Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

gmcjohnny

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

brian your compression should be over 100psi it also sounds like your carbs could be cracked on the brass tubes in float bowl which was a common problem in the XP 100's check them again if there cracked carbs need to be changed theres no fix for that the cause will be bogging down
 

waterinthefuel

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

I was fixing to say our 150XP runs perfect and it's got over 100psi on every cylinder. 90 seems low 55 is scary.
 

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

Originally posted by gmcjohnny:<br /> brian your compression should be over 100psi it also sounds like your carbs could be cracked on the brass tubes in float bowl which was a common problem in the XP 100's check them again if there cracked carbs need to be changed theres no fix for that the cause will be bogging down
Well, at least that gives me something to shoot for. I still need to pull all plugs and check compression again. I got those readings with all plugs in, but the one I was testing. <br /><br />As for the carbs, is this something easily seen just looking into the carbs?
 

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Your compression isn't that low but if they were all around 90 I would think you would be fine then we could look to ignition but since you've got one at 55 then thats a red flag. Maybe spray some decarb in that cylinder and let it sit overnight then do compression test. We need to figure out why that cylinder is so low first. All else is a waste of time if you have a blown cylinder..
 

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Originally posted by sikpnter:<br /> Your compression isn't that low but if they were all around 90 I would think you would be fine then we could look to ignition but since you've got one at 55 then thats a red flag. Maybe spray some decarb in that cylinder and let it sit overnight then do compression test. We need to figure out why that cylinder is so low first. All else is a waste of time if you have a blown cylinder..
I'll try that. I think I'll also try to decarb the entire engine one more time, this time I'll make a double batch of the fuel mixture, so I'll be sure to have enough to finish. After that if the compression doesn't come up more, I'll spray some of the mixture in the cylinder and let it set overnight. I can see the top of the piston and there aren't any pits, so to me that's at least one bonus.<br /><br />Here are some other findings...<br /><br />Compression with all plugs pulled, throttle open with a snap-on gauge. (only hesitation is the adapter is maybe an 1/8" +/- shorter than the plug lengths) #1 is 92psi, #2 is 84psi, #3 is 96psi, #4 is 87psi, #5 is 96psi, & #6 is 60psi. #1, #3, & #5 are all on the starboard side, with #1 being the top piston.<br /><br />There is some oily residue at the bottom of the exhaust cover, looks like it's been accumulating over a period of time. Not sure if it's anything to worry about, but figured should mention it. I don't see any other signs of leakage anywhere else on the motor or heads.<br /><br />I looked into the carbs and don't see any signs of cracks and it is obvious someone has worked on them at one point or another. The previous owner said he had them rebuilt 2 years ago.<br /><br />The prop spins freely, both direction, in neutral. When in gear pushed forward, the prop spins both directions when a fair amount of force is applied and I can feel the engine turning over and exhaust coming out. When in Reverse, the prop feels tight, then it turns, then tight, then it turns. Does this in both directions. Kind of a catch, release, catch, release, if that makes sense. Not sure if that's how it should be, but that's how it is.<br /><br />And yes, the pulse for the fuel pump is off of the #6 cylinder, which is the one with 60psi.<br /><br />I also have the torque specs on the head, but don't have the bolt pattern if anyone has that, until my manual gets here. <br /><br />Thanks again...
 

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

Master dont turn in both directions while in gear cause you may damage waterpump if turned backwards. The bolt pattern should be on the head with #s under every bolt, follow the numbers when reinstalling head. #6 is still the issue here.
 

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Originally posted by sikpnter:<br /> Master dont turn in both directions while in gear cause you may damage waterpump if turned backwards. The bolt pattern should be on the head with #s under every bolt, follow the numbers when reinstalling head. #6 is still the issue here.
OOhhh, ok, I won't do that again then. I didn't turn it much, just enough to feel pressure.<br /><br />Yea, I know #6 is still the issue. I'm hoping it got a bit better, but maybe that was just because it turned easier without all the plugs in. <br /><br />I didn't see the bolt pattern but will look again.<br /><br />As for soaking the #6 piston, would you buy a certain spray, poor some straight seafoam in there or seafoam mixed with gas and oil?<br /><br />Once again, I really, really appreciate all the input!!
 

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

I think you're waisting alot of time....pull the head and inspect the cylinder and piston.<br />We can't see the ring lands, but we can tell how serious the problem really is...
 

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

If you're very lucky, you may find a blown head gasket. If you're not, you'll be in for a PH rebuild (cylinder damage). It's still important to find the cause for the 'nothing above idle' deal. If you don't, you may wreck a new PH. Follow walleyehed's advise ... pull the heads (you can leave the covers on). Then you can inspect the bores for damage.
 

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I'll get that head pulled in the next day or two. Part of my hesitation is just making sure I can get a new gasket in town. If I have to order one online, then the time wasted this weekend doesn't matter much. <br /><br />I agree the head probably needs pulled, I just want to learn as much about all of this as possible and not rush tearing into stuff that doesn't need torn into.
 

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If you find a torn up hole, you won't be needing a head gasket ... the rebuilder will. You might want to post pictures of what you find.
 

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Originally posted by WildeOne:<br /> If you find a torn up hole, you won't be needing a head gasket ... the rebuilder will. You might want to post pictures of what you find.
That may be true, but I'll likely be the one doing a majority of any work that needs done and if it isn't anything major, I don't want that cylinder sitting open for long. <br /><br />I'll get some pics posted when I get it pulled.
 

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Don't worry about the cylinder being open...it's open to atmospheric conditions even with the head on.....open exhaust, intake etc...<br />Use wide masking tape and cover the holes if you're woried about it and put the hood back on.
 

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Well, my boat is currently outside and I live off a dirt road, so dust is my main concern. I will have a gasket and manual here in the morning, so I'll pull that head tonight if weather permits.<br /><br />I know I'm jumping the gun, but depending on what I find how hard are these things to rebuild with new pistons, bearings, etc.? The shop can't get me in for 2 weeks and they want $3500 for a complete rebuild! Like I mentioned earlier, I've rebuilt several 2-stroke Jet ski motors, but I hear outboards are a different beast. What makes them that way?
 

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If you find bad, check this site for rebuilt PH's. Looks like ~ $3K and they're usually available quick. Guaranteed, also. Way faster than DIY, plus no learning curve. If you've never rebuilt one, in a hurry and learning don't work very well. I think you'll find just setting a new PH up properly will be enough learning.<br /><br />In any case, make absolutely sure you know the cause of the failure, not the symptoms, or it will likely happen again!
 

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How do I know which PH I have? It looks like Evinrude have a couple that are in the 1986 year/150 HP range.<br /><br />It looks like there is a 60*, 90*, crossflow, etc...
 

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

Your 1986 150XP is a 90 degree Crossflow. The 60 degree eagle looper engines did not come out until the early 90's. You may want to consider keeping your heads. Good XP/GT heads are like gold. Dhadley will be able to tell you by the part number on the back of the head if there the good ones. I'm to the understanding that the XP/GT heads are the big difference between the regular V6's of that vintage and the XP/GT versions. If my memory serves me correctly the good heads are casting#'s 332544 and 332545. Good luck.
 

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

I'll try to find a number on them and see. <br /><br />Thanks for letting me know what motor, I want to make sure I get the correct manual and gaskets, if there is a difference.
 

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Re: Evinrude XP150 not accelerating

You haven't pulled that thing yet? My hell! :)
 

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Originally posted by sikpnter:<br /> You haven't pulled that thing yet? My hell! :)
Nope, not yet. Haven't really had the time Since Monday. I planned to mess with it that evening, then again last night, but something keeps coming up. Hopefully tonight.
 
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