calling all lake mead boaters! nevada

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jjacobs007

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I like the idea of warning each other if we find dangerous conditions just under water...More than once I have just missed rocks just under the surface..



this is a great idea. i too have just missed many of rocks and even hit one once.i broke off the blade that was bent with vice grips and slowly made it back.thankfully i can say the kickback on tilt worked great. no doubts about that anymore.
 

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I like the idea of warning each other if we find dangerous conditions just under water...More than once I have just missed rocks just under the surface..
I have been thinking about jj's suggestion and struggling a little bit. Hear me out . . . What I have always said about Mead is that underwater obstructions change almost every week. If the water is retreating or advancing, what was safe yesterday may not be safe tomorrow and visa versa. So if you give someone a bunch of GPS coordinates you could actually mess them up, or unnecessarily clutter up a GPS.

Here's what I think, and what I do. First if you see a particularly dangerous obstacle, one that may be hard to see, or in a pattern that makes it likely to hit, I mark it with something that floats that I can spare to lose. I carry some fairly heavy cording that I can cut to length, and I may use an old fender or a gallon bleach bottle type thing (needs a tight lid). If there is nothing to tie too, I use a craggy rock to weigh it down. This method would be more common to sections of the river, but I have done it at Mead and Havasu quite a few times. Obviously this takes some work, but I actually pick up stuff I find on the water, and keep it aboard if it will make a good marker. The best setup is something that will survive when the water covers it, and then reveal itself again when the water drops. No perfect way to describe that, but you get the point.

The other thing I do I have posted about a lot. I survey shallows at the beginning of every new trip. Say the start of a long weekend or even a single day trip. When I leave the marina I look for some shallows along my route. I see "color" (whitish green) and slow down and deliberately float over it out of gear as I stare at my depth sounder. Then I make a mental note "that greenish color I saw equals 30 ft." Then I try a brighter or duller "color" and do the same. And make a similar mental note "that much brighter whitish color equals 5 ft., danger Will Robinson!"

This is dependent on weather so maybe I do it again if the weather/light changes significantly. Also, it is important to note that underwater growth can significantly impact the color thing. Damned thing is that vegetation will make it darker and could be the biggest concern. The really hard stuff is almost all white. Just look at the bathtub ring around the lake ;)

For the same reason, I have never really understood saying at Mead. "oh It's down another 10 ft. this month, so I am not going. Too many obstacles." There are new obstacles no matter which way the water is headed. So if you marked them on a GPS, the situation is different within a month most times of the year. I could see doing the GPS thing if I was Houseboating, and I decided to keep her beached in Mushroom, and I wanted a clear exit out so I could go to Temple Bar in the dark. Which I would do. But that doesn't help me next year unless the water level is exactly the same ;)

Not intended to dampen anyone's spirit in doing this, but just the thoughts I have had swirling around the last couple of days :)

Edit: Obviously boating in the dark changes this deal. And the GPS marked obstructions would help. Somehow they need to be dated though . . .
 

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OK, then when we give gps lets add dates to them. we will know if the waters up or down and have a idea how to change patterns like fishing.
Marking something with a floating jug is a good idea too! but this takes a lot of work for the average boater. not to mention that someone will remove it by mishap.

But if i go out tommorow and mark a spot with gps, its safe to say that if you go in 5 days from that day this spot still exist to some danger zone.

Lake mead changes but its never too dramatic for this to work if we post correctly.not to mention these will be good fishing spots if they go deep.

For example= type in danger and gps and date. then when we leave to go fishing or cruising we can search danger and date and see whats the news. this takes work but i think it will prevail.

So dont search something from 1997 if your going out tommorow lol,this will eliminate falsies
 

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That works ^^^ :)
 

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Cool. Are you going to start another thread for this?

One thing to add, remember that GPS coordinates can be off by 30' so I assume you're really only talking about hazards that are not in the normal realm of where we look, like near shore. You're talking about hazards out of the normal caution zone, like more than 100' from shore.
I don't have a fish finder, so I don't normally carry a GPS on the boat. Pretty much everyone at TBar are familiar with the landmarks and cove names around the area, so we just let each other know to "watch out for the shallow rock on the left side entering Monkey Cove" or whatever it may be.
 

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A good friend of mine, who also happens to work for me, just inked a place at TBar! Party time is in the crystal ball for sure :party:
 

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Ahhh SWEET!!! Now we have 2 places to crash while out at Tbar... (Just leave the key under the rock and we'll promise to re-fill the beer fridge :lol:)

Out of curiosity, what's the lot rent/lease out there at Tbar?
 

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Ahhh SWEET!!! Now we have 2 places to crash while out at Tbar... (Just leave the key under the rock and we'll promise to re-fill the beer fridge :lol:)

Uh oh..you know about the rock? :D

The space averages out over the year to about $350/mo including all utilities for us. Larger units and those who leave the ac on in the summer (turned down of course) run a little more obviously.
 

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$350/mo isn't bad. Do most people out there run AC or swamp coolers?
 

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$350/mo isn't bad. Do most people out there run AC or swamp coolers?

Most run swamp coolers and cover them in the winter. Some run both. We are one of the few and the proud that run AC only :cool:

We have an old fridge in the shed that came with the unit that runs year round, but surprisingly enough doesn't cost much to run. The thing has to be 40-50 years old, but runs like a top and never skips a beat. It's amazing how the newer ones aren't designed to take a beating like the old ones, and the most important thing is that it can be 115 outside but my beer is ice cold and the mountains are dark blue!
 

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hi guys! just getting my bearings done on trailer for summer,, had a blast trying to replace those races.the old ones were really bad the back seals werent even on anymore so you can imagine the grease on the back sides of my rims..its gonna cost me 60.00 to replace them all plus grease which i have already.anyone else doing projects to your boats for summer.I am also installing dim yellow lights up on the bow section so i can see my cigs and beer and most importantly lures with sharp treble hooks that didnt find there way back into the tackle box.
 

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I love old appliances....They were simple and lasted forever...I retired after 35 years appliance repair with GE....New stuff sucks..
Most run swamp coolers and cover them in the winter. Some run both. We are one of the few and the proud that run AC only :cool:

We have an old fridge in the shed that came with the unit that runs year round, but surprisingly enough doesn't cost much to run. The thing has to be 40-50 years old, but runs like a top and never skips a beat. It's amazing how the newer ones aren't designed to take a beating like the old ones, and the most important thing is that it can be 115 outside but my beer is ice cold and the mountains are dark blue!
 

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I love old appliances....They were simple and lasted forever...I retired after 35 years appliance repair with GE....New stuff sucks..

Congrats being retired. I'm still getting tired the first time :). Now you don't have much of an excuse not to be on the lake memorial weekend!
I think Temple Bar Days is that weekend as well, but since the consessionier isn't sponsoring it any more the trailer village association has to, so I'm waiting on an update to see if we're still having it. I'll be on the lake regardless...and it'll probably be even less crowded in that area of the lake than normal with the absence of a gas dock at Echo, unless we have more people trailering there
 

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Does anyone know if you can still use the campground at echo bay? is there anything open there at all like the stores or lodge?
 

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Does anyone know if you can still use the campground at echo bay? is there anything open there at all like the stores or lodge?

Hey jj

It's my understanding that you will be able to use the campground since it only requires a host and it's not part of the concession package.

Everything on the water - slips, fuel dock, store, etc. are all closed and being removed since the contract wasn't filled in Dec. '12. The lodge, restaurant and bar have been closed for some time. Everything else on land, including the trailer village, is up for adoption right now and if a concessionaire doesn't take the contract by 1/31/13 it will all go away as well and all that will be left for traveling boaters will be a ramp - just like South Cove. :blue: Imagine how a boater will feel when they head there unknowingly from Boulder Basin and need fuel to get back! :faint2:
 

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i will gladly give them my gas if it helps. so sad this is happening and for the people in overton too,it hurts us all. what can we do to help? I realize in todays economy and visitors theres no traffic there but if they had just a mooring station there gas and a place to get tacos lol it would be bettter than nothing,then again i wonder how much it costs to move the boats that are moored there when the water changes even if without power and water to them how much would it cost to keep the trained people on hand.
 
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... how much would it cost....

That pretty much sums it up. In these tough times it's not profitable enough to make it work out. Well, look at the bright side..there's a really nice bridge on the road in and a nice launch ramp :cool:
 

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Well, look at the bright side..there's a really nice bridge on the road in and a nice launch ramp :cool:

seems like your making funny humor somehow of this. possibly aimed at the dwl.

we need a launch ramp at goverment wash seriously.
 

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seems like your making funny humor somehow of this. possibly aimed at the dwl.

we need a launch ramp at goverment wash seriously.

huh?? :confused:

Sorry if you misunderstood me brother..I'm just looking at the bright side of the whole situation and commenting on a bridge and ramp that was very nicely done IMHO, that's all... Look how nice South Cove ramp is, and there are no services there.

I don't foresee a ramp improvement, i.e. lengthening, at Government Wash with the funds low as they are. Hopefully the water comes up before the funds go down any more..:cool:
 
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