"Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

[Woodonglass]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

10 qts of Cabosil...NOT Talc Each Quart of PB will take about a quart of Cabosil to make PB
1 lb of 1/4" Chopped Strand
15 Gallons of Resin

Glue the transom to the outer skin with PB Check the first link in my signature below. It has the details you're looking for.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

10 qts of Cabosil...NOT Talc Each Quart of PB will take about a quart of Cabosil to make PB
1 lb of 1/4" Chopped Strand
15 Gallons of Resin

Glue the transom to the outer skin with PB Check the first link in my signature below. It has the details you're looking for.

I have read through your transom and stringer thread at least 100 times probably more. I wanted to make sure I do not miss anything. Can you substitute milled fibers for the cabosil. I was talking to a shop yesterday that was telling me that cabosil with poly resin can make it brittle and hard to sand and recommended me you milled fibers. Is that just a sales pitch?

Your info really does help, I know that my small budget to start makes it tough but I wanted to get started at least and try to start putting pieces back in the boat finally.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

Poly resin must have something added to it in order to BIND the molecules together. Cabosil, Milled Fibers, Glass bubbles all kind of things. The application/usage of the thickened resin dictates the mix. If you are wanting to just make glue then Resin and cabosil is all that's needed. If you want a bit more structural strength add some milled fibers. If you want it to be structural but easier to sand use milled fibers and Glass bubbles. If you want it Seriously strong then use cabosil and glass strands to make "Tiger Hair" or Hairy PB. Different applications dictate different mixes.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

Ok so for the transom to hull just use resin and cabosil, and for fillets, gaps and filling oops mistakes use the tiger hair. Man trying to buy a tiger in Kansas is going to be expensive.

WOG your in OK do you have a supplier close to you. Here in Kansas there is nothing around. Closest one is 2.5 hours away and there prices are near double uscomposites.com.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

Ok so for the transom to hull just use resin and cabosil, and for fillets, gaps and filling oops mistakes use the tiger hair. Man trying to buy a tiger in Kansas is going to be expensive.

WOG your in OK do you have a supplier close to you. Here in Kansas there is nothing around. Closest one is 2.5 hours away and there prices are near double uscomposites.com.

Yeah those Tigers are a bit pricey. For gluing the Transom, I still add a heaping tablespoon if fibers to the GLUE. Just to make sure I got a bit more strength in the mix. That's just me. No local suppliers in Tulsa, but as you know GT1000000 has found a new supplier with great prices. My next purchase WILL be from them as soon as they get everything squared away.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

yup I have already called them and their prices are fantastic I am currently working on trying to get my shipping worked out as they really dont have a shipper to use. Im hoping that the guy that I am talking to would end up being there contracted shipper. That would be pretty cool

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

I have done the math and the shipment would weigh 180lbs. I have gotten a quote to ship in the amount of $341. Thats almost more then the order.

However, I have a quote from a guy for $145 I am trying to see how much it would cost for UScomposites to send the same products to see if thats worth it or not.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

USC shipping for that order weight would be approx. $160. $75 for the Hazmat fee and $85 for UPS. That's just a Guess-ti-Mate based on my past experiences. HazMat is the killer!!! I wish I could find a Resin dealer locally but... No such luck.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

2.5 hours from me for the nearest resin dealer at $146 per 5 gal. I am thinking if I can get a quote or talk someone into $100, I'm gonna have to jump on that.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

I have even tried to piece together my order from flea bay, and I can't even beat the prices of GT1M's hookup. Man I wish I lived closer, that would be unreal.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

I hear ya!!! Us LandLocked midwesterners PAY for living under the stars!!!!

 

[Bill3434]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

Just read your thread after you comments on mine. I'm ordered my stuff from USComposites as I need them don't want to waste anything besides I might change something. They are real quick about getting your order and sending it the same day. My second order I sent in on a Sunday and it was here in Kansas on Friday which is great cause I work on my boat primarily on the weekends. I haven't found anyone that beats their prices, thier shipping charges were a little more than I was hoping but thier customer service has been great so far. Like you there is nothing around here locally in Kansas. You mention resin or fiberglass you get something that says BONDO with a boat in the picture. The guy that works on my motor and my boat says he can't get resin cheaper than USComposites, I think he is going to start ordering from them. I gave him a copy of my first order he looked it and his eyes got really big.

P.S. Just looked at my first order wieghed 85lbs; shipping was 109.77. Shipped in 5 boxes.

I have even tried to piece together my order from flea bay, and I can't even beat the prices of GT1M's hookup. Man I wish I lived closer, that would be unreal.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

One 5 gal pail weighs 44.5 lbs I need 3 of them that is the problem with shipping. I would be interested to see your list also. I wish I could get resin at a cheaper rate then 190 around here then I would not be so frustrated. How large is your boat. mines 18ft.

 

[Bill3434]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

Check you inbox so I can send it to you.

One 5 gal pail weighs 44.5 lbs I need 3 of them that is the problem with shipping. I would be interested to see your list also. I wish I could get resin at a cheaper rate then 190 around here then I would not be so frustrated. How large is your boat. mines 18ft.

 

[Bill3434]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

I sent it. Let me know if you got it. I'm with a sick mom so things maybe a little slow.

Check you inbox so I can send it to you.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

Getting ready to start putting everything back in, I got the transom Cut and laminated now, I just need to fix some holes that were put in the hull. I'm curious exactly how to go about fixing a couple of these. I know to make sure that its sanded and cleaned with acetone on both sides. here is what I am working with.

This is the underside.

What i was going to do and bear with me this may sound crazy and probably not the right way. But I was going to take a 2" 1708 (the with of the cut and fold it like a dollar bill and put the fold inside the cut and then have the tabs tabbed to the hull. Thats all from the top side.

Other theory and probably the right one is just take 1708 make it 1" wider all the way around then do another piece of 1708 2" larger then the whole area and then PB from the underside. Am I complicating the simple by doing the first way.

Also I have a hole about the size of a small nail head in the back of the boat I was just going to fill it with PB but it is in the bottom of the hull, so I figured I would still need to use some 1708 to cover that also. Or is there a better way.

 

[glenn property of pam]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

grind the inside down about 1-2 inchs around the cut then tape the outside with ducktape and put a very small amount (tee spoon or less) of pb then csm-1708-csm-1708 start with a small piece and patch larger every layer. then sand the outside to flush the pb. color match with car touch up or nail varnish blending the edge so the eye can not follow it. if the inside is under a stringer or something else thats solid then 2 layers will be fine as it will get another few layers as you build the stringers/transom back in. if its in a stress point then 4 layers min with a final large layer to ensure a good bond to the hull. i personally prefer to do this kinda of repair just before i have something that will require pb ready to go so if i mix to much resin then i will just turn the left over into pb and fillet a edge somewhere rather than waste the resin

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

thanks for your explanation, I am repainting the whole outside so its all going to get sanded anyways. My plan is to fix all of the holes at the same time, so PB will not get wasted.

I have a place though, sorry no picture, that you can see where the glass is broken white in color. But it did not go through the hull, whats the best way to fix this. Do I just grind until the white is all gone and then do the same steps as above?

Also what about filling all of the bilge holes, I think I saw GT1M do this I may go back through his thread and find it.

I ordered all of my supplies on Saturday. One problem that I had when I placed my order was that they did not have glass bubbles but the did have q-cell. So I got those will the two work the same or did I just purchase something that I will not need to use.

Here was my shopping list

25 yd 1.5 csm
18 yd 1708
4lb 1/4" chop
4 gal cabosil
4 gal q-cell
2 detail rollers

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

Q Cells are not for Below Waterline use. They will work to make fairing material for above but not below. 4lbs of chop is a LOT. You only need about 1/4 cup per quart of resin when making PB. Not sure I understand what you mean by filling the bilge holes. The Bilge MUST have holes to allow water to drain into it from under the deck and then a hole thru the transom to let it drain out. I would not fill them unless I am misunderstanding the question. Any cuts or gouges in the hull are handled the same. Grind and feather. Tape the outside, fill with PB and smooth. CSM, 1708 on the inside for small ones, 2 layers of 1708 for larger ones. Outside, grind and feather, 2 layers of CSM, Sand, and fair.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: "Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

I was gonna fill some of the bilge holes because the boat has 8 of them. Thought that was a little excessive, was going to fill a couple of them and make less places for water to get in.

So q-cell was not the right decision. Nuts..... My plan was to make think PB for everything just for security. I know im gonna need it to attach the transom, fill and fix about 10 holes and cuts, bed the stringers, fillets, and may be try some to see how it tastes. Ok maybe not the last part.

I am sure that I am thinking way to much about this since I can't actually do anything yet, all I can do is guess. Maybe I will just go buy some glass bubbles and try to sell the q-cell. I will just wait till I get my supplies before asking anymore questions. I am over analyzing I think.