Did I break the rules by calling defunders "traitors"?

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18Rabbit, (who could not contain his anger, or remain cival with me), sugested I "start a new thread".. Here it is.

This is going to be a long-winded post, addressed to the general membership regarding an open appology I may need to make. It's long-winded, but i hope those with "short attention spans" hang in there.. It's not that difficult. And I sincerely ask for input.

A short time ago, I opened the "thread that broke the camel's back" for me on many levels. I called any and all of those who openly undermine America's role in the war on terror "TRAITORS". This is not the first time I called-out the enemy in this open forum. They are. And remain so, IMO.

Perhaps I should've kept it to myself, but I am very opinionated, as many of you know, and fealt I had to do what i had to do.
It ended-up with some namecalling from those who obviouslly side with the defunders they elected.
I guess after listening to some of these elected officials "defunders" is a polite way of expressing what they are, as my term for them is "TRAITOR" -- a term that got me in hot water with JB and perhaps the other mods.

After expressing my appologies within "his thread" for angering him, I went on to express that it was not my intent to anger anyone, or relieve myself in anyone's cheerios.
I cannot ,however ,apologise for calling the wanten defunders of this war we are in "traitors", as I personally believe they are, as defined by Merriam Webster's dictionary.

I never called anyone WITHIN this forum a traitor, BTW. But I DID call the gubment droogies that represent their (those who took offense) desire to pull-out, and to do the work of ala, by spreading only the "news" that destroys coalition efforts "TRAITORS" and "THE ENEMY"..

Stories of Abu Greib, "Torture by CIA agents", "remenicent of Gengis Khan" becomes blatent propaganda in wartime, as many of you already know! The names (Kerry/Sheehan/Raines) change, but their efforts remain constant. They want anarchy. I will not stand idly-by and let that happen. I'll at minimum speak my mind ,while I can!!


If you mean no harm, 12Footer, then apologise for calling those who disagree with you traitors, and don't do it any more.


I'm sorry once JB. I cannot apologize for "calling those who disagree with {me} traitors".. I never did call anyone here a traitor,albeit, the shoe fits real well!

The dictionary defines traitor (this is getting old) as: "one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty"


Did any member here "betray {MY} trust"?
Nope -- bu8t their droogies in office have.. BIG-TIME!!!
It's obvious to WHOM i was refering. Is it not? Sure the "majority" of this forum may have voted for these horrible traitors, but it's a REAL stretch to assume each and every one of those misguided souls wants to seek American defeat in the war on terror, as is the majority of the signataries to that treasonous document (Non-binding resolution to capitulate to terrorism).
Merriam also defines "traitor" as 2 : one who commits treason"

Did 18rabbit or anyone else here commit treason?
Nope.. But they surely voted for those who IMHO HAVE, given their obvious mission to serve their masters by spreading anti-American, Anti-coalition ONLY cut-n-pastes. Not a peep from them about the Iraqis taking control of their own sovereign government again.. Nothing about the wins.. Just the defeats!! It makes me sick!
Not to speak my mind about it, but to sit here getting carpel tunnel DEFENDING IT, is simply not possible for me.

I live close enough to SW Florida Regional Jetport to be in the flight path of commercial aitrliners taking-off and landiong (abt 5,000ft). This time of year, T&L's are about 1 minute appart. I've always been fascinated by flight, and don't mind. But I am constantly reminded of nancy Pelosi's demand for one of these monsters of the air as her very own "air force-two", and I get queezy -- because I also see the very type of aircraft that was flown into the WTC, Pentegon, and a Penslyvania field, only to come in here, and read some PUKE regergitated by the minions of nancy degrading our troops, and incidentally, their moral and mine!
I can only shake my head in disgust when instructed to "apologise", because I cannot legally kill the enemy ( "the Enemy" -- ANOTHER term I get into pisssin contests with this distinguished forum over!!!!).

Hmm..It would appear that SOMEHOW, I broke the rules. I'll not have that. I will probably do so each and every time the topic of treason and enemy propaganda (as I see it) is raised. I do not break rules when I am cognizant of actions that may lead to that happening. IOW, if I DID break the rules, I will continue to do so if I stick around.
Gotta prevent that, so I openly-ask JB or any moderator to show me what rule I broke.
If I did, it will not happen again.
 

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But I am constantly reminded of nancy Pelosi's demand for one of these monsters of the air as her very own "air force-two", and I get queezy -- b

Oh you have got to be kidding me............... It was suggested to her by our very own national defense. I don't think she needs that big of a plane, but it wasnt her idea to begin with.............plus if it was a republican in place of her I highly doubt you neo cons would make such a deal of it.

Now I don't agree at all with withdrawing troops, nor do i agree with defunding. Personally I think the problem is we have had our foot half in the water the whole time. We have been partially commited and losing money and lives the whole time. We should have increased troop levels a long time ago. IMHO

 

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No, 12Footer. You didn't break the rule about attacking individual members, but you did inflame another member into doing it by demonizing those in Congress who talk about defunding.

Listen to our President. He respects the opinions of those who disagree with his decisions. He calls them loyal, patriotic Americans. He listens to their proposals and the proposals of many, then decides what to do. That's what we elected him to do: make hard decisions.

If they fail to persuade him they accuse him of not listening. Not listening and not agreeing are not the same thing. That's politics.

Remember that those you call "defunders" are doing exactly what the people who elected them trust them to do: Get us out of the war in Iraq anyway you can. They think it is the right thing to do.

While we agree that they are wrong, they are not cowardly traitors. They are just wrong.

Angering them with name calling is the worst possible way to change their minds.

BTW, what is with this weird version of the reply area?
 

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JB said:
....BTW, what is with this weird version of the reply area?

Maybe this software is getting ready to self-destruct?
 

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I dont notice anything weird in the reply area.....what am I missin out on?
 

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OK I don't label anyone on this forum a traitor or my choice of terms: the enemy within. Those labels are public people: mostly elected officials or those in the media, NOT ANYONE ON THIS FORUM. JB: George Bush is a politician and ALL OF OUR PRESIDENT. He must be civil. He calls Islam the RELIGON OF PEACE! Do you believe that for even a nano second? Civil discourse is always my objective. Thank You: IBOATS. Respectfully, JR
 

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Well, yes, OMR, I do. It is at least as much so as Christianity.

People interpret their religion in various ways; some peaceful and passive, some evangelical, some warlike.

Several entire civilizations have been destroyed in the name of Christianity. Some radical Muslims seek to destroy western civilization in the name of Islam. It isn't the first time.

That doesn't make either Christianity or Islam a warlike religion, but they could both learn something important from Judaism.

The "If you aren't like me you must change or be destroyed" syndrome is a syndrome of man, not of religion.
 

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Quote 12footer
I'm sorry once JB. I cannot apologize for "calling those who disagree with {me} traitors".. I never did call anyone here a traitor,albeit, the shoe fits real well!


The dictionary defines traitor (this is getting old) as: "one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty"

Under that criteria I guess that if convicted, Scooter Libby would be a traitor for outing CIA agent Valerie Plame . Or if it is proven that he is falling on his sword to protect someone, the people that he is covering up for are traitors also.

Just to head off anyone coming back to me and saying that she wasn’t really a covert agent. Read this link first.

http://www.alternet.org/story/23691/
 

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That was the most pathetic article I have read in a long time. I have to say that by proclaiming all the real journalists were pointed out to be just "wrong" was pure genius. Excellent work. After reading that almost 2 year old article I am speachless Tree.
 

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OK JB. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I do not buy into the "it's all relative" argument: Christianity is just as bad as Islam. I use critical thinking, (not that you don't), and review both history and current events to reach a, (what I consider thoughtfull) and different conclusion. Both religions have dark and light moments in their long histories. Islam was spread with the sword and Christianity was spread with the word, (gospel). That is one, (not minor IMHO) difference. Islam's golden age ended about 500 years ago at a social/scientific peak much greater then "Western civilization" at THAT POINT IN TIME; and has devolved since that time. Christians were brutal in their response to Muslim brutality during the Crusades, and the Spanish were brutal during the "Inquisition", and when they devastated the "New World" in Central and South America. That was "men not religion" and a very long time ago JB! The Christian "Reformation", (I was raised a Lutheran), was also very brutal, but: modernized Christianity. That has NEVER happened with Islam, (that is why seventh century tactics flurish today without significant condemnation IMHO). Slavery was ended in the Western, (non Muslim, [which still allows significant amount of slavery]), world due specifically to: Christianity. Our wonderfull country was and is founded on Judao-Christian concepts that modern secular Libs want to erase and deny. Who or what concept endowed you and I with OUR RIGHTS JB? How many Christians intentionally kill inocents by commiting suicide in the name of GOD JB? I guess we can disagree and still remain cordial and maybe even: friends. Hope so! Thanks for the thoughtfull reply JB, Respectfully JR
 

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JB said:
No, 12Footer. You didn't break the rule about attacking individual members, but you did inflame another member into doing it by demonizing those in Congress who talk about defunding.

Listen to our President. He respects the opinions of those who disagree with his decisions. He calls them loyal, patriotic Americans. He listens to their proposals and the proposals of many, then decides what to do. That's what we elected him to do: make hard decisions.

If they fail to persuade him they accuse him of not listening. Not listening and not agreeing are not the same thing. That's politics.

Remember that those you call "defunders" are doing exactly what the people who elected them trust them to do: Get us out of the war in Iraq anyway you can. They think it is the right thing to do.

While we agree that they are wrong, they are not cowardly traitors. They are just wrong.

Angering them with name calling is the worst possible way to change their minds.

BTW, what is with this weird version of the reply area?

Pretty good response. Dems are trying desparately to do SOMETHING but defunding is likely an idle theat.
 

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Quote 12footer
I'm sorry once JB. I cannot apologize for "calling those who disagree with {me} traitors".. I never did call anyone here a traitor,albeit, the shoe fits real well!


The dictionary defines traitor (this is getting old) as: "one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty"

Under that criteria I guess that if convicted, Scooter Libby would be a traitor for outing CIA agent Valerie Plame . Or if it is proven that he is falling on his sword to protect someone, the people that he is covering up for are traitors also.

Just to head off anyone coming back to me and saying that she wasn’t really a covert agent. Read this link first.

http://www.alternet.org/story/23691/

Hey Tree: Libby is not on trial for outing a covert agent! JR a li'l fact ya might wana cornsider!
 

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artburr said:
JB said:
No, 12Footer. You didn't break the rule about attacking individual members, but you did inflame another member into doing it by demonizing those in Congress who talk about defunding.

Listen to our President. He respects the opinions of those who disagree with his decisions. He calls them loyal, patriotic Americans. He listens to their proposals and the proposals of many, then decides what to do. That's what we elected him to do: make hard decisions.

If they fail to persuade him they accuse him of not listening. Not listening and not agreeing are not the same thing. That's politics.

Remember that those you call "defunders" are doing exactly what the people who elected them trust them to do: Get us out of the war in Iraq anyway you can. They think it is the right thing to do.

While we agree that they are wrong, they are not cowardly traitors. They are just wrong.

Angering them with name calling is the worst possible way to change their minds.

BTW, what is with this weird version of the reply area?

Pretty good response. Dems are trying desparately to do SOMETHING but defunding is likely an idle theat.

Yes ART! It is spelled DEFEAT at any cost. They are invested in the corncept, as they seem ta think we as Americans want that. Sure hope they don't as I'm pretty sure you don't. Respectfully, JR
 

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Facts, Since when does the Libby thing have anything to do with facts. And if the left can twist reality allowing them to call our President a liar, I can't see much difference in calling our Socialist democrats in congress traitors.. I mean they can defund the war at any time, but that clearly isn't what they are trying to do. One thing they are not doing is supporting the troops. I think calling our troops nazi's during a time of war, is traitorous.
 

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Valerie Plame was not "outed" she was not covert; no laws apply
 

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Her husband outed her first; read the papers
 

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Coors said:
Valerie Plame was not "outed" she was not covert; no laws apply

Facts are not important to some here: Mr. Coors! JR
 

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"Scooter" still lied to the grand jury......;)
String 'em up!......:)
 

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To 12 , I'd say you call it as you see it. The libs will stop at nothing to lose the war in Iraq and I belieive the war on terror as well. They don't have the guts or what it takes to defeat what we are up against. They would rather run with their collective tails between thier legs.

Quote JB: "BTW, what is with this weird version of the reply area?"

I now have the emoticons in a box on the left side. Don't care for it.
 

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Quote pointer94

That was the most pathetic article I have read in a long time. I have to say that by proclaiming all the real journalists were
pointed out to be just "wrong" was pure genius. Excellent work. After reading that almost 2 year old article I am speachless Tree.


<< Below is testimony presented by former CIA analyst Larry C. Johnson on July 22, 2005 in hearings held by Senate and House Democrats on the national security implications of the Rove CIA leak.>>

<< Another false claim is that Valerie sent her husband on the mission to Niger. According to the Senate Intelligence Committee Report issued in July 2004, it is clear that the Vice President himself requested that the CIA provide its views on a Defense Intelligence Agency report that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium from Niger.>>

<< It was Karl Rove who told Chris Matthews, "Wilson's wife is fair game.">>

The only thing that I see as pathetic is the actions of Libby, and his boss, in outing a covert agent after not getting the backing to go into a war that they were determined to get .

As for the two year old posting, look at the headlines of the last week where there not talking about “Anna” you just might see something about a trial going on concerning Mr. Libby.

Here’s another little snip.

<,So where are we? The President has flip-flopped and backed away from his promise to fire anyone at the White House implicated in a leak. We now know from press reports that at least Karl Rove and Scooter Libby are implicated in these leaks>>

Quote Omer

Hey Tree: Libby is not on trial for outing a covert agent! JR a li'l fact ya might wana cornsider!


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<<Or if it is proven that he is falling on his sword to protect someone, the people that he is covering up for are traitors also.>>
 
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