Yeah it is insane. The guy that sold me this is not going to enjoy his return from vacation next week... I'm gonna be up one side of him and down the other. Thank goodness nearly every trip was no more then two minutes with a long interval before I returned to shore. There was only one long trip and that was the last one that I explained in my post. I guess I'll know the extent of damage, if any, within the next two days (keeping my fingers and toes crossed and praying like a saintthat is insane...NO OIL lmao i hope it works ok still
That's crazy PS94! At 14, if it runs at all, then there's nothing wrong. lol And it's still running! Unbelievable!You may have shortened her life, but I would worry too much about it....I had an old oil injected bike back in the day, and melted the oil line shut....that poor machine would heat seize, then I'd kick it down a gear or two, and it would un seize, and it'd run for 5-10 more mins....and do it again.....then run great after an hour or so....being 14, I didn't think too much about it....I mean, it had oil in the tank! lol. After about a dozen of these trips, I found the melted line, and replaced and rerouted it....It ran strong for years, and my friends nephew is STILL riding it....
Thanks lncoop. I'll take all the GOOD luck I can get right now since my luck has been so crappy lately.Holy Schneikes what a thread! We're all pulling for you. Good luck!
That makes sense RicMic, but I'm curious about that last statement. By specific 50:1 two stroke o/b oil do you mean a specific brand/type or specifications?On engines that use premix, whatever ratio they call for is the max that is needed, if for instance you are just trolling all day, you don't need as much oil,(hence extra smoke), but there is no way to control the ratio. In fact I don't know if it still does, but some of the manuals used to call for using double oil, if you didn't have the specific 50:1 two stroke o/b oil.
Yep, I know it's a fast little beast. The first time that I opened it up, it surprised the crap out of me at how fast it took off. And then I tried a small direction adjustment and had to back off a bit. The mechanic had set the auto-pilot lever all the way to the left (tight) so when I moved the tiller I over-compensated and it felt like it could flip very easily.This is a great post....the guy that sold the motor to you, WOW! I can't even begin to think what I would say to him. You did get a GREAT motor though, provided it's ok. Runs faster than any Johnnyrude, Yamaha, Nissan ever will. Idles a bit rough, may kick and spit sitting there but MAN the top end and acceleration that thing has, and a short shaft at that. My 89' short shaft will beat the 98' long shaft that I have in the pic on my earlier post. I was looking at the pic of the front of the motor, at the filter sight bowl by the pull cord, and with oil it should be blue gray looking. Make sure you unscrew that bowl and dump the gas out, and purge the line so you can start fresh with new oil/gas mix. Please post the compression test results and outcome of the motor, and i'm sure people following this will love to hear what you tell the guy who sold it to you. Keep us posted.
Ah. I kinda thought that's what you meant but I just wanted to be sure. I've made enough mistakes here lately taking things for granted. :redface: Thanks.They mean if you HAVE to use a regular automotive type oil instead of a 50-1 outboard oil.
Silvertip, I am in fact bigger than him at 6'4" and around 200 pounds (and in pretty good shape for my age), but I'm not planning on getting physical with him. I only fight when there is no alternative. But I AM planning on confronting him on the misinformation and if he denies it, I will give him a piece of my mind in no uncertain terms. The guy is a salesman at that marina and has been for years. Now maybe he was misinformed by his friend and never actually laid-eyes on the motor, or maybe he had something else on his mind and simply said the wrong thing while preoccupied. Honestly, I don't believe it was intentional but the fact remains that he stated to me that it was a 4-stroke and I had no reason to doubt him. Let me explain...I hope you are bigger than he is because YOU bought the engine not having a clue what you were buying. This then forces the seller into being a "mind reader" having to remember to tell you everything you don't know about engines. Come on -- educate yourself before you set out to buy stuff. I once got behind dude at Home Depot checkout who had a brand new LawnBoy mower and one quart of 10W30 motor oil in the cart. Knowing what the answer would be I asked him if the oil was for the mower. His answer was yup. I asked him if he knew what the difference was between a two stroke and a four stroke. Nope was the answer. Not even after that did he give any thought to this purchase. I relented and told him he had the wrong oil, needed two stroke oil and that it was not added to the engine since LawnBoys are two strokes and oil is mixed with the fuel. Oh he said and went back on got the correct oil. Had I not quizzed this quy he would have destroyed the engine as he sure as heck wouldn't read the manual until after the fact and then returned it for another only to destroy that one and then grumble because LawnBoys are a POS. I'm not aware of any Merc engine that is a four-stroke that doesn't say four stroke on the cover. If you look at the engine tune-up tag under the cowl you will likely find a dip stick and oil fill cap and some will even have the oil type on the cap. Two strokes simply don't have that stuff and they also have camshafts that occupy the area around the spark plugs. The pictures in this thread show the very typical two stroke head. Flat as a pancake with a plug in the middle. Unmistakeable two-stroke.
Thanks for the info milehighboater. I did buy the best that the marina had - Conoco XHP - and it is a tcw3 oil. I am planning on getting the mix back to the 50:1 ratio after a trip over to the cabin and back which is only a run time of about 1 1/2 to 2 minutes one way. I figured just one trip should be enough to make sure everything has a good coating of oil again. That's why I added the oil (about 12 oz.) to just 3 gallons of gas giving me about 30:1 or 35:1. I bought another 3 gallons in a seperate container so that I can top it off and adjust the mixture with another 4 oz giving me the 50:1.Just a note with the oil, the motor takes a TCW3 oil, not just any two stroke. Get a decent oil like quicksilver or valvoline tcw3. I would stick with the 50:1, this motor is not being broken in and the more oil you put in the gas the leaner the mixture becomes. Lean motors melt cylinders...
Get the motor running and post back about the "lack of thrust" while over reving. I'm a bit confused about that one seeing they are direct drive motors, no clutch or torque converters. If it is in gear, the prop will spin at the same speed as the RPMs are... given the 1:2 gear ratio or whichever it is.
Just a note with the oil, the motor takes a TCW3 oil, not just any two stroke. Get a decent oil like quicksilver or valvoline tcw3. I would stick with the 50:1, this motor is not being broken in and the more oil you put in the gas the leaner the mixture becomes. Lean motors melt cylinders...
Get the motor running and post back about the "lack of thrust" while over reving. I'm a bit confused about that one seeing they are direct drive motors, no clutch or torque converters. If it is in gear, the prop will spin at the same speed as the RPMs are... given the 1:2 gear ratio or whichever it is.
You can lean out a motor with using too much oil in the mix... I think. Here is my rational. The carbs are only going to pull in a set amount of a premixed liquid; the more oil in the mix the less gasoline there will be. Therefore not allowing enough fuel into the cylinders and leaning out the mixture and raising the combustion temperature. Because the oil does not burn nearly as efficiently as the gas it will not consume the O2 in the cylinder like the gas would... therefore again raising the oxygen to fuel ratio and making the mixture lean. Granted engine damage is probably only going to be caused by either extremely heavy mixtures or prolonged running at a high ratio but either way the final situation is a high combustion temperature, increased carbon build-up, and eventually failure of the piston or rings aka a lean running condition.
But I will stand corrected, lean conditions do melt the pistons not the cylinders.