Mexicans striking

[rodbolt]

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dogsdad<br /> I agree,<br /> its a long coming problem that I really see no good solution to.<br /> even if they tried another amnesty type program the INS is so swamped that it would take 12 years to process just what they have now.<br /> and if the mexicans actually elected someone to look out for the common mexican you can expect a tripling of the goods headed north., its incredible not only the amount of stuff Assembled in mexico but also how much is plain manufactured there now.<br />can you imagine if the manufacturing and trucking in mexico all went on strike about now? GM,Ford,chysler, BRP,merc and a lot of other companies here would have to have massive layoffs due to no parts.

 

[dogsdad]

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Rodbolt, first off, I surely hope there's no amnesty. That's simply the wrong message to send south. I am pretty confident you think so too.<br /><br />As far as a fair government being elected in Mexico...I don't think it's easy to predict what would happen. There may indeed be an increase in the amount of goods headed north, as you say, but imagine the effect on the amount of goods headed south as the result of the rise of a middle class in Mexico. It has to work both ways.<br /><br />I do agree that a major strike taking place in any country who is a major trading partner will have some kind of effect on us too, but I don't think we should be intimidated. A strike doesn't hurt just one side, and I am sure you would agree with that too.<br /><br />I see all this as a very difficult issue to deal with, but not one we can continue to defer to the future, or one that we can continue to ignore. We'd best do anything at all, rather than doing nothing.

 

[technostingray]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br />

OK, you guys are going to have to start wearing armbands so I can tell the liberals from the conservatives. Not to mention the righteous from the self righteous.

No armband needed. you know what side I'm on.<br /><br />IMHO, all are welcome, as long as we know whether or not you are Jose' or Achmed?<br /><br />Are you here to provide a service and earn money, or, spend money and destroy?<br /><br />Why is this concept so bewhildering to people????

Right you are DJ, I can see plainly now, you are self righteous.

 

[rodbolt]

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dogsdad<br /> they would strike a lot faster than north americans as they already have nothing.<br /> the last 6 or 7 5.7 motors I installed have Hechen en Mexico cast in the block just fwd of the bellhousing pad on the port side.<br />and no I dont think amesty again is a good idea but it may be the only way.<br /> if ya do the math and just figgue on 10 million at 400 dollars each its 400 million. to do a mass roundup and detention would actually cost about 1000 per illegal. thats a lot of folk that once in custody,just like county jail, the detainer becomes responsible for medical,dental housing, food and general safty.<br /> so the deportation of 14 million folks will be very very costly. the price increase of labor for vegatables and construction and such will triple right off the bat.<br /> problem is its gotten so large in the past 30 years its almost to large for any solution.<br /> unless we can persurade mexico to ramp up its economy and do something with their labor laws its only going to get worse.<br /> as we crack down on border security the violence will escalate just as its done with drugs and like it did with alcohol in the prohibition era.<br /> if you increase the risk you increase the desperation.<br /> I really dont expect we would send much in the way of finnished goods south.<br /> I spend some time in venezuela each year and may end up there soon. the amount of imported goods from the US is slowing rapidly. with the EU trade union ramping up you see quite a bit from mexico,canada,spain,italy and many other places.<br /> try to buy a washer,dryer,refridgerator or other benchmark durable white goods that are manufactured and assembled in the USA. the corperate HQ may be in the US and the label may say maytag or GE but odds are it was made in canada,mexico or france.<br /> we are being reduced to military manufacturing and arms sales and even that is not going well. seems iseal has been cloning quite a bit and reselling it world wide.<br /> so what the solution is anymore I am not sure, I do know that staying the course aint working,mass roundup and deportations will be incredibly costly and amnesty wont work as long as such extreme poverty exists in mexico and central america. had something actually been done with and after the first amnesty program,maybe. now if the INS started now it would take them 12 years to process just what we have now. thats according to the INS.<br /> but I am telling you from a personal observation, if the US manufacturing continues to flee you will see a lot more 4-6 year college degrees working with the slogan"ya wanna hot apple pie with that".

 

[dogsdad]

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Rodbolt, I read your comments to mean that you see it as a question of whether we would prefer to have the tooth extracted slowly, over a period of time with only aspirin as an analgesic and with the very real possibility of bleeding to death in the dentist's chair, or a quick extraction with no anaesthetic at all.<br /><br />For reasons of long-term health, I prefer the second scenario.<br /><br />I do not believe there's any reason to be concerned about strikes in Mexican plants.<br /><br />I see the cost of removing illegals as being no big deal. I am sure that we are paying tremendous sums for health services these people are consuming, the load on the justice system, incarceration of those who are convicted of serious crime, and a host of other expenses such as education and other social services. Throw in the fractious ramifications of their presence, and the cost of deportation and economic adjustment starts to look pretty insignificant.<br /><br />Load 'em up and move 'em out.

 

[dogsdad]

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(Oooops...another screw-up. I hate it when I confuse the "edit" button with the "quote" button!)

 

[rodbolt]

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dogsdad<br /> if it was that easy it would have been done already.<br /> however its not, and always remember that without anesthsia pain can turn to shock and kill as effectivly as blood loss.<br /> and go to any parts place and look at how much comes from mexico. I think all GM and Ford truck frames, a large amount of engines and thousands and thousands of other parts.<br /> if the assy plants here in the states have no parts to assemble guess what they do ?<br /> the US ,through the name of profit, is setting itself on a wall with humpty dumpty.<br /> while yes illegals do eat up a portion of that free medical care they also rarely get refunds on the state,county and city sales taxes or IRS refunds for any taxes taken out from an employer.<br /> most purchase about the same amount of goods and services I do only I write 85% of mine off.<br />they cant.<br />so its not like they are a 100% drain on the economy.<br /> that coupled with low cost labor.<br /> if it costs a farmer 5 dollars a box to bring in the lettuce crop with illegal labor and 35 dollars a box with labor supplied under strict adherence to US farm and labor laws ya think that farmer is gonna eat the cost or pass it on to the supermarket? is the super market gonna eat it or pass it to you?<br /> this goes for all your canned taters,beans and other commodities that rely heavily on illegal labor.<br />same as that new house.<br /> if that subcontractor has to pay FICA,and IRS as well as workmans comp and unemployment ins ya think the contractor is gonna eat it or pass it on?<br /> I dont think a blanket deportation will work just as I dont think blanket amesty is any good either.<br /> maybe a way out is a graduated amesty but it will only work if our borders become secure.<br /> and that aint a gonna happen anytime soon I fear.