Man vs. Boat (season 1).

[archbuilder]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

yeah watch out for the nuts and foreign objects in the intake. I worked with a guy who dropped a nut into the 350 he just rebuilt...amazing the damage a grade 8 nut can do! Looks like you are moving along, don't get in a hurry....just do it at your pace and get it right! You will be happy in the long run.

 

[StevenT]

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Bear, thanks for stopping by... Man, that Cobalt drive took you off the grid for awhile.. Hope you won that battle!

So, here is where I am... Oops said, I could get the stringers done in 8 hours... Yeah, I've sort of blown that goal... I would have been fired about 5 months ago if I was in a production line... It is sort of frustrating not see more progress - especially since my glassin friends (sphelps, Trooper82 and GT100000) have geared it into overdrive and are flying past me... I think once I get the deck in, get it foamed, flip it and paint it, then I'm going to put it back on the roller trailer and bring it home... I imagine I'll move faster through the finishing stages being able to work on it at home.

Thanks for posting the video. It gave me some ideas for my restore.

 

[Trooper82]

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You should have the strings done by now don't ya?

I heard you say you are waiting on a tank before doing the bulkheads....what are the dimensions on that tank?

I might be in the market for one....and you are not too far away

 

[Pmccraney]

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Been awhile since I updated the thread... Here is a little video that shows what I am up to right now...

Hope everyone is well!

~rpm

 

[74bayliner]

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very nice progress sir! i hope to catch up soon just waiting on the completion of my engine lol!

 

[Trooper82]

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Looking good Patrick! I like the idea of a board going across for more support. Have fun cutting things to height

 

[archbuilder]

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Good to see the update Patrick. I sure would try to figure out how to get things cut to height before you get them installed...that will be a chore on down the road. I have the gauge in my truck by the way....if my clients ever leave me alone for 5 minutes I will get it headed your way! Keep up the good work!

 

[Pmccraney]

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very nice progress sir! i hope to catch up soon just waiting on the completion of my engine lol!

Thanks 74 - appreciate you stopping by... I still have a long way to go, but its been enjoyable at least seeing a little progress on the put-back/lay-out, etc.....

Looking good Patrick! I like the idea of a board going across for more support. Have fun cutting things to height

Thanks Troy, - wish I could take credit for it - my boat had a couple of those from the factory.... The are supported by the stringers and the foam and provide an additional place to screw things into without having to go into your stringers or cleats...

Good to see the update Patrick. I sure would try to figure out how to get things cut to height before you get them installed...that will be a chore on down the road. I have the gauge in my truck by the way....if my clients ever leave me alone for 5 minutes I will get it headed your way! Keep up the good work!

Thank you again on the gauge... no worries on time, as I obviously have light years before I get to that stage... You raise a good point about cutting things to height.... I know FRISCO cut his after it was bedded and installed using a skill saw.... However, I agree that it would be nicer/easier to not have to cut all those boards in the boat.... Thoughts/Recommendations? Trooper - how did you cut yours?

Thanks fellsas..

 

[jasoutside]

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Fat butt?

I was thinking more fluffy?? Or, big boned maybe?

Well, good move on the fluff support

 

[oops!]

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hi pm..... just got my puter back from the repair place......lol.... im wearing it out quick

any how.... as far as cutting the stringers to height.

easy...... do you have a laser level?

if not....string line......
make sure the hull is level in relation to the floor of the building you are working in (if the floor is not level....compensate)
the chines should be the same distance from the floor. the keel should be level as well.

start at the aft corner of the hull and work out toward the center and forward.....

you want to make a small triangle between the side of the hull, the side of the stringer, and the farthest point forward to closest bulkhead
the reference point on the aft hull corner (point A)
the stringer, at the contact point to the transom (point B)
and farthest forward on your stringer to the closest bulkhead (point C)

this triangle represents your under deck height.

take your deck height reference from the inner sides of the hull....you can guesstimate here....
its ok to be out one or two inches up or down.
but the lower you go....the more free board you will have as well.... you will have a slightly lower center of gravity.
this height must also take into consideration the height of your belly style gas tank.

this reference point on the side of the hull (point A) is the "constant point of reference" so attach a string line to that point.

then measure the deck height from the keel, up the stringer.....(point B)
put your string line from point A to point B on your closest stringer......make sure its level
....then from point A and point B...........establish point C by means of a level string line from A to C and level from B to C.
point C should be at the nearest bulkhead.
(dont worry about the height of point C from the hull, this will change fractionally as you move forward up the hull)
this line.....from point B to point C may be only inches long.....possibly 24 to 30 inches)

this level line on your stringer form point B to point C is your cut line.

before you cut.....
mirror your work on the opposite side of the hull.

make sure both point As are the same distance form the chine up the side of the hull, and you point Bs are the same distance from the keel up to deck height.

if both point As and point Bs are the same height.... your deck should be level and correct

and do your best to get this line from each side of the hull level (with the stringers in the way.. its tough but if the distance up from the chine to the under deck height, and from the keel to closest stringer on both hides is the same....you are very very close.

one last thing before you cut......
stand back and look at the lines....make sure you have not totally pooched this job. again take into account gas tank height...

if you are too low.....raise the deck height an inch or two....(or lower it)

(this is alot to explain...but its only about 10 minits work)

now cut the stringer from point B to point C. (use a skill saw)

now that the first cut is done....take the string line (originating at point A) and lay it over the stringer you just cut. pull it tight and have it touch the top of the cut.
establish a new point B on the other stringer. and a new point C draw your line form point B to C and cut.
(this is the stringer that you mirrored....but your work is on the opposite side of the stringer. so your point Bs and Cs are on opposite sides of the face of the stringer. make sure these marks are close.
then cut.....

you should now be able to touch both point As together and have the string line touch the top of the stringer.

that is your deck height at the back of the boat.

now..... by using the string line from point A on the opposite side of the boat, making sure that the string line touches the top of both stringers .....you can mark each bulkhead by making new point Bs and Cs and using a straight edge or level to mark the line.
point B is usually where you left off cutting.

you will be cutting out small sections at a time......on the opposite sides of the boat from the point A string line.

once you have the first sections cut to height.....you can fly through the rest.

total time on the job is less than 2 hours. (actually less than one.....but it depends on the amount of beer you drank before hand)

 

[archbuilder]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Looks like to me you have the stringers screwed to each other? If so you might look at post #27 of mine on how I determined / marked the height of mine. I didn't really have much choice on cutting mine in the boat since it was glass and seacast. But it was really easy with a die grinder. I'm assuming your deck will sit on that flat looking chine? If so you could put blocks on the chines, set a strait edge on them and measure down to establish your stringer height. After that take them out, cut the and carefully install them in the same place.

 

[Pmccraney]

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hi pm..... just got my puter back from the repair place......lol.... im wearing it out quick

any how.... as far as cutting the stringers to height.

easy...... do you have a laser level?

Oops, as always, I really appreciate you taking the time to write all that down, but you lost me at about laser level... Ummm...Ughhh..

I still have the lip from my former deck in there... I was just going to just that as my deck height and get a custom gas tank that fits within that height... Couldn't I just run a string line from deck height to deck height across the bulkhead that is at the front of engine box (make sure its reasonably level), snap it, mark a line 3/4 inch below that (because I am using 3/4 for deck) and cut??? Or is that over-simplifying it? I have also marked deck height on the transom with a line. I could just run that line up the stringer to the bulk-head I just cut...

Looks like to me you have the stringers screwed to each other?

No, they are just resting there right now... I just placed them where I wanted them and they somehow all magically stayed in place and did not fall over when I climbed out of the boat to snap the video...

I'm assuming your deck will sit on that flat looking chine? If so you could put blocks on the chines, set a strait edge on them and measure down to establish your stringer height. After that take them out, cut the and carefully install them in the same place.

Yes the deck is going to rest on the chine that looks flat right below where you can still see the lip from the former deck... Not sure I follow... I'm sort of slow on the uptake today... I'll pm you...

Thanks guys.

 

[jbcurt00]

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can't seem to figure out how to pm from the new mobile site. you can call me at xxxxxx to talk it through . I'll edit my number out shortly

 

[oops!]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

I still have the lip from my former deck in there... I was just going to just that as my deck height and get a custom gas tank that fits within that height... Couldn't I just run a string line from deck height to deck height across the bulkhead that is at the front of engine box (make sure its reasonably level), snap it, mark a line 3/4 inch below that (because I am using 3/4 for deck) and cut??? Or is that over-simplifying it? I have also marked deck height on the transom with a line. I could just run that line up the stringer to the bulk-head I just cut...
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yes you can...... but if the un cut stringers are in the way of the chalk line you have no point of reference as you get closer to the stringers. as the chalk line will be above under deck height.

the same with the bulkheads.....if you run your string line forward....you have no reference point coming off the side hull,

but basically patrick.... this is a pretty simple thing......i know a guy with your grey matter can figgure this out with ease.

even if you were to measure up from the lip......run a string line across from lip to lip....but higher than your existing stringers, then measure down from the string line taking into account the extra height you added to get over the existing stringers.

but either way this job will only take you an hour or two.....

i can already hear the theme from rocky playing on the vid as we see you using the circ saw in the stringers in high speed.

 

[sphelps]

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Could you do this if you had access to a rotating laser level ? Just set it up on a tripod use a story pole to set the hgt perfectly level. Use it to set your chine and keel level first. When a boat sits in the water are the keel and the deck supposed to be level or parallel with each other? Just wondering.

 

[Marada92]

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I actually managed to pull it off with a string line stretched across from each lip.. Was it the best way... No... Did it work... Well when I lay a piece of plywood across it now it tucks right up under the old deck lip. But all we did was cut the stringers down to where we knew they were still above the old deck height but not by much... Where we ran the string from each side we knotched the stringer out until the line could be pulled tight and it didn't touch anywhere. Once that was accomplished we simply marked the stringer at the line then did it at the other end of the stringer... Pulled it out.. Measured down from the marks 1" which allowed for 3/4" decking plus another 1/4" which is how much I raised the stringers off the hull. Like I said.. It probably wasn't the best nor most logical way... But somehow it worked! Upholds the saying there's nothing a redneck can't do with a roll of string and some duct tape!

 

[Pmccraney]

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Upholds the saying there's nothing a redneck can't do with a roll of string and some duct tape!

...And WD-40... Anything besides these 3 items and you probably have too many tools...

Where we ran the string from each side we knotched the stringer out until the line could be pulled tight and it didn't touch anywhere. Once that was accomplished we simply marked the stringer at the line then did it at the other end of the stringer...

Hah, Great redneck minds must think alike...That is basically how I was planning on doing it. ONly difference is I was going to notch down the stringers until I could go across my bulkheads...

I really appreciate all the help and input guys... From Oops email, to my conversion with Trooper (nice talking to you today) to suggestions from Arch, it inspires a lot of confidence knowing you have so many people following along and and trying their best to keep you from screwing up... JB, pm me your number... I was not able to get it before you edited the post. Love to chew the fat with you on this and other random boat topics...

Have a good evening fellas... Hopefully I can sneak away to the shop a little bit tomorrow...

 

[Marada92]

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I'm with you on the moving the boat so you can work on it at the house also Patrick. Mine is about 20 mins away a family members house... Simply no way I could store it here. But it seems like everytime I get to work I realize I forgot some tool that I really needed at home! Drove all the way over there once to dewinterize the boat.. Only to realize I left the battery sitting at the house! It gets better though man don't worry.. Your doing great and like someone else said... It's better to take everything slow and know its done right rather than throw it all together and hope its right!

 

[Trooper82]

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Just checking in PMC. You get the stringers cut to height yet?

 

[Brenn]

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It took a few days but i read through the whole thread.Great thread and I hope everything is still going good for you with the stringers.