Did Iraq have WMD?

[jimonica]

Re: Did Iraq have WMD?

QC wrote,<br /><br /> "I have also described myself as one big ball of inconsistency, so donut holes have always been a favorite of mine . . . "<br /><br /><br /> QC you are absolutely correct there! Remember my comparisons about the Nazis? Thank you, Thank you, QC.

 

[KRS]

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A conservative media (snicker), I don't think so.

 

[gafteci]

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Thanks Jimonica – You da man!!! (and I mean it this time!! right kagee? )<br /><br />You backed up something I said earlier on this thread that I thought most people skipped over. Here it is:<br /><br />

The fact that Saddam had chemical weapons wasn’t enough to persuade the American people to war, so the White House had to come up with the “nuclear solution”. I think the WH clearly lied to America and the World, and as a result over 2,300 American service men and woman have been killed and over 17,000 wounded!!!!

Plus, I’m happy that you read the link about Media Bias. QC couldn’t read it because he saw immediately that it was that truth and he knew if he kept reading his eyes would burst into flames!! <br /><br />Instead, he posted a link to a “ study ” that stated that Media was liberal. I showed him what the Bastion of the Liberal Media (The Wall Street Journal) thought of the study and how the authors were right wing hacks (see earlier post). He couldn't bring himself to answer me about what The Wall Street Journal said. Plus, he said that he doesn’t read anything that is cut and pasted. Just stickin’ his head in the sand. <br /><br />Jimonica – Keep on keeping on! Hope the floors turned out good! <br /> <br /><br />Peace and Love

 

[jimonica]

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QC wrote,<br /><br />"Ownership having "conservative economic agendas" makes that report immediately biased." <br /><br />If you would have read far enough you would have read the explanation for the "conservative economic agendas" statement.<br /><br />Quote;<br />"As a result, the news almost completely ignores corporate crime, as well as pro-labor and pro-consumer issues." As a matter of fact, the lions share of the article was spent explaining that statement and quite convincinly at that. <br /><br />QC wrote,<br /><br /><br />"The other one at least tries to use an objective, mathematical approach. Starting with an assumption that you must be conservative to want to make money is absurd and naive at best, more like entirely stupid . . ."<br /><br />I tried finding any quote that had that kind of reference without any luck QC. Maybe you should do a little more C&P so we know what your talking about. <br /><br />QC wrote,<br /><br /><br />"These discussions are mostly about our opinions."<br /><br />Although I really do have interest in other peoples opinion on certain issues, if they can't provide some basis of fact for that opinion than that's where they lose me. So C&P is helpful along with links etc.......

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Man, I'm feeling left out!<br /> G & J have done such a fine job that it's all over but the cryin'...... <br />Nice links G, you have left them wriggling in the crushing grip of fact & reason..... <br />Ya got 'em on the ropes now! ...JK

 

[QC]

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jimonica, poking fun at myself is not an opening . . . That's not even sporting. I actually responded that you had a point with the Marxist stuff, but of course I qualified it . . . When I say inconsistent, by the way, I mean things like: I am a risk taking, safety freak. I think piercing little girls ears is wrong, but all of my boys are circumcised.<br /><br />I'll go back to that link and read it and I agree that C & P is sometimes necessary to prove a point, but I get bored quickly . . . My naive/stupid comment was concerning the same "conservative economic agenda" thing. It's the conservative equals economics thing that is troubling, not the press being driven by economics and how that impacts their reporting. Just stating that is an indication of bias. I will reread, but a conservative would never say that, and a liberal who does is stupid.

 

[jimonica]

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QC wrote,<br /><br />"It's the conservative equals economics thing that is troubling,"<br /><br />You see QC, its statements like that that makes it so difficult to have a conversation with you.<br />Not only do I not know what that means, but I don't know where you got that from. A little C&P would definately help here. <br /><br />Now I know your probably dealing on a much higher intelligence level than I, so have patience and help me out here. Or maybe your trying to get me chasing a red herring, while we forget that gafteci provided a link to a conservative newspaper (WSJ) that totally ripped apart your proof of a liberal media.

 

[QC]

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No I'm not trying to get you to chase anything.. I have to read it. Plain and simple.<br /><br />It appears to me though that the point made by the studier is that the media is biased actually towards a conservative agenda because they are driven by economics, soooo by default they must be conservative. If that's not it, then I appologize for wasting your time, seriously. I will read it, but I am going boating and not gonna think about it 'til Monday. Yeah, baby, yeah.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Hmmm, a cruel but effective comeback....<br />When all else fails, use the boating card <br />I would attend but I fear there is too much anchor rope in possesion of the other attendees ....<br />Have a good one! .....JK

 

[jimonica]

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QC wrote,<br /><br />"It appears to me though that the point made by the studier is that the media is biased actually towards a conservative agenda because they are driven by economics, soooo by default they must be conservative."<br /><br />I see what you are attempting to do hear QC and what a devilish mind you must have. The article was quite lengthy and went into much more detail than the one sentence in which you attempted to dismiss it. <br /><br />Your the one that made the leap that economics "by default must be conservative". If you really want to get philosophical about it there is a lot of issues in life that comes down to economics, but that doesn't mean conservative.<br /><br />The point of the study is that media ownership is so concentrated by a few multinational corporations that we aren't getting the full spectrum of the news. We have editors and heads of newsrooms censoring any stories that may shed the parent company in a bad light for fear of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion. At the same token they're also careful not to print or air any subject that may be deemed controversial by their sponsors for fear of losing advertising dollars. To try to assert that meaning into conservative equals economics shows you've missed the whole point or maybe your just trying to muddy the waters a little.

 

[rodbolt]

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doesnt matter, fact is Iran can now launch in 20 min. we need to bomb/invade them and we need to do it NOW, what do ya need? mushroom clouds in new york?<br /> now that Iraq is quelled and the nuke threat averted from Iraq its time to keep rolling.<br />we can move troop rotation to every 4 years and reinstate the draft.<br /> just think of the economic boost as a side benifit.<br />and we can use Iranian oil to pay for it as well.

 

[Kalian]

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Good to see you posting again, 12 footer!<br /><br />Wow, we've strayed a bit! I have a lot of catching up to do. I have been really busy lately, my brother came up to visit for the weekend,(arrived thurs) and my job has kicked into high gear.<br /> I did want to say a few more things on the original subject, maybe I can do that tomorow. I don't have much time, but I wanted to say something about the whole media bias issue. I think it's obvious to those who are big enough to admit it that the media leans to the left. I see a lot of posts that point to conservative leaning or (favoring) articles as proof that the media is balanced. But those articles are few and far between. Ever hear of "the token black"? That's the equivalent of the right leaning articles. Ten or twenty left wing point of views with an ocasional right wing point of view thrown in. This is especialy evident during elections. <br /> Another thing I've noticed is the length of time the articles are alowed to circulate. The left wing points of view are put out there day after day after day. The right wing point of view is seen in one or two broadcasts and thats it. A case in point would be the huricanes. Shortly after katrina came through I saw a news article stating that there was a recuring weather patern in the ocean that was very predictable. It mentioned that this warming cycle would continue in a predictable patern, causing increasing number of huricanes, with increased intensity. It also stated that this patern had nothing to do with global warming. Well, that article disapeared quickly, and a week or two later the same network was reporting that global warming was causing the huricane season to be more productive, with stronger storms predicted. There are plenty of other examples out there, you only have to open your mind. You spinmeisters out there can spin as long as you want, but you can't tell me the sun rises in the west when I can see it rising in the east. You can't convince me that the left is right and the right is left. You can't convince me that good is bad and bad is good. I don't care about your harvard studies and your twisted statistics that prove apples are oarnges and oarnges are really apples. I know what an apple is and I know what an oarnge is.

 

[ztim]

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Ok rodbolt. I understand about hitting Iran. And I can see lengthening deployment time. But let's not get it wrong this time.<br /><br />Make it for the duration like WWII. Have Congress declare war and enact the draft once again and for the love of God let the generals run it.

 

[bootle]

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Originally posted by Bondo:<br /> I'm willing to Wager the Everything I Own,.........<br /><br />That SOMEDAY,.......<br /><br />What Was in Iraq,....... Will be Found in Syria..................

And what makes ya think that the syrians would want to have Iraq's WMD's ? Iraq had destroyed their WMD's because they could not afford the cost of its up-keep during the ten years of sanctions prior to last war.<br />The problem was Sadaam did not provide the necessary proof needed to avoid war, the idiot thought that he could bluff his way out, well we certainly showed him, did'nt we?<br />The Syrians who were never friends of Sadaam's Iraq have their own WMD's i'm sure, afterall they have been busy buying much of the same crap from the Europeans, Russians and Chinese.

 

[Skinnywater]

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Darth said;

"The Syrians who were never friends of Sadaam's Iraq have their own WMD's i'm sure, afterall they have been busy buying much of the same crap from the Europeans, Russians and Chinese."

I like the way you think.

 

[rodbolt]

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so we invade Iran and use the irainian oil to pay for invading syria, donalds gonna have to burn the midnight oil planning this one, I just hope the Rumsfeld invasion plan is at least as brilliant as his iraq plan.<br /> as long as the actual war college trained strategic planners get fired,again, I am sure the rummy plan will be as spactacular as the Iraq plan he used. as well will be seen as liberators again ,with roses tossed in front of the humvees, I am gonna invest in roses.

 

[Bondo]

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The Syrians who were never friends of Sadaam's Iraq

I based My belief on the fact that Both were Baathist Regimes,+ Everybody from Sadam's government, as well as the bulk of His Family fled to Syria.........<br /><br />And,....... What Renegade Regime would say No to a Bunch of Truckloads of FREE Weapons........

 

[rodbolt]

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yea, and next think ya know the syrian Navy will row over and use rubberband catapults to lob nukes at new york city.<br /> what are we waiting for? smoking slingshots and mushroom clouds?<br /> its way past time to invade.

 

[bootle]

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Originally posted by Bondo:<br />

The Syrians who were never friends of Sadaam's Iraq

I based My belief on the fact that Both were Baathist Regimes,+ Everybody from Sadam's government, as well as the bulk of His Family fled to Syria.........<br /><br />And,....... What Renegade Regime would say No to a Bunch of Truckloads of FREE Weapons........

The fact that they were both Baathist meant very little, other than they were both disgusting dictatorships.<br />Sadaam is a sunni, the Assad's are allawites, there has never been any common ground between the two, except for their hatred of Israel.<br />The bulk of Saddam's family and close relatives fled and took refuge in Jordan, one of our so called allies, where they remain to this day.

 

[txswinner]

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JB, I see you name me in your attack even though I have not remarked in a week. No problem for me because if you read what I write eventually it may cause you to THINK.<br /><br />WMD, no way, we were told by W that he knew where they were and that were positive they existed. NO WAY they could simply disappear with our satellite survellance capabilities.