Leaking Boat?? Drilled Hole For Transducer 2012 bayliner 185

[salty87]

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have you verified that your warranty has transferred to you? sometimes there's paperwork required.

 

[Willie Wallie]

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OP - i just remembered that there was a service bulletin recall on our model for the bilge pump hose I believe ( according to bayliner certain boats within a certain serial # and mine happened to fall in that range ). I'm not sure what's the connection to the leaking or if there could be any... You probably did not receive this as you are the second owner... Took it in to the dealer I bought it from and they said they did not hear of it until I produced the letter to them.... " I'll have the boat ready for you in few days" .... "Are you kidding me, just to change a hose.... Its 92*, where do you think I wanna be, and if you can't give it back to me by this evening, I'll just bring it back after I sink it"

After a few minutes of pondering, " well I'm sure I can have it ready by 5pm latest" .... I picked it up at 4:30... I'm not even sure what was done to rectify the service bulletin but I received a sheet of a courtesy inspection

 

[crabby captain john]

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Let us think-- you live in Canada. It gets cold in Canada. You have a boat with a plywood transom core. Wet plywood splinters and rots. Wet plywood wicks water. When cold water freezes and expands. Each winter it becomes weaker until you have nothing but wet splinters encased in fiberglass. A factory representative tells you that will not effect the integrity of the transom. Next they will tell you it is a good thing for boats to have a weak transom. Hey, maybe they will make certain all Bayliners leak now.

 

[rnorman3]

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Currently I have an appointment to bring the boat in to the dealer on Monday. The last communication I got from Bayliner was to do just that, bring the boat back to the dealer, no indication of what they plan to ask the dealer do with it, although I know the dealer is not equipped to handle any repair beyond opening a tube of caulking and pumping it out. Removing the strip is beyond their comfort zone, the dealer admits that.

Bayliner has already stated that the wood in the hull is built from such material that it can withstand leaks. I've asked for some clarification on that...

Maybe Bayliner will do the right thing, that being once it gets to the dealer, have them verify the source of the leak, confirm this is a manufacturing defect and ship it off for proper repair like someone said Starcraft was willing to do. I hope so anyway. The warranty if for sure still valid for me, it's a 2012 and has burned maybe 3 tanks of gas!

 

[agallant80]

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Things happen to new boats. The top end of my bravo3 blew out after 25 hours of use. Mercruiser shipped out a new top end and it was replaced. I was worried that they would give me a tonne of issues saying it was my fault but they did not. Mine is a 2013 Bayliner. Bayliner is owned by Brunswick corp which owns Mercruiser. From the merc side of things I am happy with the service I got. Hope Bayliner will be just as good seeing as they are owned by the same company.

 

[stephanies]

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My new Stingray developed a vibration no one could fix- In the end Stingray shipped it back from Florida to the plant in Carolina and removed the motor to replace the engine coupler- Hope Bayliner step up to a problem like this....

 

[tpenfield]

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Things happen to new boats. The top end of my bravo3 blew out after 25 hours of use.

Wow . . . when did this happen?? I don't recall seeing any posts about . . .

 

[CK07R6]

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If they are willing to fix the flange leak under warranty then they are admitting fault for that problem and are willing to admit that its still under warranty. I'd say if they continue to not want to fix the other warranty issues, then its a case for the courts.

They have admitted fault. That fault has created multiple issues. They need to remedy all of those issues, not just the easy one. If they dont, then they are negligent as far as Im concerned.

 

[lakegeorge]

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Make sure you take a lot of pictures and document everything that is said to you at the dealer and get something from the dealer in writing also. I don't think you have seen the last of this issue yet.
When you talk to someone from dealer or Bayliner make sure to get their name and date & time for your records. If you should ever have to go to court the person with the most documentation usually wins.
I hope it all works out for you.

 

[ricohman]

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If they are willing to fix the flange leak under warranty then they are admitting fault for that problem and are willing to admit that its still under warranty. I'd say if they continue to not want to fix the other warranty issues, then its a case for the courts.

They have admitted fault. That fault has created multiple issues. They need to remedy all of those issues, not just the easy one. If they dont, then they are negligent as far as Im concerned.

This is the key.
While the transom won't rot this year, it will eventually, at an accelerated rate. It will never dry.
Maybe Bayliner is betting you won't have the boat long enough to worry about a rotten transom?
I agree that the factory that made it is the best solution to getting it repaired. I never had to resort to any legal wrangling as Starcraft stepped up and shipped the boat there and back from Canada at their expense. As well as doing all the repairs.
I say keep the lines of communication open and peaceful. Unless you have no other recourse.

 

[rnorman3]

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Ok, so I'm thinking that maybe I should use some tumeric powder ( I'm Indian sorry ), or water based paint paste around the leaking areas that you posted in your photos to check if this could be a common dilemma with this model... Give me a few days, I'll be home soon... Really enthusiastic to see if it is???

Willie, remove the back seats, then look on both sides of the boat, (on the port side right of the battery, and on the starboard left of the hydraulic pump) there's box looking areas. On top of that cube/box like area is a flat area maybe 1ftx1ft. On my boat, after a rainfall (or with the hose running for a while over the swim platform), on top of those cubes are found puddles of water, the water comes in via the gunwale. I hope you don't leak...
RN

 

[salty87]

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any updates on this?

 

[Luv2Camp]

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My dealer is fixing a similar issue on my 2012 185 right now. Drilled a hole two weeks ago on my transom for a temp sensor for the fish finder. A few cups of clear water came streaming out of the hole. Took the extended swim platform lower support mount bolt out on the other side and water came out of that hole as well. Today, I put the stern of the boat in the water on the trailer and looked into the engine compartment. Within a few seconds, could see a trickle of water coming in from the drain plug. It is leaking from the flange not being sealed correctly. Took the boat out and ran it in reverse enough to get water coming up and over the swim platform. A BUNCH OF WATER was pooling inside of the engine compartment from the seam of the top of the boat where it is joined to the hull. When the water rolls down to the ledge at the seam that was not sealed correctly, it is entering tiny holes on the ledge that leak into the hollow space under the floor and at the transom. I know there are holes because I had my wife hold compressed air against the extended swim platform bracket bolt hole and could feel the air escaping on the inside of the engine compartment right where the water was pooling. Brought it to my dealer and when the rub rail was removed, you can see DAYLIGHT in the corners when looking from inside the engine compartment! It was so bad, I could see the shadow of the techs finger when he was pointing to the area that was leaking from the outside.

Also, my dealer told me that the area under the seats and back by the stern is foam filled and there is no wood back in there. Not sure if that is true but has me thinking that when I drilled the hole for the transducer, maybe what I saw on my drill but that IU thought was wood was actually the foam I hit??? Makes sense to me because when I drilled the hole, it was not that thick before I hit the void and when I see the thickness of the area that had wood and drilled thru (extended swim platform,drain plug) it is VERY thick because of the wood encapsulated in the glass. I am still thinking about putting a drain plug on each side of the transom at these cavities so I can be sure at any time I want that it is dry but being told I may void the warranty if I do that.

 

[rnorman3]

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Hi luv2camp, sounds like you have almost the exact same issue as me. The first time I brought it to the dealer they did the drain plug flange repair and insisted it was all fixed, as did bayliner...then of course as more rainwater poured in through the gunwale seal strip, they took that off and fixed it too, for whatever it's worth, it still leaks a small bit. I have a cover now that goes down over the entire boat.

It is definitely wood in the transom, not sure about the other areas. I'm also afraid to drill more holes in the transom to drain the water since Bayliner will possibly say it was my fault. I bought an inductive moisture meter, and it reads 100% soaked all the way across the transom, dry most everywhere else. I asked bayliner to take the boat back and properly fix it, they said no. I filled out the survey Bayliner sent me, that was a few weeks ago, I never heard back. They previously insisted the structural integrity of the hull is in no way compromised by the water filled voids in the transom. I think it's a poorly manufactured product. I'm the second owner of the boat, the first owner only had it for 6 months and ran into family issues had to sell, although the warranty is transferred to me, I can't bring it back, or I would. This being 2 cases of the same problem, I'd be willing to bet there are a lot more. I would encourage anyone with a 2012 bayliner to get an inductive moisture meter, and check their transom for water. I got the one from ebay "Digital Non-Destructive Inductive Moisture Meter 4 modes 0~40?C LED", it's like $30 delivered from china. Marine surveyors will have a similar instrument.

RN

 

[crabby captain john]

Re: Leaking Boat?? Drilled Hole For Transducer 2012 bayliner 185

My dealer is fixing a similar issue on my 2012 185 right now. Drilled a hole two weeks ago on my transom for a temp sensor for the fish finder. A few cups of clear water came streaming out of the hole. Took the extended swim platform lower support mount bolt out on the other side and water came out of that hole as well. Today, I put the stern of the boat in the water on the trailer and looked into the engine compartment. Within a few seconds, could see a trickle of water coming in from the drain plug. It is leaking from the flange not being sealed correctly. Took the boat out and ran it in reverse enough to get water coming up and over the swim platform. A BUNCH OF WATER was pooling inside of the engine compartment from the seam of the top of the boat where it is joined to the hull. When the water rolls down to the ledge at the seam that was not sealed correctly, it is entering tiny holes on the ledge that leak into the hollow space under the floor and at the transom. I know there are holes because I had my wife hold compressed air against the extended swim platform bracket bolt hole and could feel the air escaping on the inside of the engine compartment right where the water was pooling. Brought it to my dealer and when the rub rail was removed, you can see DAYLIGHT in the corners when looking from inside the engine compartment! It was so bad, I could see the shadow of the techs finger when he was pointing to the area that was leaking from the outside.

Also, my dealer told me that the area under the seats and back by the stern is foam filled and there is no wood back in there. Not sure if that is true but has me thinking that when I drilled the hole for the transducer, maybe what I saw on my drill but that IU thought was wood was actually the foam I hit??? Makes sense to me because when I drilled the hole, it was not that thick before I hit the void and when I see the thickness of the area that had wood and drilled thru (extended swim platform,drain plug) it is VERY thick because of the wood encapsulated in the glass. I am still thinking about putting a drain plug on each side of the transom at these cavities so I can be sure at any time I want that it is dry but being told I may void the warranty if I do that.

Voids lack structural integrity. Foam will not rot but will accumulate water and can add hundreds of pounds of weight. The Bayliner reputation has not improved since the late '80s.

 

[metriccrescentwrench]

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I asked bayliner to take the boat back and properly fix it, they said no. ..... They previously insisted the structural integrity of the hull is in no way compromised by the water filled voids in the transom. I think it's a poorly manufactured product.....

You can tell your dealer and whomever you're in contact with at Bayliner that their refusal to fix a defective product is now costing them sales. I had actually been under the impression that Bayliner had gotten their act together in the last several years, and advised someone I knew of that who was looking to make a boat purchase. Since reading this I've advised them to NOT even consider a Bayliner.

As far as a void between the skin and wood in the transom not affecting structural integrity, I call BS. I've built a fiberglass airplane and rebuilt two boats (and am currently rebuilding a third), in the course of doing all that that I've learned a thing or two about composite structures. A composite sandwich structure MUST have the skin securely bonded to the core or else you've got a serious structural issue. And as far as the wet wood in the transom not being a problem within the next few years, I have to wonder what kind of drugs those people are taking. I think what they're really saying is that it might last long enough to not have the transom come apart before the end of the warranty period.

 

[fishrdan]

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When the transom eventually fails, what do you think Bayliner is going to say about repairing it under their limited lifetime warranty?.... The rotten transom was caused by a non-factory installed fish finder that penetrated the transom and allowed water in.......

 

[lfunk11]

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that sucks I want to add a FF on my boat at some point, but I almost don't want to know what I might find. I would almost suggest trying to sell it, but that would be a crappy thing to do to the next person who bought it.

 

[britisher]

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Warranty's aka Insurance are great until you want to claim on them and then the folks behind them start walking away. I chuckled when I read the comment made by Bayliner that their wood was made from materials that would be impervious to the water. Wood is wood and has been for thousands of years. There is no such thing as a completely waterproof, rot proof wood. It appears Bayliner want to offer up a sticking plaster on this clear manufacturing defect and I wouldn't accept anymore of what they say. I'd be tooling up for a fight with them. For starters, I'd be having a Professional inspect the boat for water intrusion, etc and then you have a professional organization on your side. How far do Bayliner want to take the bad publicity???
I had a french Citroen when we lived back in the UK. It was a technical masterpiece, but a manufacturing disaster. The motor gave out at 60,000 miles after being serviced by the Citroen Mani Dealer since day 1. We took up the failure with them and they offered a replacement engine, with the proviso that the oil had to be Mobil 1, which at the time cost $192.00 PER oil change. I bit the bullet and went along with that. After 12,000 miles, the replacement engine's big end bearings gave out and the engine was a goner. With the car in pieces and occupying a bay in the main dealers garage, I got a professional Inspection Engineer in, who concluded the fault was theirs. Citroen at first didn't want to replace the engine and I had the garage threatening to charge me rent on the bay if I didn't get the car put back together and out their garage. We threatened legal action and plenty of bad publicity for Citroen. They gave in and installed a brand new motor in the car. The motors were $7000.00 a pop. The Motto is Non Illegitimi Carborundum (Don't let the B******s Grind You Down). Persistence pays off. Good luck.

 

[rnorman3]

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metriccrescentwrench, I forwarded my contact at Bayliner your story...maybe it'll help get these boats properly fixed.