I have to agree

[rodbolt]

after watching real news from overseas I have to agree our news is heavily censored.
we did not get to see the childrens bodies from qanna nor the bodies of the UN personell. however overseas they have no issue shoiwg the real scenes of this so called war.
both sides are way off base.
seems its out of control.
our president is ignorant and secretary of state Rice is worse, ya really outta see them on news channels outside the continental US,
its pathetic.
its embarresing.
so yes I must agree with 12ftr and darth, our news is heavily censored/biased.

 

[KaGee]

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I suppose this is what you are referring too?

Qana Casualties Only Half of Original Estimates
Kenneth R. Timmerman
Friday, Aug. 4, 2006

TEL AVIV, Israel -- Human Rights Watch released a report in Beirut on Thursday directly contradicting its earlier claims that "at least" 54 Lebanese civilians people had been killed when the Israeli Air Force bombed an apparent Hezbollah target in the Lebanese village of Qana on July 30.

The controversial human rights group now says that only 28 people died in the air strike. It made no apology to Israel for its earlier inflated claims.

Israeli officials told NewsMax they were suspicious of the high death toll right from the start when they examined news photographs of the victims.

"They appeared to have rigor mortis just hours after death," one official told NewsMax. "That seemed odd – not impossible, given the heat. But odd."

Rest of the read here: [colour=red][b][url]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/3/151808.shtml?s=lh[/b][/colour][/url]

Certainly Hezbollah or Human Rights Watch have NO interests in embellishing fact. And there is NO censoring there... at all!

 

[RubberFrog]

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Who says that the news overseas is so factual?
Gee, people that hate us say bad things and make our leaders look stupid. Shocking!

 

[tommays]

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I am supprised they bombed the christian section last night they were leaveing the NON hezbollah areas alone


Tommays

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Our news media are owned and operated by entertainment industries, therefore it should be no surprise to anyone with half a brain that the news delivery methods are based on a Disneyesque duplication format.

 

[oddjob]

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I saw photos.....of the same girl paraded around hours after she was killed....also saw a boy covered in dust ...dead with a brand NEW Pacifier hanging from him neck...red cross only confirmed 24 dead last I heard....:/

you need to change the channel rod...good day..

 

[PW2]

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Rodbolt, I agree with you. We are no longer seen as any sort of honest broker in this conflict, which is unfortunate.

I think it too bad that we were unable to be creative enough to at least attempt to broker some sort of compromise solution.
For example, it is pretty well accepted that we are trying to support the newly elected Lebanon government, and we know that Israel will not (or should not) negotiate with Hezbollah.

It is also pretty much agreed that the Lebanese gov't and military is incapable of keeping hezbollah under control.

Why not negotiate a cease fire with Lebanon/ Israel with the insistence that their military disarm Hezbollah, and offer the assistance necessary to achieve it. Either they will accept something like that or not, but at least we have offered them an opportunity to avoid destroying their country.

When we insist their military keep Hezbollah under control knowing they can't do it, and also not offering any help for them, it rings pretty hollow like we really do want to destroy Lebanon after all.

 

[LFK]

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Our news media are owned and operated by entertainment industries, therefore it should be no surprise to anyone with half a brain that the news delivery methods are based on a Disneyesque duplication format.

Yup! What he said.

 

[JB]

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It is very sad.

The Lebanese sheltered, tolerated and even supported Hezbollah. Hezbollah is now trying to use the Lebanese as sheilds after unprovoked attacks on Israeli civilians. The Lebanese military seem impotent and/or unwilling to do anything about it. Iran and Syria need to be accountable for this

What evidence is there that any new cease fire would do any more good than any past cease fire? It would only give the Hezbollah TERRORISTS time to reorganize and rearm..

W and Condi have it right: bring it to a point that Hezbollah is made unable to mount new terrorist attacks. Then get an agreement with them, Syria and Iran. Agree to what? Damfino, but they better agree to something and stick to that agreement or WWIII is at hand.

 

[rottenray6402]

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The guy in Iran believes he is the one that is supposed to bring on Armagedon, how do you negotiate with that? I have no first hand knowlege but I believe in the Koran it states that it is OK to lie to an Infidel if it furthers the cause. I don't see how a upstart country like ours that is only a couple of hundred years old can stop this fighting that has been going on for thousands of years. I feel bad for the citizens but they are the ones that allow these clowns to stay in power.

 

[POINTER94]

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How many UN resolutions, treaties, cease fire agreements, non agression pacts, terrorist attacks on innocents, kidnappings, does Isreal have to have broken/perpetrated against them? It is stupid to keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome. They are doing what any people would do when threatened with extermination.

They are not even fighting a country but a terrorist organization.. Whats the matter with democrats/rino's? Isreal has turned the other cheek so many times they no longer have a face. Anyone see Netanyahoo? He wasn't out trying to make political hay this past week on the news outlets. He put his hate for his political opponents in the happy box and became a statesman serving the best interest of his people, not his party. Something many of our leaders could learn from as we too are at war.

 

[12Footer]

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after watching real news from overseas I have to agree our news is heavily censored.
we did not get to see the childrens bodies from qanna nor the bodies of the UN personell. however overseas they have no issue shoiwg the real scenes of this so called war.
both sides are way off base.
seems its out of control.
our president is ignorant and secretary of state Rice is worse, ya really outta see them on news channels outside the continental US,
its pathetic.
its embarresing.
so yes I must agree with 12ftr and darth, our news is heavily censored/biased.

An indication that their koolaid werks (at least it does on some). Keep drinkin it if you're buying it.
News media has become a dangerous tool for America's enemies.. So has hollywood.

 

[Bob_VT]

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I tend to sum up all news regardless of who is reporting it as P R O P A G A N D A

It is the most effective psychological warfare method we have today.

I miss having my old C band satallite TV dish. I was able to pick up "raw" feeds that were being transmitted prior to the "edit" stage. During the 1st Gulf war I saw some very interesting footage.

In the US the best "Media Masters" or manipulators has to be the FBI. Remember Waco? Remember Richard Jewell and the Olympics.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Many cease fires in the past have
proven to be ineffective and have been repeatedly broken , UN security council resolutions have been ignored and continue to be ignored by all parties to this conflict.

 

[QC]

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real news from overseas

Bwahahahahahhah. Are you on drugs rodbolt? I suppose this is the one thing that is not corrupt in Latin America . . .

 

[Skinnywater]

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We are no longer seen as any sort of honest broker in this conflict, which is unfortunate.
I think it too bad that we were unable to be creative enough to at least attempt to broker some sort of compromise solution.

PW we were in the process of brokering the most monumental and substantive "compromise solution" since the 7day war, almost 40 years! The case for my interpetation of "monumental and substantive" didn't merely reflect talk. It reflects actions on the part of the Israeli's to bulldoze their own citizens homes and turn it over to the Palastinians.

As for not being seen as a honest broker is a consequence of the Iraq war. But irrelevant since Hezbollah, Iran and Syria has hated US for simply being an ally of Israel, long before Iraq.

Why not negotiate a cease fire with Lebanon/ Israel with the insistence that their military disarm Hezbollah, and offer the assistance necessary to achieve it.

You have about as much of a chance to diarm these groups then you have for them to honestly swear that Israel has a right to exist.
Unfortunately a cease fire, negotiations, insistence, or cold hard cash could ever achieve that.

When we insist their military keep Hezbollah under control knowing they can't do it, and also not offering any help for them, it rings pretty hollow like we really do want to destroy Lebanon after all.

It seems that on this issue we are the only ones in the world along with Israel that are taking the most honest stand of all. I can only wish that we all take note the proper way to disarm your enemy.

 

[rodbolt]

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you have to remember that iseal did this 10 years ago, and the syians controled the area for the past 15 years, the newly formed democratictically elected lebenese govt does not stand a chance to controllet alone disarm hezbollah. I mean the US with a UN coalition cannot disarm some militant group in Iraq/aghanistan and we have been at it almost 5 years.
so to blame the lebanese is crazy.
while isreal has the right to defend itself their reaction has gone beyond self defense to war on civilians, the lebanese army has offered no resistence so far as they agree with isreals principal just not the indiscriminate airstrikes and promises of later investigations.
so no you cannot blame the current lebanese govt just failed US and world policy over the past 25 years or so.
its time to cut the isreali umbilical cord and allow them to sink or swim and be friends with the winner as long as the mid-east oil flows.
just think, if the mid east had no oil they would be relegated to sudan,congo or south africa status.
what the answer is I dont know but think of it from the other side, if your kids were killedeby the US govt trying to bomb a terror group like say the Aryan nation in say Ohio and bombed your livihood,killed your children and decimated your economy odds are you would then join the aryan nation to fight the govt.
its about what is happening now in that reagion.
the UN is and has been a joke for many years. some due to general incompetence and some to to excessive US futile policy pressures.

 

[PW2]

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Well, let's see. We have huge demonstrations in Iraq by the Shia majority in support of Hezbollah. Our tax dollars and the results of the sacrifice of our brave soldiers on display!

If there is anything that our incursion in Iraq, and more recently Israel's into Lebanon should teach us is there are definite limits to what military action can accomplish. Someday we are going to have to learn to use diplomacy, and whatever leverage we can muster, to achieve a more desirable outcome. Perfect solutions are a noble goal, but not likely to be achieved.

So far, our incursion in Iraq seems to be resulting in a Shiite dominance of that part of the world, which of a necessity will make that part of the world more, and not less unstable, and threaten more moderate countries like Jordan and Egypt.

Finding out who deserves the ultimate blame is fine, but it is largely an academic excercise. How is it going to help?

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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The governments of Jordan and Egypt are our moderate friends and allies in that volatile region only because we the USA pay them almost 5 billion dollars a year of the taxpayers money to be so.

 

[PW2]

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Our news media are owned and operated by entertainment industries, therefore it should be no surprise to anyone with half a brain that the news delivery methods are based on a Disneyesque duplication format.

Well, if I understand your (and others') argument, when the news is good, the news is good. When the news is bad, it is all a fabrication and lies of the media, and the news is actually good.

Therefore, all the news in the region is good, no matter what.

Interesting. Lenin, Marx, Stalin, Hitler, would approve.
Heck, even Baghdad Bob would have concurred with that theory.