Not true, especially Motorcraft. Same applies for Delco. They have different standards. Can't speak for MOPAR and the imports.<br /><br />If it's good enough for the maker of the engine, that ACTUALLY HAS TO WARRANT IT, it's good enough for me. If there ever is a problem, there will be NO questions.Yep, you just pay more for one made by one of the major filter companies (possibly fram!) with a different paint job. No OEM makes their own filters.<br />
They're all contracted out to the major filter manufacturers. There's no reason to pay more for a filter just because it has the OEM's name on it, as I said before there are good filters for under $3 at walmart. Pretty much anything but a fram is a good filter...Originally posted by DJ:<br />Not true, especially Motorcraft. Same applies for Delco. They have different standards. Can't speak for MOPAR and the imports.
Might this be a reflection on the quality of their motor oil as well???Summary for Amsoil filter.<br /><br />This filter appears to have very good filtration media and very good flow.<br /><br />Details <br /><br />This filter has solid construction with a robust center tube with perforations and coil spring. It is the best flowing filter in the group of 50 µm average largest pore size filters<br />
DJ is all over this. The other guys have no reason to care. Even if some are made by the same guys(most are), the spec is usually unique. Still, the point is the other guys have nothing to gain by making a good "will fit" filter. Their margins go down and they don't sell any more . . . The OEM would prefer your car keeps running. It's really pretty simple.Originally posted by DJ:<br />If it's good enough for the maker of the engine, that ACTUALLY HAS TO WARRANT IT, it's good enough for me. If there ever is a problem, there will be NO questions.Yep, you just pay more for one made by one of the major filter companies (possibly fram!) with a different paint job. No OEM makes their own filters.<br />
Granted.<br /><br />Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br />As far as a manufacture not caring about their OE parts performance, that's unqualified opinion. Ticking noises, oil pressure problems, leaks, and outright failures surely isn't something a manufacture tolerates from any oil filter.
This is true.<br /><br />Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br />Parts that fail prematurely surely will cost the manufacture plenty in profits.
And this is definately true. No question.<br /><br />But doesn't this:<br />Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br />There is currently ample evidence of inferior parts that cause problems that ultimately force a manufacture to extend it's warranty period. This action costs much more than the $.02 it saves on a cheap filter.<br />The average engine lasts much longer than 150k...
contradict the previous assertion?<br /><br />The manufacturers are concerned with profits. This includes profit on the cars and trucks they sell today, but also on their reputation to keep customers next year, three years from now. But the major concern is having the vehicle and all of it's parts provide satisfactory service through the warranty period. After that, they don't really care, it's no longer their responsibility. Unqualified opinion, as a professional I have some qualifications, as well as hard learned experience in the daily fight to make my customer's vehicles reliable for another year.Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br />Manufactures and Dealerships have enough problems and hardly tolerate problems created by cheap inferior parts.
If you want to use one that is barely sufficient, be my guest.<br />The only "street test" I or the topic starter might need is the 30 plus years of spinning them on and off, touching, smelling, feeling, seeing, hearing, fixing, repairing, maintaining and by coming to my own qualified conclusions based on actual experience.<br />Literally thousands of filters of every shape, size, design, make and cost.<br /><br />Actually the lubrication system is evaluated as a whole. The filter being the cheapest part of it is the most important. <br />It wasn't that long ago most manufactures had severe camshaft and lifter problems due to lubrication issues.<br />Today many manufactures have problems with sludging, another lubrication issue.<br />Then there is the issue of longer commute times and conditions that now qualify as "severe duty".<br />This is a lubrication consideration.<br />Furthermore, there are issues that are confusing the consumer regarding extended maintenence intervals, more lubrication concerns.<br /><br />The major cause of a filter coming apart inside mainly comes from an old filter that is long overdue to be changed. It is usually clogged with debris and oil pressure pushes against the clogged media and ruptures it. An OE has a greater threshhold to resist this failure.<br />It's not a very pleasant thought to have that media plastered against the oil pump pick up screen. An oil change doesn't remedy it.<br /><br />I suppose your arguements regarding bean-counting, personal opinion, or the urge to just plain argue might to some trump what I bring to this question.....but it might not to the topic starter.As a former auto mechanic who is still very much in tune with the auto industry, I have NEVER seen an engine lubrication failure that was caused exclusively by any particular brand of oil filter.
Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br />If the filter media ruptures, how will it become plastered to the oil pump pick-up screen? The oil flows from the sump in the pan, into the oil pick-up tube through the pick-up screen. Then it flows intot the oil pump, out of the pump into the filter(typically) out of the filter (through any cooler) into the main journals and the cam journals throught the repective bearings. So how will the filter media get back into the oil in large enough pieces to collect in the pick-up screen? Bearing clearances are typically .001-.005". The filter media would have to flow through the oil passages, through the oil holes in the bearing inserts, through the oil clearances between the bearing inserts and the cam/crank.<br /><br />Doesn't make sense.<br /><br />But the cost/liability analysis by Pointer is dead on. The only way you can dispute his post is if you simply refuse to accept the cold, hard facts. The bottom line is the only consideration. The second, third owner are not of concern to the manufacturer, they don't make any money on them. The only customer consideration the OEM's ahv eis the first customer. And that consideration goes no further than keeping them content through the warranty period so they buy another NEW vehicle.It's not a very pleasant thought to have that media plastered against the oil pump pick up screen. An oil change doesn't remedy it.<br />