boat rot...wet foam prevention.

jcsercsa

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thats why im happy that this fourm exists......:)

if my boat sinks....and we got a lake full of ping pong balls floating around....
john can get on here and tell every one ...not to do it that way :D :D[/QUOTE]

OHHH man ooops do you really think I would do that ??? hahahahahahah thanks alot man !!!!! John
 

JDowie

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So, I have pulled up my floor and found 4' long by 6" wide rectangular lenghts of foam just resting under there. I think it might be the foam that the boat was built with. (1965 16' Aluminum Starcraft). The hull and ALL of the rivets are solid. The foam was not rotted or breaking down even, but it was definitely waterlogged. I have decided my methood of rebuilding now. I will be posting pictures soon. Here's what I am going to do:

1. Use 3/4" Exterior Plywood, coated on the bottom and sides with Gluvitz, and the top with Tuff coat. That's all, no glassing. (I will also be coating all of the rivet lines and seams with gluvitz).

2. Install 4 recessed flip up handles into each of the four sections of the deck.

3. Cut Pink Foamular Home Insualtion Foam sheets to fit under the deck. Leaving about 1" of air space clearance between the foam and the deck. Then use an adhesive to attach the foam sections to the bottom side of the deck sections. This will allow drainage, air circulation, and won't leave any foam sitting in any trapped water, as the trapped water will be shallow enough to flow over the ribs and not touch the foam. (in case the rib drainage holes get plugged)

4. To figure the bouyancy of te foamular I cut a 12"x12"x2" section of foamular and put some centered home weight bench weights on it in my kitchen sink. It held about 11.5 lbs. It will take 6 of these to make a square foot of foam. So, 6 x 11.5 = 69. The foam weighs about 2lbs. So the bouyancy per square foot is 67 lbs. Better than most marine foam! I will be able to get about 850-1000 lbs of bouyancy out of it in the end.

5. Then I will screw the deck in using stainless steel hex head screw bolts along the edges. This way they wont ever strip at the heads. 1 screw every foot. Regular stainless finishing screws will be used along the middle sections.

6. The deck will be fully removable and about 62lbs. per floor section including foam, finish, seats, and wood. Total floor weight is about 164lbs

7. I will just remove and store the deck in my basement each off season. And, refinnish the surface as necessary. Also, if any foam sections do begin to rot, I will see it at the end of each season, and be able to replace the sections of foam at about $15 per section.

I will let you all know how it goes.

But, I do have one question. Does the foam actually effect how my boat floats or rides when I am not sinking?

Thanks,
Jon
 

Coors

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Re: boat rot...wet foam prevention.

#1 is overkill weight, and for it to last, poly with light cloth.
 

waterwezl

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Why not used bubble wrap??? Rolled into long tubes held together with zip-ties! If the boat goes down you could grab one as it came out of the hull and it would give you something to do until you were found!! :D

But seriously.....How much good would it do to keep a dehumidifier running inside the boat when it's covered up? Would it do anything for the sections with no venting? Just a thought.......
 

oops!

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#1 is overkill weight, and for it to last, poly with light cloth.


did coors just say poly ?:D :D :D



and water wezel.....we thought of bubble wrap its possible the bubbles will fail over time and wear....

i really think the best is the pfd's under the deck. cheap, remoavable, and 5 a side gives over 2000 lbs of float.

cheers
oops
 

oops!

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Re: boat rot...wet foam prevention.

But, I do have one question. Does the foam actually effect how my boat floats or rides when I am not sinking?

Thanks,
Jon

nope...it is just there incase the boat sinks....

however is some cases it does add structural stibality to the craft

if it ever does sink...the foam is there to keep the boat afloat so the passengers can have somthing to hold on to whilst dog paddeling :eek:
 

oops!

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lotta guys askin bout foam....so i thought id bump this
 

erikgreen

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Bubble wrap... good idea. Every time you're annoyed the fish aren't biting or there's a line at the ramp, you just pull some out and start popping. Instant therapy.

:D
 

redfury

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I can just see all the guys out on Minnetonka on a slow walleye bite....

Pop....pop....pop....:sigh:...pop....pop....pop....pop....pop....OOH!...eh, nevermind....pop.....pop....pop.... :lol:

Hey Bob, catch anything?!

Naw...you got any bubble wrap left?
 

oops!

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:D too funny....in gonna giggle bout this all night :D
 

Coors

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did coors just say poly ?:D :D :D



and water wezel.....we thought of bubble wrap its possible the bubbles will fail over time and wear....

i really think the best is the pfd's under the deck. cheap, remoavable, and 5 a side gives over 2000 lbs of float.

cheers
oops

Some people just think that epoxy costs to much, and don't know you can clean up with vinegar; going with the flow?
 

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and don't know you can clean up with vinegar;


Hmmmmmmm,........... Am I going to Learn something tonite,.....??

Please explain,..??
 

Coors

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MAS epoxy cleans up with white vinegar, before cured; I love it.
 

Silverado6x6

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Would swimming pool noodles work? If they could be used I would jump to a factory source and try to get it in panels or blocks.
 

oops!

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silver there is pics on this very thread of someone that used noodles for floatition....just start from the beginning......this is a really intreresting thread
 

seven up

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Re: boat rot...wet foam prevention.

This will allow drainage, air circulation, and won't leave any foam sitting in any trapped water, as the trapped water will be shallow enough to flow over the ribs and not touch the foam. (in case the rib drainage holes get plugged)

Hey, how's coming along ?

An old tried and true method to keep the weep holes cleared and prevent clogging is to install a chain the entire length with extra on each end to pull back and forth and clear any obstruction preventing drainage.


Enjoy
 

Mark20Twain

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I wonder if something can be made like the airbag life vests but under the deck? In the event of the boat sinking when the water hits the sensors they will deploy filling the compartment. This would help with breathing under the deck keeping it dried out till it is needed.
 

erikgreen

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Re: boat rot...wet foam prevention.

MAS epoxy cleans up with white vinegar, before cured; I love it.

Seems like pretty much any epoxy does... I use vinegar to clean my hands after working, works as well/better than the orange goop type stuff for epoxy. It also cleans tools well.

Doesn't do a thing to cured epoxy, but pre-cure it works nicely, and is non toxic.

Maybe it works because it's a mild acid?

Erik
 
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