Magnumdekes 1976 22' Starcraft Islander

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Vinyl flooring rollers,......

Find them at hardware stores,...Or maybe even the place you get the vinyl and glue from,...........
 

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Posted in the wrong thread this am:

Laminate roller hit jigngrub w a pm, he may have a low cost provider, but I think HD &/or Lowes have them. Online too.

But TDF has ya covered too....
 

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Cool resto magnumdeke, I didn't realize you had a thread going with a offshore bracket as well. The bracket you made looks pretty solid. I'm going to be in a similar phase of restoration on my blue fin and was planning on using the nautolex. Are you fastening your floor down first and then putting the nautolex down for a 1 piece look? I've contemplated that or pre-putting down the floor and folding over plywood with staples, but then I'd have the sectioned look, and then the screws would showing. I like the idea of fastening the floor down first then putting down the vinyl, but where would you attach the ends of the vinyl? Do you just staple it at the edges or roll it up the boat sides?
 

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Cool resto magnumdeke, I didn't realize you had a thread going with a offshore bracket as well. The bracket you made looks pretty solid. I'm going to be in a similar phase of restoration on my blue fin and was planning on using the nautolex. Are you fastening your floor down first and then putting the nautolex down for a 1 piece look? I've contemplated that or pre-putting down the floor and folding over plywood with staples, but then I'd have the sectioned look, and then the screws would showing. I like the idea of fastening the floor down first then putting down the vinyl, but where would you attach the ends of the vinyl? Do you just staple it at the edges or roll it up the boat sides?

My floor is down, I will pull the rivets i have in down the center and fill the holes and fair all joints and foam holes in so the floor is flat and go with a one piece floor. Re rivet after the nautolex is in, the stern to bow outside edges will get stapled then the side panels go on and there will be an aluminum angle screwed to the floor and side panel bottom with a bead of 3M 5200 behind it. At the stern i left the floor 6" short of the transom and sealed the gap to the hull, I will fold over this edge to the hull and staple it it sealing the end where the water ends up nicely. Upfront at the bulkhead I will fold it up a bit and put down an alum angle to seal it.Should be as waterproof a deck as I can get!
 

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My floor is down, I will pull the rivets i have in down the center and fill the holes and fair all joints and foam holes in so the floor is flat and go with a one piece floor. Re rivet after the nautolex is in, the stern to bow outside edges will get stapled then the side panels go on and there will be an aluminum angle screwed to the floor and side panel bottom with a bead of 3M 5200 behind it.
Hi Mag, I'm not sure I understand your process. Some folks put the floor down in sections with the screws/rivets showing which is good for access later, but is not as leak-proof and could be argued leaves potentially ugly fasteners showing. Others put the floor down with countersunk rivets, fill the holes and put Nautolex down in one piece giving a cleaner and more waterproof installation, but more difficult to access the bilge if you needed to.

If I'm reading your planned process correctly, you're putting the Nautolex down in one piece on a floating floor, then installing the rivets that will now pierce and mar the waterproof surface and then use "permanent" 5200 when you secure the sidewalls. This method sounds like you're incorporating the worst traits of both processes and getting none of the benefits. - Grandad
 

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Hi Mag, I'm not sure I understand your process. Some folks put the floor down in sections with the screws/rivets showing which is good for access later, but is not as leak-proof and could be argued leaves potentially ugly fasteners showing. Others put the floor down with countersunk rivets, fill the holes and put Nautolex down in one piece giving a cleaner and more waterproof installation, but more difficult to access the bilge if you needed to.

If I'm reading your planned process correctly, you're putting the Nautolex down in one piece on a floating floor, then installing the rivets that will now pierce and mar the waterproof surface and then use "permanent" 5200 when you secure the sidewalls. This method sounds like you're incorporating the worst traits of both processes and getting none of the benefits. - Grandad

Thats what I was thinking also, not well thought through yet.
 

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This is what I am also struggling with. I want to do the sections so that I can roll the vinyl over the edges and staple it, because I can't access the edges with a stapler if I put the vinyl down after securing the floor. Though, my bilge and livewell aerator will be acceible regardless of what method I use. If you do the one piece approach do you just staple the vinyl at the very edges of the plywood floor? What would you recommend Grandad?
 

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This is what I am also struggling with. I want to do the sections so that I can roll the vinyl over the edges and staple it, because I can't access the edges with a stapler if I put the vinyl down after securing the floor. Though, my bilge and livewell aerator will be acceible regardless of what method I use. If you do the one piece approach do you just staple the vinyl at the very edges of the plywood floor? What would you recommend Grandad?

I'm in the same boat...going to cover my deck with one piece of vinyl.

I plan on a piece on 1/4" x 3/4" aluminum riveted down around the perimeter. All but 24" on each side (from consoles back to side panels) will show. But, I'm thinking I may be able to leave a flap of carpet from the sides to cover them also...
 

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This week is not going as planned, seem to have gotten my yearly spring pollen dose of bronchitis, just struggled to do my job since Monday let alone any boat work, have been enjoying the tea though,;)

Had a nice ups care pack show up today!

AHH, got some cold feet on the color all of a sudden, will be nice and cool on the feet, real worried about keeping it clean though, Committed to it now!

May have to do a chunk of snap in where the bleeding happens and wash it post trip.
 

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Nice looking Nautalex Mag. My method for the floor and vinyl (right?? or wrong??) I use large head 3/16 rivets to the stringers and the end of the ribs, not countersunk. Then I glue my vinyl down over top and fun it up the side of the hull about 3 inchs. Then my side panels come down to the floor, meaning all water will be shed to the bilge. If I ever have to access the hull I can draw a center line on the stringer rivets make a straight cut in the vinyl pull it back a little, drill the rivets, then cut out and access section of deck, do the needed repairs seal the deck cut out and re-fasten everything.
 

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Nice looking Nautalex Mag. My method for the floor and vinyl (right?? or wrong??) I use large head 3/16 rivets to the stringers and the end of the ribs, not countersunk. Then I glue my vinyl down over top and fun it up the side of the hull about 3 inchs. Then my side panels come down to the floor, meaning all water will be shed to the bilge. If I ever have to access the hull I can draw a center line on the stringer rivets make a straight cut in the vinyl pull it back a little, drill the rivets, then cut out and access section of deck, do the needed repairs seal the deck cut out and re-fasten everything.

No problems with "bubbling" around the rivet heads?????
 

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This is what I am also struggling with. I want to do the sections so that I can roll the vinyl over the edges and staple it, because I can't access the edges with a stapler if I put the vinyl down after securing the floor. Though, my bilge and livewell aerator will be acceible regardless of what method I use. If you do the one piece approach do you just staple the vinyl at the very edges of the plywood floor? What would you recommend Grandad?
We'd better not hijack Mag's thread, but perhaps my reply will help Mag out as well in deciding. I decided that looks and water-tightness was more important than access to the bilge, considering this was the first access need in 40 years on my '72 Holiday. If I need to replace a rivet, I'll use closed end blind rivet replacements so access should be unnecessary.
Things worked out well for me doing it like this:
Installed all the plywood and countersunk the rivet heads securing the floor to stringers and filled the dimples.
Applied Nautolex as one piece, installing SS staples close together all along the edges, leaving extra 2" curled up the hull sides.
Covered the staples with the aluminum "baseboard" of the sidewalls and screwed them down to the floor.

The area forward of the sidewalls is a potential problem area, since you don't want staples showing. I did mine the same as the Starcraft elves did; just stuck it down and hoped for the best. My 40 year old original had shrunk and was loose where the floor meets the hull, but the new stuff is still down after 2 years. You could add a piece of aluminum strip on top, but where the hull curves, it'll be awkward because of the curve. Immediately above this curved area, there is no smooth sidewall surface to glue the floor to anyway. The only thing I'd do differently would be to add a thin aluminum sheet against the forward hull side ribs to provide a gluing surface for this trouble spot. - Grandad
 

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No hijack going on here, just a good discussion on flooring how to's. totally relevent in my opinion.
 

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looks good

MD - Sounds like someone important likes it. :)

All the Nautalex users here say that fish blood clean-up is a snap. They just hose it out. You could forget about fishing and keep a pristine boat. :rolleyes:
 

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MD - Sounds like someone important likes it. :) Always good news!!

All the Nautalex users here say that fish blood clean-up is a snap. They just hose it out. You could forget about fishing and keep a pristine boat. :rolleyes:

Prolly not gonna stay pristine!!!
 
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