is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

mercuk

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Right. I had nothing but problems with this stuff and trying to get it to form a decent topcoat. First time round I used the light grey primer and phantom black on top and it looked good but would scratch real easy. :redface: figured coats went on too heavy or something...

Now couple years later I tryed a decent 2 pack (catalysed) primer, which worked a treat and with a bit of heat cured on there nice and solid.
Left for 24hours. Put a real fine dust coat of phatom black on, heated left it for 30 mins or so to cool down. Put another fine coat on there so most of the of the primer was gone and it was just a matt black, heated again left for again to set then put a final coat on there and heated. Nice, shiney gloss finsih, NO runs..

Temp has been around 60* to 70* and 3 days later I can still scratch off the phantom black....:mad: Seroiusly people I done my research properly from the advice given on this forum, sanded it all back to bear metal, 50/50 vinegar and water, left to dry etc nice thin coats of paint building it up to nice finish and still not durable.:mad:

Sure it looks good but still chips pretty easy and is nowhere near as good as what I would expect it to be..:facepalm: I really took my time on this one making sure all the correct prep work was done properly before paint etc.

Just seems to me as if this phatom black stuff is literally for touch ups on scratches or small stuff not whole engine repaint... Like I said, looks real good but doesn't seem tough enough to last another 40 odd years:eek:...... Anyone else had this problem before with quicksilver phatom black or am I just not doing it right...:confused:

Either way I'm pretty annoyed with it considering the time, money and effort ive invested in to it.....
 

gwukena

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

I'll pm you with merc's recommendation on redoing a lower unit. The paint job on these things is better than most vehicles.

Gary
 

mercuk

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

I'll pm you with merc's recommendation on redoing a lower unit. The paint job on these things is better than most vehicles.

Gary

O.K cool. Thanks. Ive redone panels on cars before and never had this kind of problem before. But I'm always willing to learn...
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

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Screw it, PM's wouldn't let me attach jpg.
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

most people that repaint simply use rustoleum black, or PPG 9000 black. Merc's phantom black is just gloss black paint.

if you had used rustoleum, you could have mixed in some hardener. then sprayed it with a preval sprayer.
 

mercuk

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

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Screw it, PM's wouldn't let me attach jpg.

Thanks dude.

Only thing is that NO WHERE on that list does it mention the use of Mercury /quicksilver phatom black paint, but "ditzler urethane DU 9300" with "ditzler DU5 catalst" What the heck is that?!!

Googled it and couldn't find squat. My problem likes with quicksilver's phantom black NOT ditzler paint lol :)

Still I appreciate the time you made to try and help me out. I personally think the problem lies within "rattle can" paints. I'm sure if I were to find a decent 2K (catalysed) black top coat paint instead, it would probably last 10x longer than the quicksilver junk...
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

That picture is from current mercury service manual on refinishing. I'm in the process of refinishing my lower unit, and this is the info given to me by the dealer (who also happens to be a good friend)
 

mercuk

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

That picture is from current mercury service manual on refinishing. I'm in the process of refinishing my lower unit, and this is the info given to me by the dealer (who also happens to be a good friend)


Well thanks for the info, and I hope your lower unit turns out better than mine :) I don't doubt for one minute that the information you gave to me is less than spot on dude, its just I would like to know if anyone else besides me has had problem's with the quiksilver paint before........
I think next time 2k paint is the only way to go....
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

Me too I already bought two cans of phantom black before talking to my friend(lives 2000 miles away). I'm still going to try spray canning it anyways, just after seeing your experience I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll let you know how it turns out
 

mercuk

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

Me too I already bought two cans of phantom black before talking to my friend(lives 2000 miles away). I'm still going to try spray canning it anyways, just after seeing your experience I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll let you know how it turns out


Kool dude. I would really apreciate you letting me know how you got on with the quicksilver phantom black good or bad. It could be me being an idiot or missing something, but I really don't see how i got it that wrong so it scratches real easy. Anyway I'll look forwards to hearing how you got on buddy, best of luck. :)
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

I did my whole motor with quicksilver phantom black three weeks ago came out nice.I did not sand all the way to bare metal I used 220 grit sand paper and wipedown with alcohol.Sprayed one coat set out in sun for about six hours next day sprayed second coat let dry looks great just needs new decals.
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

Getting paint to stick onto old aluminum - especially saltwater aluminum - has been a major headache for me. It is way more difficult than painting a car. However, I have found two products that are easy to use and have great adhesion to the marine aluminum. In a spray can is the green duplicolor self-etch primer and in the quart is Pettit 6455. The Petit is the better of the two and when thinned out with some denatured alchohol does a great job of shooting, drying, and sticking. With both products all you're looking for is a bonding agent so you use a very thin coat.

Depending upon whether or not the part goes underwater I will apply an anti-corrosion primer like the Petitt 6462 zinc chromate. I think the 6462 is better for underwater than the ppg epoxy primers.

Once the substrate is done I have no problems with any of my topcoats including the mercury P/B aerosol. Athough ... if you are using aerosol in order to be quick and easy then I think Dupont Lacquer is a better looking & more durable finish that is also easier to spray properly and dries faster.
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

I would never use heat after painting. It removes the bonding agents from the paint. That is why they tell you not to paint in direct sunlight or when temps are real high.
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

The only time I have had a paint due this was due to a bad primer....the paint was soft to touch and doughy if scraped off.
 

mercuk

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

I would never use heat after painting. It removes the bonding agents from the paint. That is why they tell you not to paint in direct sunlight or when temps are real high.

I'm sorry but I personally thought that the area's that I heated on with a gun made it considerably better and stuck on there real good.The area's that I didn't heat up as much, i.e gearbox scrapes off a lot easier.

I'm still of the opinion that P.B is useless and the end of the day it's just a "rattle can" spray that aint going to hold up nowhere near as good as a 2K (2 pack or "catalysed") paint. I personally think that what it comes down to. I could be wrong but that's just my personal opinion on the matter.
 

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

It is possible to get a single bad can but very unlikely to get two. If your experience is bad with a single can of paint then maybe you got a bad can. If your experience spans multiple cans then there is probably a problem with your primer or surface prep. The mercury rattle-can is actually a much better than average aerosol.
 

merc850

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Re: is it me or is quicksilver phatom black useless

Maybe the english climate is too damp for a quality finish from a Mercury product also, vinegar and water is not a great prep solvent.
 
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