Mexicans striking

[artburr]

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In 1848, the United States completed the conquest of that portion of Mexico now within the states of California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Ironically, the initial impetus for conquest was to secure a southern balance of power needed to resist efforts to abolish slavery. It seems ironic and somehow just that peoples of Mexico are now finding their way into those states, and more, in numbers that represent real political power as well as opportunity. They are a part of us now as were our ancestor immigrants.

 

[artburr]

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Similarly, there seems some justice in the fact that the indigenous peoples of the United States (Indians to you), defeated and pushed into poverty on arid and desolate reservations, now have opportunity to achieve wealth by exploiting their conqueror's weakness for gambling.

 

[technostingray]

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"with liberty and justice for all". Even liberals.<br />

 

[waterone1@aol.com]

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I just love people that feel so guilty all of the time.

 

[dogsdad]

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Hmmm...who did all the Indians kill off to make space for themselves, I wonder.

 

[DJ]

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The point that always seems to get lost in all the border discussions is that WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO is coming across.<br /><br />We are waging a worldwide war against terrorism, yet we leave our doors wide open with our wallets on the kitchen counter. It's nonsensical.

 

[technostingray]

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OK, you guys are going to have to start wearing armbands so I can tell the liberals from the conservatives. Not to mention the righteous from the self righteous.

 

[DJ]

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OK, you guys are going to have to start wearing armbands so I can tell the liberals from the conservatives. Not to mention the righteous from the self righteous.

No armband needed. you know what side I'm on.<br /><br />IMHO, all are welcome, as long as we know whether or not you are Jose' or Achmed?<br /><br />Are you here to provide a service and earn money, or, spend money and destroy?<br /><br />Why is this concept so bewhildering to people????

 

[oddjob]

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> Hmmm...who did all the Indians kill off to make space for themselves, I wonder.

We havent finished yet, once we expand and raise enough money at the casinos we can mount a sufficient effort to kill or to make warrior slave of the men while we hold your women back..

 

[Ron G]

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I started all this and really am enjoying reading it.okay this is a major problem i have no answers,but the fineing wont work you can fine the companys 40,000 dollars for each one and they will just pass it on to the consumer,so the only thing to do there is send the person to jail for hiring illegals for 1 to 3 years.that would stop the hiring dead in its tracts.and at the same time no benfits of any kind to an illegal immegrant,no welfare,no medical,no free housiong nothing.illegal children should'nt be allowed to go to school here.after all thats done they would'nt want to come here they would stay in mexico and over throw there on goverment and make it prosperus.may be harsh but at the pace its going now,its going to get really bad.and no im learning how to speak mexican or any other dam language im an american and thats what im going to always speak.my 2 cents.

 

[DJ]

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Ron G.<br /><br />I hear what you are saying. The rest of the country is NOW starting to realize what is happening.<br /><br />Here in Arizona, we've known, for years, that was/is a HUGE issue.<br /><br />Fining companies is not necessarilly the answer. How does a small businessman know who is, is not legal? The forged documents are quite good. But, our government does EVERYTHING to penalize small business. Don't believe it, try starting one.<br /><br />The REAL issue is the everyday American attitude. Here in AZ we had one he!! of a time passing a state bill (Prop. 200) that required anyone voting to show identification. The Governor fought it tooth and nail. Yes, that's true, anyone could vote in AZ before. Just point to a name and say, that's me!<br /><br />I have a serious problem with ANYONE that would have a problem with requiring ID to vote. Maybe if I could vote, in Mexico, the tables may be turned?

 

[Ron G]

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DJ, we have a little thing called tenn care here,which is like soclized medcine,they flock here in groves.half of nashville should be called little tewana.its a burden on the tax payers,the people that really need the medcine and the schools.and i'll probably get blasted for this comment but nobody wants to leave around them they trash out entire neighborhoods.thats just what ive seen.

 

[glasply1]

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Two newspaper articles in two days on prosecuting employers who hire illegal immigrants. Could the politicos be getting the message? Its hard to believe that they have the time since they seem to be so busy getting their own wallets filled. Who knows, perhaps someday they will do something for the citizens of this country - like taking back the EXCESS profits they are squeezing out of us at the pumps. Record profits! Not all of the price increases are because of OPEC prices.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br />

Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> nuke the border

 

[technostingray]

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />

Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br />

Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> nuke the border

Got the dreaded red x on your avatar again.

 

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> Ron G.<br /><br />I hear what you are saying. The rest of the country is NOW starting to realize what is happening.<br /><br />

No kidding DJ...and when we tried to warn them about reconquista they'd roll their eyes and say we are paranoid and racists.<br /><br />Luego lo te dije...ya lo crees?

 

[glasply1]

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How could we have more than 10 million illegal folks here? Do we or don't we have borders?

 

[rodbolt]

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we have borders, how ya think they cross?<br /> what we dont have and have not had is a comprhensive plan to stabilize mexico's economy nor secure our borders.<br /> plenty of laws and ZERO enforcement. now its about to late.<br />the cost not only to business and secondary costs will be high but the physicall cost of just the roundup and detention will be absolutly staggering.<br /> the arrest and 3-4 day detention would most likly cost 400 or so each, if govt run figgure 1000 each.<br /> times 12-14 million.<br />even with my socks off I cant count that high.<br /> once detained they are wards of the govt. be it state, local or federal. they have to be medically cleared, fed and housed while awaiting deportation clearings and transportation.<br />a good lawyer could make a fortune.<br />but this issue is a lot older than the current admin. it goes back to at least the 70's.<br /> so far no admin has sprouted the cojones to do anything but talk.<br />so far the NAFTA and CAFTA has exploited forieghn labor for corperate greed and trashed a lot of local manufacturing.<br /> textile,auto parts,refridgerators and dyer manufacturing is almost exclusivy mexican now.<br /> wont mention kodak or smith-corona.<br /> so I dont care that they strike here but a strike there could cripple a lot of folks.

 

[glasply1]

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My question was rhetorical!

 

[dogsdad]

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Rodbolt, I think you're right in your assertion that it's been going on since the 70s. And yeah, the cost of righting the wrongs of the last 35 years may be pretty high, since Washington has only been pretending to do what they are obligated to do in all that time.<br /><br />Maybe an exodus could be engineered in such a way that illegal aliens will leave voluntarily. I haven't thought much about that idea, so I can't suggest how it might be done. But someone might come up with a good idea.<br /><br />I am just as convinced as ever that Mexicans need to sieze control of their governemnt as a first step in fixing the problems. Vicente Fox has been protecting the wealthy of Mexico and their interests as has every Mexican president has since Santa Ana. <br /><br />There has been no real change in Mexico, though there was hope in the 90s at one point when there was a very popular presidential candidate who was apparently on his way to a win, but was assassinated---no doubt the act was inspired and funded by very wealthy interests. I do not recall the man's name, but I had a close associate from Mexico at that time who told me about it.<br /><br />I think that by sealing off our borders, we can cause the internal pressure to build in Mexico to a point that the populace will decorate the streetlight posts in Mexico City with the corpses of Vicente Fox and his ilk, and take control of their country for the good of the common man. <br /><br />My reservations are that there are always unintended consequences. Sometimes when you accomplish what you set out to do, things happen to make you wish you had not succeeded. But doing noything just isn't a viable alternative.