Actually Kia's are the Kia's of the car world. Bayliners would be the Kia's of the boat worldOriginally posted by Ryan T.:<br /><br />Bayliners are bottom of the barrel boats, they are the Kias of the car world.
Well I'm saying the hulls are cheap too,and its not just an opinioun. I have seen many bayliners, mostley older ones in the 14-22 foot range with flexing hulls and rotted floors, including my uncles 1985 20' Maxum , which is the same hull as a bayliner, with bigger engine and better options, but the company and quality is the same. The hull will flex in rough conditions, stringers and rotted to the point where the center windsheald won't close anymore.Bondo say the hulls cheap too but thats his opinion.
Isn't that the way it should be? If someone buys a boat and has problems with it then we should support them not the manufacturer. If the boat makers understand this then they will be more likely to make a better product. I would love it if a boat manufacturer was concerned that I could start a propaganda war if they sold me a piece of junk.<br /><br />What would happen if Ford came out with another Pinto? Sometimes a brand just needs to die.<br /><br />How many of the people that had problems with their boats were taken care of by the manufacturer? It's impossible to know but I think that there were many that weren't. Is their money less important than the bilgeliner name? Bedliners didn't get the reputation on a whim they earned it.<br /><br />If you had a boat and it gave you a lot of trouble would you keep it in a nice dry location? Heck no, you would put it out in the backyard and forget about it. Then 20 years later some kid (young or old)would come by and say "I can fix that old boat up"<br /><br />The Japanese figured this out in the 70's.Originally posted by DJ:<br /> As I said on the previous threads, regarding this subject.<br /><br />It takes a ton of fact to change an ounce of perception.
No that's not the way it should be.<br /><br />Some things DO ACTUALLY CHANGE. Living in the past can lead to ones missing out on a good thing, sometimes.<br /><br />Bayliner would not be the worlds largest single boat manufacturer if they consistantly produced an inferior product. I'll agree that some of the older stuff was marginal. You got what you paid for. And, you still do, to some extent. <br /><br />There are plenty of boats, with so called good names that are no better, or worse, than a Bayliner.<br /><br />There are plenty of so called "high line" boats out there with rotted stringers and floors too. I've fixed more than my share.<br /><br />BTW, what was wrong with the Pinto? A pretty serviceable car, IMHO. A heck of allot better and safer than a Vega. So what else, that size could withstand a 60 mph+ rear end collision from a full size Impala. NOTHING. That's why almost every small car, of that era had recalls to attach components so that the fuel tanks wouldn't leak. Vegas, Chevettes, Toyotas, Datsuns, you name it.<br /><br />Technology rolls forward. Sometimes we learn from past experiences. Ones experience with a Model T no way relates to a product (any automotive) built today.<br /><br />But, as I say, again.<br /><br />It takes a ton of fact to change an ounce of perception.Isn't that the way it should be?
Welp...glad you told me about that. Seems like Bayliners are as bad as Grady Whites having transoms and stringers rotting out, Parkers with the decks rotting out, older Mako's with decks and stringers rotting out and on and on and on. Yup...they're all on the same list. Maybe we should all just give up the boating altogether.Originally posted by Ryan T.:<br /><br />Well I'm saying the hulls are cheap too,and its not just an opinioun. I have seen many bayliners, mostley older ones in the 14-22 foot range with flexing hulls and rotted floors, including my uncles 1985 20' Maxum , which is the same hull as a bayliner, with bigger engine and better options, but the company and quality is the same. The hull will flex in rough conditions, stringers and rotted to the point where the center windsheald won't close anymore.