I feel bad for Rush

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 11, 2003

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Oh .. hes not in pain? Jeeze, my injury was 16 years ago and still hurts like hell, I just naturally figured he was still on em I dont understand, when I was going thru the back pain all I wanted to do was sleep, those **** things knock me out, then when the kidney stones kicked in, I couldnt sleep unless I had them, but **** did I sleep a lot, more than I have in a long time, I usually only sleep a few hours, but I was rackin out for hours and hours and hours, then pain would wake me and I would take more when I first went in the hospital they gave me something intravenously, something close to morphine and another drug, pain killer (ill have to ask Liz when she wakes up), enough to knock a mule flat they said, and I was still in pain doc came back, how ya doin Ray, still in pain doc, wtf? he drew up more stuff and said you pain is about to go away I FELT this stuff hit my viens, slam into my brain INSTANTLY dizzy ... Liz, bless her soul was right there with me, baby, put the bars up on this thing I felt like I was physically whirling around, kinda cool once the bars were up, I didnt know if I was going to pass out or not, didnt want to crush anyone in the process of doing so, lol but I tell ya what that pain was GONE and if those stones come back, as they likely will, back on percs ill go PS whats the paper azzhole mean, lol, a kazoo fart? LOL

Columbia · Oct 11, 2003

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Ray, I'm sorry your hero is taking it in the shorts but he has earned his money kickin a$$ and taking names and what goes around comes around. He's engaged in criminal behavior which he has successfully hidden, made criminals of others around him, and, I repeat, the drug dealers he's been buying from are selling to someone's children as well as Rush. He has, by engaging in illegal drug buying, supported criminals and maybe even terrorism. Just because he's a rich white guy and doesn't have to stick up 7-11's for drug money doesn't make him any less guilty.

SS MAYFLOAT · Oct 12, 2003

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Gee guys, We all put our pants on the same way, but then after that we are all different. If it wasn't for the sciene of medicine, our lifespan still would be shorter than it is now. Due to this, our retirement has been pushed further out of reach. A good way for our government to collect taxes on us longer. Is there a difference between a drug addict and and drug abuser? I say yes there is. A person with chronic pain is going to be an addict. I feel there is nothing wrong with dealing with pain meds if it allows the person to continue a quality of life. This will let them to be of service to our society. Drug abusers are those that have the need for the drugs just for the high. These abusers do not contribute anything to our society except for spending our tax dollars on rehab, jail, public defenders and such. With Rush it is very understandable that he has chronic pain in his back just as many others in our society. Doctors do get investigated on over prescribing lethal amounts of narcotics over a long term. To protect their license, they are basically forced by law to stop their prescriptions to patients. Until those that do not have to deal with chronic pain, you should remain silent. You do not know the suffering that one goes through. You won't know what it is like when your doctor says he can't prescibe a certain med that helps you enjoy day to day living. All he can do is prescibe something else that may be ineffective because you were taking a med that was the strongest on the market. So now the new med is ineffective, what are you going to do if you can't get what works? Stay at home laying in bed having someone care for you because someone says there is a limit on how long you can be on a medication. As always Rush can be right along with being wrong. It is up to your opinions on what you think. I only use meds when they are prescibed by the doc. If it wasn't for them, I couldn't feed my family and take care of their needs. That is what they are there for. Just my opinion.......SS

12Footer · Oct 12, 2003

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He was and still is my hero too. But you spin the wheel, you takes your chances. Then you live with it all somehow. It don't werk too well on a human level,by yourself iether. Sometime the pain is that bad. Add the fact that the pills are addictive for other reasons (not the case with most BP or acid reducers BTW, and to compare oxicontone with Diovan is absurd), and you have a double-whammy that even ElRushbo is powerless to fight for very long without higher help. It's the way we are built, coupled with physical efects of the meds (the ones the docs perscribe pain killers to help with), that keeps the courthouses, unemployment lines, doctor's offices, and drug rehab centers full and in buisness. There's also the fact that these poor schumks' misfortune is another shmuck's Porche, and the drug laws are fought, allong with any potential solution. This Sunday, as I head out the dooor to church (a relatively new experiance for the ol 12Footer), I'll keep Rush in my thoughts and prayers, allong with those here who expressed thier own painfull mornings. It seems to help me with my own,when I ask for the strength to face the day.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 12, 2003

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lets see, my blood pressure is managed by three different pills taken twice a day, I guess I am an addict too, haul me off to jail my cholesterol is managed by a pill a day,I guess I am an addict too, haul me off to jail ny diabetes is managed by two pils a day,I guess I am an addict too, haul me off to jail my diabetes related microcirculatory insufficiencies are managed by two pills a day, I guess I am an addict too, haul me off to jail my electrolyte imbalances are managed by two pills a day, I guess I am an addict too, haul me off to jail in a related note, my renal insufficiencies are managed by two pills a day, I guess I am an addict too, haul me off to jail Silly as hell, right? but for Rush to have pain managed by x pills a day, HE IS AN ADDICT TOO, DRAG HIM OFF TO JAIL

note the bold words - I was engaging in a little satirical exercise in the I am an addict too rant Flathead says Rush is out of pain, and in a purely recreational drug user mode, if that is the case, then he needs a rehab center - hell with jail, they are full enough, save room for the scumbag DEALERS, youll never contain all the users but if hes in some pain, well, heres a thought gang, he has to speak for a living, and speaking with force can cause a spasm, so can coughing, sneezing, bad back guys on the boards will adamantly agree with me on this, you good back guys, quietly count your blessings! But Rush is Rush, character or characature is always a subjective call in the eyes of the beholder personally, I think its neat how all the liberals say, Rush is always saying this and that and gee, if ya know what hes saying, I guess yer listening to him ::evil laughter:: keep listening, youll see the light! (by the way, since yer good buddy bill sold the missle plans to china, they are now going to land on the moon, I guess dropping a bunch of mushroom makers wont be a big deal!)

SoulWinner · Oct 12, 2003

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Sorry Neumans, I've been busy building a model Booth Bay Lobster boat, didn't mean to bail on you. So lets go see what's behind your garage

I have suffered some back injuries. Had a 70# box fall five feet hitting my face just as I looked up. Then had a 1998 Explorer slam the back of my 4Runner, he was doing 70, I was sitting still. I had some real pain in my neck and lower back. Nothing helped, and after battleing alcohol for years I was too scared to go for pills. A paxil a day is it for me, and I will be off that one day. As for my back problems, they went the way of this disease I had called Raynaud's Disease. There is no cure and no treatment for it, yet I was healed of it. I did a lot of study on healing in the bible, and prayed. Then one day I noticed that I no longer had any of the symptoms of Raynaud's when it was cold, then I noticed that my back didn't hurt any more. I credit the Healer Himself with my recovery from these problems. "With His stripes we WERE healed." I learned to accept that on His terms, and when I reached the understanding of what His terms are, I was healed. No joke. Yes, this is for real. For those of you in pain, remember, "the fervent effectual prayor of a rightious man availeth much." May God richly bless every one of you

Columbia · Oct 12, 2003

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My final post on this overposted opinion piece, I'll try to be clear about my opinions and knowledge. I worked a while in alcohol/drug rehabilitation with adolescents as well as having addicts in my family. Seen way too many addicts, heard their lies, their excuses, their rationalizations to let it go for anyone. Addiction is about interlocking drugs and receptors in your body and/or biological processes. It's about the ambient habits associated with getting/taking the drug, too. Addiction is beyond blood pressure, it's about NEED, body need and mind need. I NEED that drug just to function and the more I take it the more, the more I get used to it, the more I NEED it and to not have it means WITHDRAWAL and PAIN, sometimes physical, sometimes psychic, almost invariably unrelated to medical usage. It is the NEED that goes on when the original usage has long since passed by. Even those druggie bums you so lament who take drugs to get high and rob and steal and murder.....they too started drugs to relieve their pain, perhaps more likely the pain of abuse or loss masked as partying or just getting high, just experimenting. (Example: typically teen agers start smoking to look cool or grown up. They become addicted to nicotine initially for "social" reasons that are about their psychological pain of not fitting in or feeling small or an outsider.) The point is that no matter why a person gets addicted to drugs, once they ARE addicted, then come the lies, deceit, the manipulation of others to continue to abuse their drug(s) of choice. On top of that are the folks that are enablers who make excuses for the druggie and help them to stary addicted. Drug addicts will hurt you or anyone that stands between them and their drug. And by buying illicit drugs from dealers of whatever ilk and whatever their social standing, they actively support the net of drug crime that is facing America today.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 12, 2003

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Just like Dr James A Corea said SW, backs will heal themselves, my back is only unbearable if I abuse it or move the wrong way, but since I know what way that is, I dont move that way too often! old sailor, kudos to you, you hit it right on the head, and he is addicted, no doubt, I am merely trying to differentiate between pain relief and pain pills, to say someone who is in REAL PHYSIOLOGICAL PAIN, is an addict because he avidly seeks relief, hmmmmmmm Well, lets let this one die an overdue death, but I say it looks like its ok to feel empathy for Rush, which was the original post

Ralph 123 · Oct 12, 2003

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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail You can't teach a man what he thinks he already knows.

FLATHEAD · Oct 12, 2003

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Ray you still dont get it. I too have had dealings with addicts, actually I live under the same roof as an recovering addict. Read this again Ray (quote) I NEED that drug just to function and the more I take it the more, the more I get used to it, the more I NEED it and to not have it means WITHDRAWAL and PAIN, sometimes physical, sometimes psychic, almost invariably unrelated to medical usage. It is the NEED that goes on when the original usage has long since passed by. As I stated before Rush has a problem and it has nothing to do with pain at this point. Yes Ralph we know you are the expert on every subject.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 12, 2003

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I truly do understand the interdependance issue, jeeze, I better, cause most everything available in thie area is drug rehab work, I was going to do my practicum at SODAT, with is a drug rehab center down in Deptford. So yes, I really do know what you mean, the drug is an opiate, which is among the most addictive, and addicts need the drug as desparately as a heroin addict guess my life as a counselor will be spent hearing a lot of what you and the old sailor already hear too much of, lol, of course I did grow up in an alcoholic house, cases of beer and booze every week, lol, every week we would go to the liquor fair and get returnable cases of Black Label, and a case of 4 half gallons of blended whiskey but they werent alcoholics! lol

Ralph 123 · Oct 12, 2003

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Nope never claimed to be. Not even close. Just try to limit myself to things I am fairly confident about. Pain happens to be one of them. I happen to suffer from a condition that causes a number of people to take their own lives each year. I had the head of a world famous clinic tell me to try not to kill myself as oyher patients have. Not all pain suffers heal. Not all pain is the same. Not all people who need pain relief are addicts. Life is a lot less black and white. SS made the case better than I can. Thanks for the shot across my bow though Flathead. It is greatly appreciated. Th next time I watch a family member die a slow painful death and beg me to shoot them I'll be sure to tell them they cant have any pain relief becuase they are really just an adict who want it for kicks. Better yet, I'll have them give you a call and you can explain to them why the doctors won;t do anything but watch. I knew I should have stayed away from this subject.

FLATHEAD · Oct 12, 2003

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Sorry you feel that way Ralph. There really is a difference between an addict and a guy dieing from a terminal disease needing meds. I guess for some it is hard to differentiate between the two. No hard feelings from my camp Ralph. I could go on and on about addicts but it would serve no purpose at this point. We all have our own opinion. I may be misinformed on this,, But I don't think rush was quite near death or on his death bed when this all came to light. I have compassion for those with terminal illness and the pain they must endure, I cant imagine a doctor denying them meds in this condition. Ray you are so right. They never are alkie's or druggies just ask them.

catfish1 · Oct 12, 2003

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oxycontin (sched-2) is the most addictive contolled substance there is, it should only be given to the terminally ill. hydrocodone (sched-4) would do a good job relieving back pain without the addiction. if there was prescriptions for the oxy, someone is going to be investigated, all the way from the doctor to the pharmacy. at the pharmacy i work, we cant even tell someone over the phone that we have oxycontin, it is seriosly controlled!

catfish1 · Oct 12, 2003

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i'll add that i dont feel one bit sorry for rush. he's a big boy, and a smart guy! but the doctor that was feeding him the rx's should have his license removed, and the pharmacy has some liability as well.

BLU LUNCH · Oct 12, 2003

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There are reports out that he spent like 80K on illegal perscrpition drugs over the last 5 years. His sponsers should drop there support and kill the radio show. I know if I was the ceo of Sleep number beds or cold-dees, myself I would pull my company out asap. He had 5 years to admit his problem...too late now. Boycott his sponsers

catfish1 · Oct 12, 2003

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he's lucky he got caught! oxycontin is a very dangerous drug, and if he had'nt got caught, chances are he'd be dead soon.

Ralph 123 · Oct 12, 2003

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Forget Rush for just one second. Forget Rush, Forget Rush, Forget Rush. Ok. Now...

if there was prescriptions for the oxy, someone is going to be investigated, all the way from the doctor to the pharmacy.

This, in a nutshell is what I have been trying to say. This is why doctors let sick people suffer. This is what driives sick people to become criminals. not this drug per se, but pain relief in general. Although, I bet people take it because it is more readily available on the street than more appropriate treatment. Ultimately the legacy of Rush's problem is a lot more suffering. True suffering of people he has never met, of all political persuasions who will now not be treated because doctors are afraid to treat them as they know they should be treated.

catfish1 · Oct 12, 2003

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the only reason oxycontin (oxycodone) is available on the streets is because of the high probability of addiction. higher than cocaine!

Skinnywater · Oct 12, 2003

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neumanns and Soulwinner are smoking pot behind the garage!!!

I feel bad for Rush

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