Mexicans striking

QC

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Yup, the real you . . . ;)
 

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br /> It will survive without illegals, & it pizzes me off when I hear people say that it will come to a grinding halt 'cuz no one will pick fruit or flip burgers or be janitors or mow lawns....<br />These should be entry level jobs for high school kids, not carreers.....<br />We indulge our youth so they don't have to work, & entitle others who don't want to....<br />Carp! There I go exposing my soft conservative underbelly again :eek: :D .....JK
Well said HM! WOW ;) <br />Daughter and Hubby are comming up from Portland Sunday and I'm taking them Pikes Place Market for a treat.. then ofcourse the Freemont Troll and wooden boat Center :D
 

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Enjoy the boat center while you can.....<br />It's going away to make room for "Allentown" :( ...JK
 

--GQ--

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No entiendo inglés. Dígalo por favor en español. Aquí estoy buscando el trabajo. ¿Puede usted ayudarme por favor? ;) ;) <br /><br /><br />Glad i took spanish in High School. I would be in trouble right now. It seems everywhere I turn, our friends across the border are taking over jobs.
 

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At this rate we will be working for the benefit of Mexico in the near future.<br /><br /><br />Just stating the facts folks.
 

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depends on what the job is.<br /> I have a lot of friends with 4-6 yer degrees in various fields, most cant make over 38K a year with it.<br />and most would not frame a house,pour concrete nor pump septic tanks for a living.<br /> however all can be very good paying jobs if you learn the trade and always do the job better than the last time.<br /> its amazing how much technical programs in schools have been watered down or eliminated some get canned in favor of a new football stadium.<br /> a well trained tech takes 10 years or so, a machinist that I could walk out and hand a blue print to and tell him the saw shed code for the materiel and walk away from takes about 10 years to train, that means ya only get about 10 years at the top.<br /> a general carpenter/framer and concrete tech takes about the same. we wont even get into plumbing and electrical or HVAC. seems to many of our college grads come out without any actual skills to create things.<br />so now we have a large unskilled workforce competeing for jobs in the 17-25K range which is starting range for many fields and folks are mad.<br />however the illegals have as slight edge sometimes due to hunger.<br />they sometimes understand the value of training and the ability to catch on and catch on quick.<br /> I have trained a few, most would show up early or stay late with me to learn,even if it was on their time not company time.<br /> I got most my knowledge the hard way, I spend and spent hours and hours teaching myself my trade with various manuals and tech writings at libraries all over the US. I spent 6 years in the US navy's advanced electronics field, graduated top of my class in BE/E,FC(A)and FC (C) schools as well as a host of shorter schools I managed to grab.watched a lot of others fail, not because it was hard but because it required self motivation to learn. in the 80's I taught myself how to program and set up CNC lathes and mills. not because its cool but because programmers made more than operators.<br />and that was my edge, I was hungrier than most the rest.<br />navy said to get more money I had to advance paygrades. to advance paygrades ya had to pass tests. to pass tests you had to learn.<br /> in the navy when you take an advancement test you and every other sailor going for that paygrade in that job skill takes the same test on the same day,<br /> if 4 slots are open for advancement the top 4 get advanced the rest get passed not advanced points for the next cycle.<br /> thats how I went from E-1 to E-5 in 3 years,<br /> I studied.<br /> right now there is a kid I am trying to train, I am giving up.<br /> he refuses to read.<br /> he wants the answers handed to him and I am not gonna do it.<br /> he asks a question and gets mad when I reply with a question.<br />yet he refuses to get the manual out and answer my question.<br /> sorry about the long rant but a job is just that. its a job.<br /> if someone can do it as well as you for less money who is gonna get that job? the key is to improve your skill making you more valuable than the next guy.<br /> and only one way to improve is to make a point to learn at least 1 new thing everyday.
 

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I agree 100% about motivation and learning to attain the level where monitary compensation is satisfactory. (learn much to make much)<br /><br />I like the person who gains the certifications and licences AND works down in the trenches with the guys teaching along the way. That is when higher management work and decisions are complete.<br /><br />What I don't like is the licence holder who lets everyone else do the work without so much as an inspection. Just signs off the work someone else does.
 

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Rodbolt, I can appreciate what you're saying about people who won't put forth any effort. I've trained hundreds of so-called technicians in cellular repair, and only about 5 to 10 percent are worth killin'. The vast majority can't get out of the whisper-the-magic-words-in-my-ear mode. They insist on being told what part to change if the phone fails this test, what part to change if it fails that test...when told that it doesn't necessarily work like that, their eyes glaze over. And it's not just native-born white kids who are like that. Very few technicians have the right temperment or motivation required to become an ace tech.<br /><br />I'll never buy the line that "Americans just won't do those jobs." I do agree that folks' values are in need of a serious adjustment, but that doesn't seem to happen until all the other choices are used up. The way we value labor has become perverted, and a serious reality check is going to be necessary to get things straightened out.
 
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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> <br />I'll never buy the line that "Americans just won't do those jobs." I do agree that folks' values are in need of a serious adjustment, but that doesn't seem to happen until all the other choices are used up. The way we value labor has become perverted, and a serious reality check is going to be necessary to get things straightened out.
"and the local men are lazy <br />and they cause to much of trouble<br />Besides we'd have to pay them double."<br />BRACERO, Phil Ochs (1960's)
 

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When did this site become so conservative? It must be GW..... :D
 

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It's funny how we find common ground when no one is identifying with one party or the other, isn't it?
 

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I have no party affiliation.<br /> in my opinion boyh are filled with fools that have to much time and money and are no longer doing a job for common intrests.<br /> if we eliminate the salary and retirement bennies and go back to the way congress and senate was supposed to run and just pay expenses you would see a lot leave.<br /> however the illegal crossings are NOT going to stop until we,the international community, do something about the corperate rape and explotation of latin america and do something about the corruption of their govts.<br />until then desperate peoples will do desperate acts.<br /> exactly how to accomplish that I really dont know, maybe by spending a bit more on peaceful enterprise and a tad less on starwars type crapola that is rather meaningless.<br />maybe by imposing some tarriffs with teeth on products not manufactured using US labor and environmental laws and spending the tarriff moneys improving work/living conditions south of the US.<br /> ya just cannot convince me the average honduran,mexican,cuban leaves everything and faces a serious risk of death because they are not desperate.<br /> they are doing nothing not a single poster on this board would not do if they had been born a couple thousand miles futher south.<br /> maybe we could start by cleaning some of the corruption/failures of our own bueacracy. I mean come on they say there is like a 10 yr backlog of paperwork processing now and its only getting worse.<br />like I say I dont know the answer, I do know what we have been doing is NOT working and walls have been tried all over the world and they DO NOT work.<br /> walls increase the risk, as risk goes up so do profits and violence.<br /> better to try to fight the problem in latin america than arizona.<br />same as the so called war on drugs, smuggling and production have increased yearly as the laws get tougher and tougher.<br /> all its done is drive up profits and increase the violence due to the increased risk.<br /> as long as americans demand drugs and the risks are high so will be the profits and the problem will not go away.<br /> but most likly we will stay the course even though it means were gonna run aground.
 

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Rodbolt, as long as it's easy to just walk across a border into the land of plenty, and the powers that be in Mexico continuue to encourage that, there will be no real incentive for poor Mexicans to overcome their oppressors. Also, a part of the equation is reconquista, which is a movement to take the American Southwest back for Mexico...and it is very real, not some two-bit conspiracy theory.<br /><br />Quote:<br />"they are doing nothing not a single poster on this board would not do if they had been born a couple thousand miles futher south." <br /><br />I think you're out on a limb here. Lots of Mexicans stay put. They're not all huddled near the border looking around furtively.<br /><br />And who says "walls do not work"? I think you pulled that one out of your hat or something.<br /><br />Now, you're saying that something needs to be done about the governments in Latin America. Would you be suggesting direct intervention on our part? What about unintended consequences? Looks to me like you've tracked yourself down.
 

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Many US markets have become dependent on cheap Mexican labor.<br /><br />Politicians are in bed with these businesses.<br /><br />The word in Mexico is out on these work oportunities.<br /><br />The pay isn't enough to raise a family on in the US.<br /><br />The US provides programs for low income families.<br /><br />The word in Mexico is out on that too.<br /><br />Near one of every three households in the US are on some sort of Goverment assistance.<br /><br />Not everything that comes across the border illegally comes to hang sheetrock.<br /><br />Not every dollar made in the US by illegals is spent in the US.<br /><br />No politician wants to touch the border issue with a ten foot pole.<br /><br />Many native Mexican/Americans won't touch it either for reasons that are unclear to me.My guess is that it has something to do with loyalty/race card.<br /><br />An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
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Originally posted by ob:<br /><br /><br />Not every dollar made in the US by illegals is spent in the US.<br /><br />
And many American dollars are exported by legal residence with relatives in Maykeyko.<br /><br />
Originally posted by ob:<br /><br /><br />Not everyone that comes across the border illegally comes to hang sheetrock.<br /><br />
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1. Develop a National identity card.<br />2. Prosecute employers who hire illegals. (that would be something new, even though its the law!)<br />3. Change the constitution to allow the use of military folks to help defend our borders. (ONLY 11-15 million illegals are here). Has anyone been minding the store?
 

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Many of the problems of this country all come down to one or two traits that have been missing for a generation or two. The first is personal responsibility and the second is firmness.<br />As long as we have a "class" of able bodied people that will not take responsibility for their lives and expect the rest of us and the government to take care of them, many more problems like illegal imigration will not go away. As long as parents, society and government cannot be firm and let people deal with the consequences of their own actions (or in-actions) we will have many of the problems we have today.<br />As soon as we came up with the "great society" and wellfare our country started going in the toilet.<br />The "trickle down" effect of wellfare is what we have today. Able-bodied people are sitting on their arse collecting money from those of us that work and produce. These people will not work, doing manual labor jobs, because we are letting them HAVE a living ( I did not say EARN) without doing anything. Who is now doing these jobs.....ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Meanwhile everyone from our population to our government does not have the FIRMNESS to put an end to this. I can already hear the bleeding hearts cry "what are we supposed to do....let them starve ?" Well, nothing like a little hunger to get someone off their arse and start producing (look at what the illegals are doing).<br />Look at the explosion of "single parent families" and unwed mothers. Why.......because there is no consequences for these young girls, in most cases they get their baby as well as an apartment on their own, food, daycare, medical, spending cash......all for doing nothing but giving in to what they want to do anyway. That we pay for.<br />What about dilusional parents of today (the few that are actually raising their offspring). They teach their kids that they can have whatever they want if they whine and yell loud enough. They teach them that rules are meant to be broken and that they are "special ". If a school tries to "correct" the kids the parents want the teacher fired. They give their kids everything without expecting them to follow any rules or earn anything. They (parents) do not teach their kids any kind of work ethic or even the concept of consequences for their actions....and they wonder why there is no respect. Probably because they are to busy trying to be a "friend" to their kids.<br />Sooo.....are the kids of today "busting their butts" doing summer jobs and after school jobs ? Learning a valuable lesson for the future..... No...the illegal aliens are doing it.<br />Finally, where did the idea come from that ILLEGALs are entitled to the same benefits as citizens ? Believe me, if word got back to Mexico that ILLEGALS were NOT given FREE medical care, FREE housing and FREE food....they would not be so willing to come here.......but no-one is FIRM enough to take that stand. This country once was great because it was the "land of opertunity" sadly, it has become the "land of entitlements".
 
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