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bekosh

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So much for the party of law and order!

I guess now we know what the President meant when he said "If any in his administration was involved in the leaking of the CIA agents name, they would be dealt with." As long as they don't implicate the VP and the President, they get a "get out of jail free" card.

Being convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice are serious felonies. Our whole legal system relies on witnesses telling the truth under oath.
So much for the legal system--I guess the legal system only works when it provides the proper outcome for your friends.

A jury of 12 people found he was guilty--a Republican appointed judge concurred with the verdict, and an appeals court (also comprised of Republican appointed judges) also concurred, suggesting the sentence was reasonable and the appeal lacked any real chance of being successful...

What else could Bush due to a dutiful and loyal subject who kept him and the VP out of jeopardy?

The whole thing is a disgrace!
You seem to have bought into the lie from the left. Libby didn't reveal the name of a CIA agent. It has been known for over a year that the leak came from Richard Armitage not Libby, but the political persecution went forward anyway.:mad:

I hate the way President Bush handled this. He should of issued a pardon immediately after the conviction came down and condemed the prosocuter for the blatent political motivation, instead he waits months to just commute the sentence and leave the conviction in place.:mad:

The only part you have right is that the whole thing is a disgrace.
 

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Aw, C'mon 12, have a heart.....:eek:
I don't want to see him executed!......:rolleyes:

If he is to be put before a firing squad, Sandy, Senator William Jefferson (D) la, Billy Clinton would have to be cleaned-off the post first.
He lied (if that), over a non-criminal topic, and is guilty of contempt if anything... Clinton pardoned 16 FALN terrorists amoung other criminals,, got away with it, Burger boy stole and destroyed CLASSIFIED documents, and he got a $50,000 fine!! And Jeffrson? Well, still werkin on that walking slimeball -- but YES, the sentance should fit the "crime".
 

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You seem to have bought into the lie from the left. Libby didn't reveal the name of a CIA agent. It has been known for over a year that the leak came from Richard Armitage not Libby, but the political persecution went forward anyway.:mad:

I hate the way President Bush handled this. He should of issued a pardon immediately after the conviction came down and condemed the prosocuter for the blatent political motivation, instead he waits months to just commute the sentence and leave the conviction in place.:mad:

The only part you have right is that the whole thing is a disgrace.

What's any of that got to do with anything? He lied to a grand jury. A jury convicted him of it. A judge (republican appointed , no less) could have overruled the verdict but he didn't. An appeals court (also Republican appointed judges) also concurred.

The foundation of our legal system requires a witness, when under oath, to testify truthfully. Lying even to investigators is called obstruction of justice and is also a felony (ask Martha Stewart, and I didn't see GWB jumping in to her defense)

So much for the notion of railing against the supposed "moral relativism" of the left, and the absolute notion of right versus wrong. That seems to have been discarded, as the primary defense offered for this sorry state of affairs has been "What you guys did was worse!)
 

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"From whence, then, does the President’s power to pardon arise? It arises from the United States Constitution, specifically Article II, Section 2. That section provides that “The President shall... have the Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in cases of Impeachment.” The President’s power to pardon is absolute. Pardons cannot be blocked or equivocated by Congress or the courts."

Maybe we should "gut" the Constitution . . .
 

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Quote bekosh

He should of issued a pardon immediately after the conviction came down and condemed the prosocuter for the blatent political motivation, instead he waits months to just commute the sentence and leave the conviction in place

Fitzgerald was nominated for the position as US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois on the recommendation of U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald (no relation) a Republican on October 24, 2001.

On July 18,2005, Fitzgerald?s office indicted a number of top aides to Democrat Richard M Daley, the Mayor of Chicago on charges of mail fraud, alleging numerous instances of corruption in hiring practices at City Hall.

Fitzgerald is investigating the administration of current Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich,a Democrat.

Fitzgerald is a career prosecutor. And is an appointee of the Bush administration.

If everyone would read the link, and read what I have just put up here, I don?t know how anyone could say that Fitzgerald is anything but an honest Prosecutor, doing the job the way it is supposed to be done.

Here is a suggestion, everyone arguing for Libby?s skating on the sentence, read this link, particularly page fourteen

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/Libby_Sentencing_memo052507.pdf

Page 14
<< and where there was an indication from Mr. Libby
himself that his disclosures to the press may have been personally sanctioned by the Vice
President.>>

Page 15
<< Finally, the suggestion that there is something unusual or inappropriate about pursuing
a prosecution for a crime of obstruction where the underlying crime is not prosecuted is a red
herring (and oddly suggests that Mr. Libby?s prosecution would not have been ?wrongful?
if only the government had brought more charges against him or others). Such perjury
prosecutions are hardly unusual; indeed, as the Supreme Court noted in [FONT=&quot]Mandujano[/FONT], our
system of justice would break down if witnesses were allowed to lie with impunity. This is
especially true where the lies at issue succeeded in preventing the investigators from
determining with confidence what had occurred.>>

Page 16
<<[FONT=&quot] IV. Conclusion[/FONT]
Mr. Libby, a high-ranking public official and experienced lawyer, lied repeatedly and
blatantly about matters at the heart of a criminal investigation concerning the disclosure of
a covert intelligence officer?s identity. He has shown no regret for his actions, which
significantly impeded the investigation. Mr. Libby?s prosecution was based not upon politics
but upon his own conduct, as well as upon a principle fundamental to preserving our judicial
 

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"From whence, then, does the President?s power to pardon arise? It arises from the United States Constitution, specifically Article II, Section 2. That section provides that ?The President shall... have the Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in cases of Impeachment.? The President?s power to pardon is absolute. Pardons cannot be blocked or equivocated by Congress or the courts."

Maybe we should "gut" the Constitution . . .


What's your point, QC? I have not heard anyone argue that the Pres doesn't have the authority to pardon --only that it was unwise, self-serving both to himself and and the VP, and disingenuous to the American people and the reasons we got into this war in the first place to do so.
 

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Tree,

Wait, I just need to get this on the record. You believe that the Rose Law Firm Billing records were actually under the marital bed of Bill and Hillary the entire time? You believe this? Seriously? For 3 years? In the White House? I mean this is exactly, EXACTLY, the same thing you hold others up to. It isn’t like he lied in a written deposition, tractable, in writing, with time to consult notes, lawyers, colleagues, friends, etc. I thought liberals were all about equality?

Quote Tree:

You ask about the bills the Democrats have put forth in 6 months, good grief man, the Dems will need more than 6 months to get over the carnage that this band of fools have caused in the last six years, takes a bit of time. You follow that up by suggesting It must be socialist/communist inspired to be fiscally responsible, to pay as you go, really bizarre.

And thank you for all those examples (not even one) of debt reduction by the socialists/communists. Just one. Even a little one? One baby, tiny, buried, hidden, measurable, legislative action to reduce the future destroying Federal debt. I mean these are the people who can go to enemy nations and work out foreign policy? Where is the beef? Now if you would like examples of continued escalation of reckless spending well let me know, should take 10-15 seconds to find the scores of pork and social engineering expenditures. Where are all the left wing posts about the debt recently. I guess it just went away...

Consistency? Or just partisan politics? Marc Rich and wife gave how much to the Clinton Library/Gentlemans club?
 

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What's your point, QC?
It was supposed to be a snotty, sarcastic, nyah-nyah type comment . . . :p Initially I was gonna say if you didn't support Clinton's impeachment, then you are inconsistent, but decided not to be so argumentative. Also, I was honestly curious as to the origin of the Presidential pardon, so I looked it up . . .
 

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That's just Neocon SOP, Haut. Can't defend the present? Change the subject and/or dig up the past. :rolleyes:
 

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Pointer post #8
Starts diverting/deflecting with this ?Quote(It isn't like he jammed classified documents down his shorts.)

Pointer post #22 ?.this is the post that he introduces big foot as will as the loch ness monster. Quote. ( just keep a sharp eye peeled for bigfoot and the loch ness monster )
pointer post#35

Introducing Sandy Burglar to the thread


Pointer post #49

Enter Marc Rich and the Clinton library?.Quote(Marc Rich and wife gave how much to the Clinton Library/Gentlemans club?)

Ok now that we got the diversions out of the way lets answer some of you questions about the topic of the post??don?t seem to be anything to answer about the topic of Libby?s Pardon/commuting of sentence.


Seems you have nothing to add to this topic, perhaps you can start a thread on some of the above topics. I must say not to familiar with the Loch Ness monster or big foot though.
Be glad to discuss any of the other, if you want to start a thread on it, of course If you have anything to add to this one and I can add anything to it will be glad to have a go at it.
 

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That's just Neocon SOP, Haut. Can't defend the present? Change the subject and/or dig up the past. :rolleyes:
Defend him/deshmend him -- I want to congratulate him and Libby. :D
Yayes!! And what a outstanding past to dig in. :)
I'm enjoying this emmensely
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Only a liberal couldn't understand. But continue to prostitute your values for the likes of the democratic (socialist/communist) party. The funny thing is you can't even see it.

Hide all you want, deny everything, but the truth has a way............

I can see this pardon hurting Hillary's campaign. Just an added bonus. Just another Marxist having to face themselves in the light of discussion of current events. Sweet.
 

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That's just Neocon SOP, Haut. Can't defend the present? Change the subject and/or dig up the past. :rolleyes:

I just want to make sure I get this right willy. So anything that happened in the past, that has a comparison to the topic is wrong?

I mean it's not like I went went back 20 or 30 years. I compared this to the last President, ya know, slick willy (is that where you get you name from?), who pardoned FELONS. Scooter was not pardoned, in case ya missed that.
Seems to me that you libs love to bring up Nixon, now that is digging in the past. Remember your words, I know I will.

And where was the subject changed willy? I'm so sorry to inform you, but 99% of the time it is the libs who try to change the subject when faced with the FACTS,the right as not done that is not the case in this thread.
 

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Perhaps a little refresher!!!! It just wasn't that long ago!!!!

Clinton administration officials indicted


Ultimately, Independent Counsel Smaltz s investigation of Agriculture Secretary Espy, has resulted in 14 indictments yielding 2 convictions, 3 guilty pleas, 4 acquittals, 3 companies paying enormous fines, and 3 defendants awaiting trial or retrial.

In the tenth major probe into high level Clinton appointees, the Justice Department has opened an investigation into whether or not Labor Secretary Alexis Herman was involved in a scheme of influence peddling during ?94-?96 when she was a White House aide. The seventh independent counsel of the Clinton era will investigate influence peddling and corrupt campaign fundraising allegations against Labor Secretary Alexis Herman. In response to these allegations, President Clinton remarked, "I don t believe that for a minute."


Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker was indicted on three felony charges of making false statements and conspiracy to defraud the United States in the Whitewater venture. Later, 11 new counts of conspiracy, wire fraud, making false statements and misapplying funds are added. When Clinton loyalist Judge Henry Woods dismisses the original three-count indictment against Gov. Tucker, independent counsel Kenneth Starr files an immediate appeal. Tucker is eventually found guilty of fraud in connection with the failed savings and loan institution and faces 10 years in prison and $500,000 in fines. After Tucker's resignation as Governor, Lt. Gov. Mike Huckabee replaced him.

Clinton's partner in the Whitewater venture, Jim McDougal, was indicted on 19 counts of conspiracy, mail fraud, making false statements and false bank reports, and misapplying funds. McDougal was found guilty of fraud in connection with the failed savings and loan institution. Jim McDougal was serving his 3 year sentence for bank fraud at the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center in Texas, a facility operated by the federal Bureau of Prisons for inmates who need medical attention. Just prior to another round of testimony before Kenneth Starr's grand jury, Jim McDougal suffered a heart attack while in solitary confinement, which may have been brought on by the diuretics forced on him.


Huang, a former U.S. representative of the Asian conglomerate Lippo Group, despite assertions of having avoided any contact with any Commerce Department matters involving Lippo, apparently violated federal conflict-of-interest laws by joining the administration's Indonesia Advocacy-Financing Working Group which dealt with projects involving Lippo. Huang aggressively argued for a new U.S. trade policy toward Vietnam only one day after joining the Commerce Department in July 1994, and pushed the issue for 17 months while the Lippo Group sought to expand its business in Vietnam. (The Washington Times, 12/12/96; 11/27/96)
While still at the Commerce Department, Huang traveled coast to coast to raise money for the Democrat Party and brought in more than $150,000 in donations before he formally left his senior Commerce Department post, according to records obtained by House investigators. Political fund-raising by federal employees is prohibited by the Hatch Act. (The Washington Times, 2/19/97)

A bipartisan letter from the House Government Reform and Oversight Subcommittee on Regulatory Affairs on March 21, 1995, charges the Environmental Protection Agency and its administrator, Carol M. Browner, with violating the federal Anti-Lobbying Act by faxing unsolicited material opposing the Republican-sponsored regulatory reform package to various corporations and public-interest groups.
Senior Advisor, Bruce Lensey, as treasurer for the Clinton gubernatorial campaign in 1990, signed withdrawals from Perry County Bank, the president of which has pled guilty to conspiring to conceal these withdrawals from the IRS and FEC.


Filegate
On June 6, 1996, The Los Angeles Times reported that the White House sought confidential FBI background documents on fired White House Travel Office chief Billy Dale. The next day, the White House admits it ordered FBI files of more than 330 people, including dozens of Republican leaders, saying it was working off an "outdated list" of people who had applied for access to the White House. Eventually it is discovered that about 1,000 people's FBI files were obtained by Clinton officials.

One of those people whose FBI file was obtained by the White House was Linda Tripp, who blazed onto the national scene when she released to Independent Council, Ken Starr, secretly taped conversations she had with Monica Lewinsky about the sexual conduct of the President. Tripp's connection to FBI files also include her witnessing fellow employees copying FBI files onto White House computers when she worked in the Clinton White House. (The Washington Times, 9/4/98) Tripp is also at the center of conspiracy theories involving Vince Foster?s suicide. Tripp had worked in the early Clinton administration in 1992 as executive assistant to Bernie Nussbaum, then the White House counsel. Tripp first surfaced in the original report on Foster?s death by former independent counsel Robert Fiske. Fiske said in his report, that Tripp was the last person to speak to Foster before he committed suicide. It was also Tripp who provided testimony on what happened inside Foster?s office after word of his death surfaced, again leading to questions of impropriety.

Tripp also is the original source of information regarding Kathryn Willey?s reported claim that Clinton had kissed and fondled her, claiming to be the first person to talk to Willey after she left the Oval Office.


On the 9th, White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta offers a public apology for the White House's obtaining the FBI files: "Mistakes were made. It is inexcusable."
President Clinton later offered a direct apology and calls the FBI files controversy a "completely honest bureaucratic snafu."
FBI Director Louis Freeh said on June 14, that he and his agency were "victimized." He also says that the White House acquisition of the files represented "egregious violations of privacy."
The Washington Post reports on the 16th, Secret Service officials say the tracking system they used for White House passholders could not have generated the supposedly outdated list that the White House claimed it used to request FBI files on the now more than 400 former passholders.
White House places personnel security office director Craig Livingstone, directly responsible for obtaining the FBI files, on administrative leave.
House Government Reform and Oversight Committee begins hearings on FBI file affair on June 19th. Livingstone tells officials that the office holding the files was often left unsecured and that people with the lowest level security clearance were allowed access to the room. ABC News reports that Livingstone himself did not get proper security clearance until more than a year after he began his job as head of security.
Attorney General Janet Reno calls on FBI to expand its probe to determine how and why White House obtained files on former Reagan and Bush administration staff members - later she reverses her earlier call for the FBI to lead the inquiry, and announces that Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr should investigate how the White House acquired the FBI files in an improper manner.
New documents on June 25th, show that a total of more than 700 FBI background files were improperly obtained by the White House.
Craig Livingstone resigns from the White House staff on June 26th.
Anthony Marceca informs the Senate Judiciary Committee on June 28th, that he is taking the Fifth Amendment and will not answer any more questions concerning the White House acquisition of FBI background files.
The diaries of the **** Morris' call girl, Sherry Rowlands, noted that Mr Morris described Mrs Clinton as the prime mover in the scandal when confidential FBI personnel files on leading Republicans were taken to the White House and scrutinised by political fixers. "It was Hillary," Mr Morris replied when Miss Rowlands asked who was to blame for the scandal. "She ordered them. She's a paranoid lady; she did it."

Co-President, Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton became the first first lady to testify before a grand jury when she was subpeonaed by the Whitewater grand jury.

Took a $100,000 bribe, camouflaged as futures trades, from Tyson Foods Inc.
Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing legislative reform of same.
Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira Magaziner in Health Care trial.
Obstructed justice by ordering the shredding of Vince Foster's documents in the Rose Law Firm.
Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred documents that were the target of a court probe.
Ordered the removal of documents from Vince Foster's office and told aides to lie about their removal of documents.
Obstructed justice by keeping her billing records, a document sought under subpoena, in the White House residence.
Lied to investigators about her knowledge about billing records.
Lied to investigators about her involvement in the Castle Grande land flip con.
Ordered the use of the FBI to discredit Travel Office employees.
Lied to investigators about her involvement in the firing of Travel Office Employees.
A Federal judge orders a trial on July 25, 1994 to determine if Hillary Clinton's heath care task force illegally operated in secret.
The White House finally releases more than 2,000 documents on June 25, 1996, relating to the travel office firings, originally requested two years prior by congressional investigators

There is so much that the board won't let me post it all. Check the link...

http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/clintcrimefamily.html
 

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And even tho this issue is not actually about Clinton, Jefferson, Barry, Berger, Kennedy, Murtha, or Brown, I am just happy Bush did SOMETHING to keep Libby out of the hole.
A full pardon is still possible in the near future from Bush.
The only thing that would make me happier about all this (other than a pardon), would be a full-scale investigation of the prosecutors/inquistors in the whole plame case... Including Plame.
 
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