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[QC]

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jimonica, (Edit: not a response to your latest post)

There was some discussion about this earlier in this thread. There is definitely more emotion attached to Hitler's name than Stalin's. To say that Stalin's name should invoke a stronger reaction simply because of the math is not correct either if you ask me. The methods of the Nazis clearly makes what they did especially horrible, although none of the lives taken by any of these monsters should be considered more or less tragic.

Although I have always felt that calling a Democrat a communist is inaccurate and wrong, it does not have the same feel as calling a Conservative a Nazi, or especially, equating our President to Hitler. Regardless of the historical body count, the emotion surrounding Nazi Germany is higher than the more generic "communist". Also, it is pretty much understood that Communism was intended as some sort of social utopia, whereas Nazism has at least some roots in the belief of the superiority of an Aryan master race. I believe that statement to be factual and for me makes the ideology particularly disgusting. I don't believe the same of communism although ultimately it has proven over and over to lead to mass murder and/or human suffering.

To say that the US Government of any Era or Administration has resembled any of these extreme examples is IMHO ridiculous, inaccurate and wrong. It is equally ridiculous to equate the individuals responsible for any of those terrible regimes, with any individuals in our Government past or present. To say that this guy is leading us towards this ideology or that ideology is probably less so.

 

[jtexas]

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Have to agree with QC - Dems as communists is just hyperbole; Repubs as Nazis feels likes fightin' words.

jimonica: "Republicans have shifted so far to the right that they are just a step or two to the left of a right wing fascist government." Isn't that just a bit...Orwellian...maybe? Do you really see them pushing us in that direction?

At least we still have the constitution, congress and the supreme court. And the 50 different state governments. I mean there's still a lot of red tape standing between a facist fed and the republican party.

 

[Pony]

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At least we still have the constitution, congress and the supreme court. And the 50 different state governments. I mean there's still a lot of red tape standing between a facist fed and the republican party.

That right there is a huge benefit to us. It is those precautions installed by the founding fathers that will keep us from repeating the history of the likes of Rome. The Roman republic was GREAT in theory, but in practice and no safegaurds against extreme corruption etc.

 

[oddjob]

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Thx for the tip on retrieving old Limbaugh Archives monica. Usually, only rich subscribers (snif) to the Limbaugh letter can access it on his website.
Ya gotta love the tapes and sound bites Rush saves to play back for us when some of us need reminding of what the liberal agenda really is. Rush provides alot of facts this way that the lib media wouldnt dare...
8) Merry Christmas!

 

[jimonica]

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Fascism (IPA: [ˈfæʃɪzm]) is a radical political ideology that combines elements of authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, corporatism, anti-liberalism and anti-communism.


lol..... according to this definition this administration is already a fascist regime. Can anyone deny this describe the Bush administration to a tee?d

Here is where I think you keep on misunderstanding me QC, I go by the dictionary definition of fascism and apparently you believe Nazism and fascism are one in the same.:/

 

[jimonica]

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Fascism (IPA: [ˈfæʃɪzm]) is a radical political ideology that combines elements of authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, corporatism, anti-liberalism and anti-communism.


lol.... in fact that definition describe at lot of members of our iboat community!8)

 

[oddjob]

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Wow monica!...you nailed it! Why this whole country is Fascist!.....what should we all do? :'(

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Speaking of Monica.....
I read today that she just got her masters from the London School of Economics last thursday....
This means she is more educated than Rush Limpbaugh!. d
Who we all know is a college drop-out.....:$
I guess a little bit of Bill Clinton did rub off on her after- all!
We now return you to our regularly scheduled program.......d......JK

 

[crunch]

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I guess a little bit of Bill Clinton did rub off on her after- all!

Uuuuh, that was on her dress.

 

[jimonica]

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Thanks Oddjob,
Now that we are all in agreement that this is in fact a fascist regime. Can we all agree that anti-gay Republicans are really closet homosexuals

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Stands to reason, doesn't it? d

 

[jtexas]

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Fascism (IPA: [ˈfæʃɪzm]) is a radical political ideology that combines elements of authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, corporatism, anti-liberalism and anti-communism.


lol..... according to this definition this administration is already a fascist regime. Can anyone deny this describe the Bush administration to a tee?d

Here is where I think you keep on misunderstanding me QC, I go by the dictionary definition of fascism and apparently you believe Nazism and fascism are one in the same.:/

"Can anyone deny this describe the Bush administration to a tee?"
I deny it, specifically the word "radical".


All nazis are facist but not all facists are nazis

 

[samsam]

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Fascism (IPA: [ˈfæʃɪzm]) is a radical political ideology that combines elements of authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, corporatism, anti-liberalism and anti-communism.


lol..... according to this definition this administration is already a fascist regime. Can anyone deny this describe the Bush administration to a tee?d

Here is where I think you keep on misunderstanding me QC, I go by the dictionary definition of fascism and apparently you believe Nazism and fascism are one in the same.:/

"Can anyone deny this describe the Bush administration to a tee?"
I deny it, specifically the word "radical".


All nazis are facist but not all facists are nazis

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

[CJY]

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Hmmmm

 

[oddjob]

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Thanks Oddjob,
Now that we are all in agreement that this is in fact a fascist regime. Can we all agree that anti-gay Republicans are really closet homosexuals

ewwwwwww!...hey if I were a homo. I'd definately keep it in the closet....:|

 

[QC]

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14 defining characteristics common to each:

So let's examine this as this authority has defined, and has been posted obviously in reference to the United States today:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -

As defined - No

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -

Uh . . . No This is clearly about internal enemies. Not "enemy combatants". We are at war regardless of what some think about the need and or quality of that war.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -

I'm gonna go with Maybe. The only reason not a yes is this passage: "The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy" Most on the left claim that this country is more divided than ever, not sure how they can also claim that we are unified :=

4. Supremacy of the Military -

No Our Military is not Glamorized by many in this country, that's for sure among other inconsistencies with that one.

5. Rampant Sexism -

No Not even close

6. Controlled Mass Media -

No Not even close

7. Obsession with National Security -

I am going with a Yes because I believe that fear is almost always used as a motivational tool. The fact that I think fear is rational in this case does not change the yes answer.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -

No Not even close

9. Corporate Power is Protected -

No

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -

No

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -

No Some might point to the continued distrust of Hollywood "Stars" but that is not from our Government

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -

Again I have to go with No Some will say that this administration has attempted to push its reach with the Justice Department, but there are safeguards and rebukes everywhere and there is nothing of the sort at the local level. Nothing.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -

No

14. Fraudulent Elections -

No Give me a flippin' break.

I used literal interpretations of the descriptions, which, I believe is the only way to review this. Again, reread the requirement that this list was "common to each".

 

[12Footer]

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I have to admit this thread is incredulous.

JB, I'll make you a deal.
I'll start singing the praises of W if you and he can figure out a way to "win" in Iraq, and get us out of there, short of nuking the whole Middle East.

We (me and some of the others here) have been trying to explain to you (and some of the others here) since 2001 the path to victory, but the required partipiation was not forthcomming by a large enough segment of the population as to condemn any future hope of "winning". Just keep on hating Bush,now -- After all, you got what you wanted, and I for one will never forget this second lesson in subersive strategy. I'll remember it always, and impliment the strategy if/when I am called-upon to use it as long as I breathe.
And given the errosion of American principles, morals and grade averages at their current level, I won't have to remember them for very long.

 

[POINTER94]

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QC,

The whole post is foolishness. A conspiracy theorist wet dream. You don't think that any political body, lets say communism, didn't create a straw man enemy? Capitalist pigs ring a bell? This isn' unique to facism or any other political body, its universal.

Are we really concerned about national security? Checked the boarder with Mexico recently? How many undocumented immigrants live in the country? FWIW were we not recently attacked by muslim extremists? Fixated on National Security? Our national security is a joke.

I am glad you responded to it, I just had to laugh it off as its content was so absurd, it wasn't worth the effort in my opinion.

This is nothing but just another liberal grenade.....

 

[QC]

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Yeah Pointer, it's just that some will see things that ring true with their beliefs and run with it. Hoping to head a little of that off is all. Really amazing to me. I don't like the quick use of the word "hate" when we see stuff like this, but I have a hard time seeing any love for this country in a post like that.

 

[POINTER94]

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If I believed any of what was in that post there is no way I could sleep at night. So Sad.