Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

If you would plz,link me up to any part of the constituion that give's business or a corporation constitutional right.

http://www.corporatepolicy.org/issues/constit.htm

The U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments do not explicitly mention corporations. Nevertheless, under U.S. law corporations have obtained substantial rights through key court decisions that have established particular legal doctrines and provided corporations some of the same rights as human beings.

They can easly be confiscated

Hmmmmmmm, TG this is not the USSR under Lenin. Please read the 5th amendment to the US Cornstatution. Ya wanna start a revolution just try to do what you just stated. That is why most Cornservatives were so upset at the takings decision in 6/2005 about public domain

Umm wasnt this the statement??


They can easly be confiscated or better said the current power's that run this " business independent of any world government" just be taken out of power and replaced with better mind's, mind's that understand there true place in a economic structure.

Damm when Jack Nassar was removed from Ford there was no revolution.


Omr this is not a polictical debate for me, liberal's or conservative's have no meaning here, but after reading that link up there it almost sound's like big business is taking a lesson from the wacked out liberal 9th circut court.....you know that disgusting thing called legislating from the bench...er could be said doing business from the bench i so no difference...

By the way good morning, how's thing's up there.. i heard that milk going to hit $5.00 a gallon shortly, (oil induced) if i remeber correctly that cost a good man his job once upon a time.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Are you suggesting that Jack Nassar was replaced because of some gov't action?

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Are you suggesting that Jack Nassar was replaced because of some gov't action?

Not at all,but i am suggesting that no single person or corporation is beyond reapproach and is subject to guideline's principle's or law's

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

If you would plz,link me up to any part of the constituion that give's business or a corporation constitutional right.

http://www.corporatepolicy.org/issues/constit.htm

The U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments do not explicitly mention corporations. Nevertheless, under U.S. law corporations have obtained substantial rights through key court decisions that have established particular legal doctrines and provided corporations some of the same rights as human beings.

They can easly be confiscated

Hmmmmmmm, TG this is not the USSR under Lenin. Please read the 5th amendment to the US Cornstatution. Ya wanna start a revolution just try to do what you just stated. That is why most Cornservatives were so upset at the takings decision in 6/2005 about public domain

Umm wasnt this the statement??


They can easly be confiscated or better said the current power's that run this " business independent of any world government" just be taken out of power and replaced with better mind's, mind's that understand there true place in a economic structure.

Damm when Jack Nassar was removed from Ford there was no revolution.

TG, don't make this tooooooo cormplicated. I can tell you don't get it. Capitalism is based upon: private property, Communism n' Socialism is where the government owns everything. LLCs or partnerships or Corporate structures are merely forms of ownership of said property that are lawfully allowed, (not specifically by the Cornstatution but by subsequent laws passed by duly elected legislatures as empowered by said Cornstatution, and not overturned by the 'tyrants in black robes', [not to be cornfused with black boat anchors: TG]).

BTW: the basis for any law passed by a legislature and signed by the executive, (Govenor or President) to be overturned is the fact that it is "uncornstatutional". Cornservative or more acurately: "strick constructionist judges" stick to the written words of the actual document. Liberal Judges appointed by Liberal Democrats just make things up, (they call their Cornstatution a "living breathing document").

The protections put forth in the Cornstatution are supreme rules of law derived from "our maker", (as opposed to other forms of government that derive their powers from mere mortals: Kings, Queens or Dictators, [or their armies:TG]).

The Cornstatution prohibits seisure of private property: regardless of the legal form of ownership without due process and fair compensation. Some of the very limited circumstances where takings can occur are emminent domain situations which traditionally are for very narrow public purposes like roads bridges et al.

The Libs on the Supreme Court are doing their best to expand the governments' power to pick winners n' loosers n' take private property, (that was what I was refering to by the 2005 Kelo vs New London takings decision). Since you don't know that you and other legal entities have private property rights as protected by said Cornstatution, you will very likely give up yer property to the Queen without much of a fight, so please go to school and learn basic civics: TG. It will help us all if you know what you are doing.

BTW, TG: Oil companies, (as legally formed in our system) have property rights and protections the same as us lowly peons have. If you let Hillary do what she wants with private business: she will own you too: eventually. Please learn the system: it will make you a better citizen n' voter so we don't loose what our founding fathers' blood made possible for all of us.

If you listen to Queen Hillary's political positions: she wants to take property away from Oil companies and rich 'mean spirited' Republicans n' Halburton n' Big Pharma n' Big Tobacco n' Big Insurance n' when the market goes down Big Stock Brokerage Companies. All the rich Hollywierd folk n' rich Democrat Pols can keep all their wealth; (after all: they are good Democrats who really care about us little folk n' feel our pain).

She, (Queen Hillary) appeals to people who have a similar understanding of our system that you seem to have. They grew up going to public schools taught by wonderful union Democrat votin' teachers who fully understand all aspects of homosexuality n' teach the future citizens to be good lil' victims, but those students graduate without a basic understanding of our system or any critical thinking skills n' will gladly surender their rights that they did not know they even had.

They think just like you: TG!!! If they feel victimized by anything in life, (n' the Lord knows we all are VICTIMS of various events from time to time), then they can elect Hillary or worse: John Edwards, to take things away from the mean people or things that they have been told by the MSM caused their pain.

Omr this is not a polictical debate for me, liberal's or conservative's have no meaning here, but after reading that link up there it almost sound's like big business is taking a lesson from the wacked out liberal 9th circut court.....you know that disgusting thing called legislating from the bench...er could be said doing business from the bench i so no difference...

Yer really scarin' me TG, I hope yer kiddin'

By the way good morning, how's thing's up there.. i heard that milk going to hit $5.00 a gallon shortly, (oil induced) if i remeber correctly that cost a good man his job once upon a time.

Good luck: TG. JR

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

OK Omr here's a few tidbit's

Last year, Wal-Mart CEO Lee Scott called on the British government to take antitrust action against the U.K. grocery chain Tesco. Whenever a firm nears a 30 percent share of any market, Scott said, “there is a point where government is compelled to intervene.”

Now isnt that something Wal_Mart's Ceo asking for government intervention... Umm what do you think Exxon- Mobile-Texaco's market share is....


Now to Hilliary's little escapde

Antitrust enforcement against the A&P and other big firms like Sears prevented any twentieth-century American retailer from ever growing nearly as powerful as Wal-Mart is today. But since the Reagan Administration, the only effective constraints on Wal-Mart have been set by investors and revenue flow. Even during the 1990s, when the Clinton Administration targeted a few companies for abusing their pricing power, the Arkansas-based retailer somehow managed to avoid any action. It is unclear whether this was in any way due to the close relationship between the Clinton family and Wal-Mart, on whose board Hillary Clinton served for many years. But even as Staples and McCormick & Co. were sued, a firm with vastly more power over the American economy was left entirely free to extend its domain in whatever direction and to whatever extent it wished. In fact, in one of the highest-profile antitrust cases of the 1990s, an FTC suit against Toys R Us for colluding with toy manufacturers, Wal-Mart emerged as one of the biggest winners.

I guess big businness makes strange bed fellow huh.....


They think just like you: TG!!! If they feel victimized by anything in life, (n' the Lord knows we all are VICTIMS of various events from time to time), then they can elect Hillary or worse: John Edwards, to take things away from the mean people or things that they have been told by the MSM caused their pain.

No victim here Omr, i assure you.But when people are being forced to change there buying habit's, restrict there vaction's, lower there life style's, id say a few liberty's are being stamped on. Damm almost forgot housing and intrest rate's...... what is our growth rate .5% yet we need inflation control's now i wonder what is driving that...

And in this up coming election, we are going to probably be victimized by a certain party and a legislative landslide.. and for what big oil taking some short term capital gain's....although they are rather substansial are they not ....Hell large enough to go start there own country and rule's....

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

WELL OMR from one informed citizen to another, how's about the old Walmart Ceo crying fowl.............. ahh dude i dont dislike you, iv'e just played the game as long as you have and trust me here, never once did i have to write a memo, i just made the move's and talked the smack as they say it these day's........

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

This thread reminds me of a boomerang, it just keeps coming back.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

To summarize:
Big Oil is squeezing us like a turnip and the repubs say it's ok because we can always walk.

Big Oil is squeezing us like a turnip and the dems want to take those profits and invest mandatory gay marriage.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Glad to see that the new energy bill will have a provision to stop BIG OIL from manipulating the market & price gouging.......
Makes me glad that I voted for Maria Cantwell.......​

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Glad to see that the new energy bill will have a provision to stop BIG OIL from manipulating the market & price gouging.......
Makes me glad that I voted for Maria Cantwell.......​

Hmmmmmmmm, Now we agree that she, (Sen. MC), is rather smart, (not anything like the dim wit Patty Murry), relatively good lookin', (to old Left coast farts like us). That said: she championed strict limitations of off shore drillin' n' drillin' in ANWAR.

She is no dummy, (neither are you: Bro), so a natural cornsequence of restrictin' supply is???????? You guessed it: higher prices!!!! Now, when ya get higher prices; (that many Liberals want real bad, as they think it slows global warmin'), what do dim wit public educated people want?????? Yer right: Bro; more government corntroll, n' some fees fer a few extra bucs fer our Victim Big Government 'cause they have ta hire bureaucrats to mind the oil bidness pricin' ta see if they can get grounds ta fine the oil companies fer raisin' prices that ol' Maria actually helped cause.

OH, the best part: MORE ALCOHOL IN YER FUEL. BTW: Safeway n' Chevron do not put it in their fuel here in God's country, (State of Washington). Bet ol' Maria can change that: BRO, (look at her proposal to create new Victims). Ever pondered how stupid spendin' lots of energy to squeeze alcohol outa corn so ya can ruin yer fuel systems n' get terrible milage, n' pay more for all yer food is? I'll bet Maria, (no dummy) has figured the next set of VICTIMS who can't afford their food so she can propose a bigger government to help those newly created Victims. Now the $50.00 question: Is Liberalism a mental disorder? JR

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

BIG OIL brought the legislation onto themselves, by manipulating the market & be overly greedy......
They just couldn't couldn't control their lust for BIG PROFIT......
As far as ANWAR & off shore drilling......
There is no need for that now, & it certainly won't lower prices....
It will stay preserved right where it is, safe & sound until it is really needed.......
I'd like to see a law that says any oil product refined in the US, stays in the US as well.....
I agree that ethanol is a waste of time, though the corn growers like it & it will starve some Central American countries.......​

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

BIG OIL brought the legislation onto themselves, by manipulating the market & be overly greedy......

Yup, they didn't drill in ANWAR or off shore to increase the supply. Did they cause China n' India to increase demand so prices would sky rocket? Is that the manipulation yer talkin' 'bout here Bro?

They just couldn't couldn't control their lust for BIG PROFIT......

Hmmmmm, me thinks you lust fer BIG PROFITS TOO Bro! As a percentage of Revenues or Assetts or any other reasonable measure I bet yer profits are relatively greater then BIG OIL: Bro. Are ya gonna donate yer big profit ta BIG GOVERNMENT Bro?

As far as ANWAR & off shore drilling......
There is no need for that now, & it certainly won't lower prices....

Hmmmmmmm, Ya say more supply does not lower prices Bro? R' ya bein' cute n' gunna claim it takes years ta bring "black gold" to the market, (which is true BTW)

It will stay preserved right where it is, safe & sound until it is really needed.......

Hmmmmmmmm, can we jus' snap our fingers like magic n' we get more oil? Safe n' sound fer what Bro?

I'd like to see a law that says any oil product refined in the US, stays in the US as well.....

Well ya jus' might get zero oil extracted here if ya get yer buds n' BIG GOVERNMENT ta create enough barriers fer bidness: Bro. How would "equal protection under the law" apply here? I guess ya don't want lazy B ta sell jets anywhare but the US eh Bro? I guess our balence of trade would suffer a bit under the irrational proposals yer puttin' forth: eh?

I agree that ethanol is a waste of time, though the corn growers like it & it will starve some Central American countries.......​

I think yer pullin' yer slow Bro's chain here. That said: is Liberalism a mental disorder? JR

 

[treedancer]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Quote OldMerscrule


Ever pondered how stupid spendin' lots of energy to squeeze alcohol outa corn so ya can ruin yer fuel systems n' get terrible milage, n' pay more for all yer food is? I'll bet Maria, (no dummy) has figured the next set of VICTIMS who can't afford their food so she can propose a bigger government to help those newly created Victims. Boy JR drivers drivers walking by in this truck stop must think I’m nuts, here I’m setting here, by myself, laughing my axx off. I know its off topic, but did you ever think of getting into the comedy writhing business? Some of the things you come up with are priceless, could be on Saturday night live, or an up to date version of laugh in.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Quote OldMerscrule


Ever pondered how stupid spendin' lots of energy to squeeze alcohol outa corn so ya can ruin yer fuel systems n' get terrible milage, n' pay more for all yer food is? I'll bet Maria, (no dummy) has figured the next set of VICTIMS who can't afford their food so she can propose a bigger government to help those newly created Victims.

Boy JR drivers drivers walking by in this truck stop must think I?m nuts, here I,m setting here, by myself, leaguing my axx off. I know its off topic, but did you ever think of getting into the comedy writhing business? Some of the things you come up with are priceless, could be on Saturday night live, or an up to date version of laugh in.

Fortunately my office is in the back of the store or my clients would see the effects of Rubbers' posts, (and others) on me as well!! Glad I brought a little humor to the table to lighten yer day Mr Tree!!! JR

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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THis whole stink's quite badly,yesterday our ever so caring gov has or is attempting to mandate that CAFE std's will be increased to 35 mpg. There's only way to go from here, People will now be forced to drive there small cookie cutter car's and only those who are quite well off can or will be able to afford a vehicle of there choice.

THis has rather large implication's,such as boating for one, car's after all cannot pull 2500 lb boat's now, so when you build for big efficency......civic neon focous small car's light weight you know that's how there gonna get there.

And why so a bunch of sheik's and oil exec's can live in oppulence, dont think share holder's are going to benefit, big oil is buying there stock's back from the profit's they are getting now... and your not getting paid on that little tidbit and you should be.....

So demand is still up, yeild's are the greatest in history, big oil is buying back there publicly held company.........and were carrying it on our back's.......losing our choice's in the market place and only a elite portion of society will still enjoy what we as a country used to... Ya smell something here..... Socialism... hmmm...

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

THis whole stink's quite badly,yesterday our ever so caring gov has or is attempting to mandate that CAFE std's will be increased to 35 mpg. There's only way to go from here, People will now be forced to drive there small cookie cutter car's and only those who are quite well off can or will be able to afford a vehicle of there choice.

THis has rather large implication's,such as boating for one, car's after all cannot pull 2500 lb boat's now, so when you build for big efficency......civic neon focous small car's light weight you know that's how there gonna get there.

And why so a bunch of sheik's and oil exec's can live in oppulence, dont think share holder's are going to benefit, big oil is buying there stock's back from the profit's they are getting now... and your not getting paid on that little tidbit and you should be.....

So demand is still up, yeild's are the greatest in history, big oil is buying back there publicly held company.........and were carrying it on our back's.......losing our choice's in the market place and only a elite portion of society will still enjoy what we as a country used to... Ya smell something here..... Socialism... hmmm...

Yup, They know that investin' in more oil producin' or refinin' assets will be subject to Maria's socialist proposals or worse: Queen Hillary may 'confiscate' their profits, (with a lil' help from Libs like Maria). As a rational business person what would you do if you owned a BIG OIL COMPANY: TG??? The same thing. Buy back shares, as any investment in real structure is at real risk from Liberals n' the brilliant Democrat voters, (who are experts in all forms of Victimhood) who support 'em! Liberalism may be a mental disorder, but Business is NOT!!! JR

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

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Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2
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Originally Posted by Haut Medoc ​

BIG OIL brought the legislation onto themselves, by manipulating the market & be overly greedy......​

Yup, they didn't drill in ANWAR or off shore to increase the supply. Did they cause China n' India to increase demand so prices would sky rocket? Is that the manipulation yer talkin' 'bout here Bro?​

The prices have only skyrocketed because of market manipulation, not a true shortage......​

They just couldn't couldn't control their lust for BIG PROFIT......​

Hmmmmm, me thinks you lust fer BIG PROFITS TOO Bro! As a percentage of Revenues or Assetts or any other reasonable measure I bet yer profits are relatively greater then BIG OIL: Bro. Are ya gonna donate yer big profit ta BIG GOVERNMENT Bro? ​

No, but I don't have a monopoly either......​

As far as ANWAR & off shore drilling......
There is no need for that now, & it certainly won't lower prices....​

Hmmmmmmm, Ya say more supply does not lower prices Bro? R' ya bein' cute n' gunna claim it takes years ta bring "black gold" to the market, (which is true BTW)​

I don't think it will significantly reduce prices as long as BIG OIL has a monopoly.......​

It will stay preserved right where it is, safe & sound until it is really needed.......

Hmmmmmmmm, can we jus' snap our fingers like magic n' we get more oil? Safe n' sound fer what Bro?​

For national defense........​

I'd like to see a law that says any oil product refined in the US, stays in the US as well.....​

Well ya jus' might get zero oil extracted here if ya get yer buds n' BIG GOVERNMENT ta create enough barriers fer bidness: Bro. How would "equal protection under the law" apply here? I guess ya don't want lazy B ta sell jets anywhare but the US eh Bro? I guess our balence of trade would suffer a bit under the irrational proposals yer puttin' forth: eh?​

I see no reason for refined petroleum products to be exported, when the majority of the raw material has to be imported....​

Comparing Boeing planes to refined petroleum products is like apples 'n oranges......​

I agree that ethanol is a waste of time, though the corn growers like it & it will starve some Central American countries.......​

I think yer pullin' yer slow Bro's chain here. That said: is Liberalism a mental disorder? JR​

How is any of this Liberalism?
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[OldMercsRule]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

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Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haut Medoc ​

BIG OIL brought the legislation onto themselves, by manipulating the market & be overly greedy......​

Yup, they didn't drill in ANWAR or off shore to increase the supply. Did they cause China n' India to increase demand so prices would sky rocket? Is that the manipulation yer talkin' 'bout here Bro?​

The prices have only skyrocketed because of market manipulation, not a true shortage......​

Hmmmm, So the total demand of China n' India are insignificant in a market that is many times the size of the total out put of all American oil companies combined. Is this what they call through the lookin' glass: Bro?

They just couldn't couldn't control their lust for BIG PROFIT......​

Hmmmmm, me thinks you lust fer BIG PROFITS TOO Bro! As a percentage of Revenues or Assetts or any other reasonable measure I bet yer profits are relatively greater then BIG OIL: Bro. Are ya gonna donate yer big profit ta BIG GOVERNMENT Bro? ​

No, but I don't have a monopoly either......​

Hmmmmmmmm, The world's oil markets dwarf American Oil companies, (notice the last word was plural: Bro), yet ya call 'em monopolies. Are ya changin' the meaning of the word MONOPOLY here Bro? Liberals do that with language to trick dim wit Democrat voters ya know, (yah I know ya know that).

As far as ANWAR & off shore drilling......
There is no need for that now, & it certainly won't lower prices....​

Hmmmmmmm, Ya say more supply does not lower prices Bro? R' ya bein' cute n' gunna claim it takes years ta bring "black gold" to the market, (which is true BTW)​

I don't think it will significantly reduce prices as long as BIG OIL has a monopoly.......​

Are you orbiting Mars Bro? Nuptune then? What does the word "significantly" mean Bro?

It will stay preserved right where it is, safe & sound until it is really needed.......

Hmmmmmmmm, can we jus' snap our fingers like magic n' we get more oil? Safe n' sound fer what Bro?​

For national defense........​

Hmmmmmmmm, I guess ya think it is easy and quick to build all that structure if we let Prudhoe Bay run out??? Ya into Rolmops r' PW2s stash Bro? Can I have some to see what you see? Ever heard of the Stretegic petroleum reserve Bro?

I'd like to see a law that says any oil product refined in the US, stays in the US as well.....​

Well ya jus' might get zero oil extracted here if ya get yer buds n' BIG GOVERNMENT ta create enough barriers fer bidness: Bro. How would "equal protection under the law" apply here? I guess ya don't want lazy B ta sell jets anywhare but the US eh Bro? I guess our balence of trade would suffer a bit under the irrational proposals yer puttin' forth: eh?​

I see no reason for refined petroleum products to be exported, when the majority of the raw material has to be imported....​

Comparing Boeing planes to refined petroleum products is like apples 'n oranges......​

Comparing yer ideas to the CENTRAL CORNTROL ala Joe Stalin seems a better cornparison ta me. I guess ya really don't want ANY Domestic oil companies in this Country anymore eh BRO? That seems like a great way to create lots o' victims fer Liberals.

I agree that ethanol is a waste of time, though the corn growers like it & it will starve some Central American countries.......​

So since we both think it is a waste of time, (actually I feel it is much more then a waste of time; it's clearly counter productive and creates victims that can make great future Democrat voters). You wanna do it anyhow cause it's good fer Corn growers? Ya have an agenda fer South America?

I think yer pullin' yer slow Bro's chain here. That said: is Liberalism a mental disorder? JR​

How is any of this Liberalism?
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Liberalism favors CENTRAL CORNTROL jus' like yer proposin'. They jus' luved Joe Stalin, n' still luv Fidel n' Hugo! See the cornection Bro? (I know ya do). JR

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

OMR can you keep politic's out of the discussion, for the luv of money do you not know that big money has no party........it own's them both.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

It only took 2 years to build the Alaska Pipeline.....
ANWAR is not all that far from Prudoe Bay....
I'd wager they could have Anwar up & running in 2 years if necessary....
Anyway its the refiners who are doing most of the market fixin'....
'Course BIG OIL has their hand in it as well......​