boat with no engine ?

[sam111]

I am wondering if one can buy both lake and ocean going boats with no engine just the boat frame / hull.
How much does the hull usually cost to the engine.

Like is there a certain percentage so one knows he is getting a good deal for the boat.
For example $1 sq foot is a reasonable price for renting an apartment to calculate a price for monthly rent near me "quick estimate".
Is there some kind of percentage or some type of calculation to know if the price is a reasonable price to buy a boat.
1) is there a percentage ratio of engine to total boat cost.
2) is there a x number of dollars a square ft for a particular material boat.
3) depending on the weight of your boat is there a way to quickly determine the range of horsepower engine one would want to uses to get a target speed range ... etc
4) is there a quick way to get an upper bound on the heaviest engine you would be allowed to put in there. Or is it just the weight capacity + number of people weight/ items + engine weight < weight it supports before sinking ...

I know they say ocean boat maintenance is like 10% of the boat total costs pure year (i.e currently that seems to be a reasonable price for the cost per year or what most people say is its cost them)
That kind of sucks a little bit since every 10 years your buying another boat.

 

[Bondo]

Re: boat with no engine ?

I am wondering if one can buy both lake and ocean going boats with no engine just the boat frame / hull.
How much does the hull usually cost to the engine.

Like is there a certain percentage so one knows he is getting a good deal for the boat.
For example $1 sq foot is a reasonable price for renting an apartment to calculate a price for monthly rent near me "quick estimate".
Is there some kind of percentage or some type of calculation to know if the price is a reasonable price to buy a boat.
1) is there a percentage ratio of engine to total boat cost.
2) is there a x number of dollars a square ft for a particular material boat.
3) depending on the weight of your boat is there a way to quickly determine the range of horsepower engine one would want to uses to get a target speed range ... etc
4) is there a quick way to get an upper bound on the heaviest engine you would be allowed to put in there. Or is it just the weight capacity + number of people weight/ items + engine weight < weight it supports before sinking ...

I know they say ocean boat maintenance is like 10% of the boat total costs pure year (i.e currently that seems to be a reasonable price for the cost per year or what most people say is its cost them)
That kind of sucks a little bit since every 10 years your buying another boat.

Ayuh,..... Generally speakin',.... a hull with a Dead motor is 'bout Worthless,....

A runnin' replacement motor/ drive will run ya from 'bout $3,500.00 to $35,000.00,....
Dependin' on what it is, 'n whether new or a junk donor boat,...

 

[jigngrub]

Re: boat with no engine ?

So you already have an engine and you want to buy a new boat without an engine? Outboard or I/O boat/hull?

 

[sam111]

Re: boat with no engine ?

So the engine makes about 90% of the total cost? Or what from the sounds of this

Ayuh,..... Generally speakin',.... a hull with a Dead motor is 'bout Worthless,....

A runnin' replacement motor/ drive will run ya from 'bout $3,500.00 to $35,000.00,....
Dependin' on what it is, 'n whether new or a junk donor boat,...

It seems that the hull is very cheap to the engine so would the formula be 90% of the cost goes into the engine the rest goes into the hull/electronics?

 

[sam111]

Re: boat with no engine ?

And when you say "Outboard or I/O boat/hull?" I mean inboard

 

[jigngrub]

Re: boat with no engine ?

New or used hull?

 

[sam111]

Re: boat with no engine ?

new hull

 

[ondarvr]

Re: boat with no engine ?

I am wondering if one can buy both lake and ocean going boats with no engine just the boat frame / hull.
How much does the hull usually cost to the engine.

Yes you can buy, or have built, just about any hull you want without power. There is no magic ratio for cost, after you decide on the complete package it is what it is.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: boat with no engine ?

Yeah, it'll be a special order with a delete in price for the engine... and different engines are different prices so there's a great many variables there.

 

[81 Checkmate]

Re: boat with no engine ?

You know Sam...if you would have ask the question - Im looking into a new hull and intrested in putting my own motor in it to save a few dollers........

You would have given the people here a better chance to give the Appropriate advise for the given question.

Just saying!

Good Luck!

 

[sam111]

Re: boat with no engine ?

Your right 81 checkmate
Can we look at a quick example before this thread is over

Example
Fuel Diesel Hull Material Fiberglass
Beam 13 ft 1 in Max Draft 3 ft 8 in
Engine Make Volvo Engine Year 2014
Fuel Capacity 206 gal Length Overall 39 ft
Number of Heads 1 Holding Tank Size 16 gal
Water Capacity 50 gal Number of Berths 2
Number of Engines 2



Just want the fiberglass hull/boat not the engine . Would it just be total boat - engine in this case.
This looks to me as an inboard but the principle I would believe would hold for both in/or outboard unless the x = total - engine breaks down somewhere ?

crap they say call for prices didn't want to post this link want to only tell you the total price and the make/model of the engine. So this is the one
http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Absolute-Stl/150138641#gallery

Just want to see if the math adds up or they are trying to take a commission for saleing or something that is way out of the range if you want just the hull or just the motor ?

 

[sam111]

Re: boat with no engine ?

And dam this site C# code seems to be down for the prices for engines so I cann't get you even a guess at an approximate engine dollar amount Diesel inboard range - Engine range : Volvo Penta

This is turning into a bad example arrrrrrrrrrrrrrh

 

[sam111]

Re: boat with no engine ?

And it seems that you have to really call for a quote on prices of engines or alot of equipment / vehicles why cann't they just put the prices on the site as the car dealers place the prices on the cars ?

Another example (not a boat but in principle should follow the same math equation is)
http://www.truckhunter.com/results.aspx?breakout=heavy_duty&enginemake=Volvo&Sort=year%20desc

cost of new truck without engine = total - price of engine . (obviously this is an approx. because warranty or insurance / dmv fees will affect this but it should be relatively close approximating formula for anything more generally item with out x = total item - x should be an approximation when not talk about services/labor cost.

Don't get me wrong the labor part of the job that mechanics do they deserve every penny and in some cases more. But when it comes to raw pricing of vehicle parts the simply math formula should hold I get what I pay for in raw materials not I get what I pay for in materials with marketing/other imagery bells and whistles

Personally I think the with holding of prices or calling for quote shows either a shortage resources or a sales reps ploy to make extra money then what the raw item costs i.e raw item = raw materials + labor of manufacturing.
And labor of manufacturing "NEW" is normally alot less labor then manufacturing old/fixing
In most cases under what I have seen alot is computer operated and some day maybe completely.
Not to say the people that have these manufacturing positions won't become superior mechanics in some senses based on there experiences at the sources.

Everything starts at the sources

 

[QC]

Re: boat with no engine ?

sam,

Could you please tell us what it is you want to achieve? At this point I have no idea what you want, and what you are trying to do. The boat you cite is in Italy. Trucks have nothing to do with it. Literally nothing. Help us, and we'll help you

 

[sam111]

Re: boat with no engine ?

Basically I just want to beable to calculate reasonable prices on boats new / used and reasonable prices on just hulls or just boat engines.
So I don't get ripped off when buying

 

[coolbri70]

Re: boat with no engine ?

lots of shopping, compare prices, research prior to purchase. new - check multiple resources. used - same thing. hire a reputable marine surveyor if buying used.

 

[QC]

Re: boat with no engine ?

OK. No formula, no magic, just research as Coolbri suggests.

 

[Celtichawk]

Re: boat with no engine ?

I have to agree with others Sam, your thinking into this way to hard. " I like to call this, Nuking it!". Million dollar answer is, the sky's the limit! You got more $ than the eye can see then by all means but a brand new hull and power it with any motor you choose. No there isn't a formula to figure this out. How deep are your pockets does.

 

[sam111]

Re: boat with no engine ?

ya , that's what I was afraid to here and thought it would come to. But one would also have some mechanic contractor / part suppy cost experience or some frame of reference to base a good price or reasonable one on. I would imagine the min of the max of all things approximately equal rule.

 

[Celtichawk]

Re: boat with no engine ?

Man you just speak too technical for me lol. Keep it simple my friend and it will come to you.