Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 21.1%
  • No

    Votes: 30 78.9%

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Plainsman

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

If a "celebrity" does something as outrageous as this, of course it will be all over the press. But I think that Paris Hilton and Lidnsey something had more press than this.

Once again, to me dogs are more than PROPERTY. To this I agree do disagree with you.
 

PierBridge

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

Mike killed a piece of property. I love my dog, but she is property. He never should have done such a terrible thing. But Ray Lewis may have killed a person and he is a superstar.

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Did you read the indictment or are you just winging it as you go?

Oh it's obvious you have not really followed the Vick story or your Pulitzer prize winning first post MAY not have been posted at all, lucky you.....I'm surprised the defense didn't use that logic maybe they could have won at trial heck it could have been know by Law Scholars as the "Mike killed a piece of property." defense for years to come.....

Oh and you didn't follow the Lewis case either or more importantly you don't understand how the Legal system works in our country.


Pierbridge,

Thank you for your valuable and in-depth anaylsis. And your comparison to some post you saw at move-on.org was stimulating.

I think I can speak for everyone when I say we are all so much smarter for having read your post. I know I feel blessed for having read it......

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Only a Rocket scientist like you could inject Politics into a thread like this.

In all seriousness go back and read all of your post in this thread and if you don't laugh at yourself seek immediate medical attention.
 

PierBridge

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

As to the hunting analogy, there is a huge difference between hunting and what this piece of crap did. Is not fishing hunting as well?
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I'm thoroughly enjoying the display of utter madness and idiocy in people "not so much in this forum" excusing or mitigating the dog fighting atrocity by trying to blur the distinction between it and hunting.

First, our laws are a reflection upon what society deems as moral and ethical. Hunting wild animals, though highly regulated, has always been legal and is in fact encouraged by every state's department of natural resources. In short, hunting is legal. Dog fighting, involving domesticated animals, is illegal. I'm sorry if you disagree with the law.

Second, unlike dog fighting, there is a legitimate purpose in hunting. Even quite liberal natural science professors across the nation recognize regulated hunting as a viable means to avoiding exponential spikes and drops in the given animal population. Isle Royale (Lake Superior), for instance, is studied by such natural science professors. Hunting isn't allowed on the island and scientists recognize offsetting exponential population drops and spikes between deer/moose and wolves. This is a scenarior, absent hunting or human interference, that places each species on the brink.

Third, what is the underlying purpose or intent of the hunter versus the backroom dog fighting sponsor and gambler? Any ethics professor in any college's philosphy department will differentiate between willful and unintentional acts. In hunting, the intent is to kill, yes, but as quickly and humanely as possible consistent with the rules of the legal outdoor sport. Unlike dog fighting, the thrill isn't in the kill, but in the chase. If it were otherwise, the hunter wouldn't choose to use their tools of trade.

The hunter's intent is to use a 30-06 or .308 or what have you to put a 180-grain bullet, traveling around 1,500 feet per second, through a fatal zone in the targeted animal. In a deer this target is usually about a one-foot diameter circle behind the front leg, between the shoulder and lower chest area. If done as intended, the kill is quick if not painless as well. Such cannot be said for the pit bull or fighting dog.

I hope I don't have to spell out in great detail the conduct of Bad Newz Kennels, but their endeavor included the purposeful or intentional torture resulting in death of many dogs, by means of slamming, drowning, hanging, and electrocution -- this after the dogs were subjected to mauling. The drawn out killing was called "testing," by Vick and Bad Newz. Their tools of trade included rape stands, used to breed female dogs by force. The stated impetus to or justification for this conduct was gambling -- which in itself is illegal in Virginia. However, given the facts as spelled out in the indictment to which Vick intends to stipulate on Monday, the gambling was a pretext. Their ultimate vice was simple blood lust and barbarism.

The few who are defending Vick by comparing dog fighting to hunting, or by even drawing the race card, should just simply STFU because you're logic is so skewed that it's borderline sociopathy.
 

POINTER94

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

Please - more emotional responses pierbridge. As you drone on about hunting, a point nobody here made, point to the race card, a point nobody here made, the topic remains as posted. Should Mike Vick get to play football after he serves his time?

My contention was, is, and continues to be that what he did was a crime, he should go to jail, and when he gets out, he should be allowed the opportunity to play football, if the NFL will let him.

I guess I miss the part where anyone (including myself) condoned this activity, pointed to a defense that would prevent him from being convicted, mitigated the nature of the crime, dogs are property that is not a mitigation it is a statement of fact, or supported him in the least.

Playing football is a job not a priveledge. The nature of the job is to put butts in the seats, eyes on the TV, or selling licenced products, by applying a unique skill not easily found. If after he is released he can do this then he should be allowed to. If his baggage is such that he isn't a viable vehicle for the NFL then he won't. But to devine law because you don't like a person is of course arrogant. And this kind of self rightous indignation is what is fracturing this country.
 

Vlad D Impeller

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

If the punishment fits the crime, Michael Vick would be too old to play football, even in hell.
A "liberal judge" will no doubt be the decision maker.
 

POINTER94

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

Vlad,

You are right, and if that is the case, the discussion is moot. Based on the sentences given to child molesters and baby killers by some liberal judges, he might be ready for the playoffs.
 

WillyBWright

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

I believe I'm correct in saying that dog fighters regard it as "sport". Such agregious behavior should disqualify any participant from participating in any organized sport whether it be professional or amateur. It's a matter of character. IMHO

Actually I think it's a moot point anyhow. He's a hot potato and I doubt any NFL team will have anything to do with him. There are always talented QBs coming up and bouncing around. I don't think he's so special that he can't be replaced.

When I posted the poll, I was on the fence. I am a proponent of giving a person a second chance. Maybe the NFL will let him back in once he pays his dues AND "repents" in a meaningful and redemptive manner. But I think his playing days are done regardless.
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

I think Pointer & myself are on the same page here......:eek:
Thanks Pointer for illustrating what my post means to the 'er-um .....:rolleyes:
Synaptically challanged......;)
In plain language, ya don't let a pedophile teach grade school, even after he has done his time.....
The temptation & likleyhood of recidivism is just to great......:rolleyes:
I could go on, but I will hope that you can connect the dots, with respect to how this plays out with regard to other occupation & scenarios......
He should be banned from the dog pound or owning another kennel- Nothing more, IMHO....
Once he has done his sentence......
In other words, your comparisons are just plain stoopid....
How's that for a post pad?........:p
 

Plainsman

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

They're getting better, not much, but getting better.
My comparisons are not "stoopid". Extreme, yes, but "stoopid", no.
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

They're getting better, not much, but getting better.
My comparisons are not "stoopid". Extreme, yes, but "stoopid", no.
Hmmmm, OK, maybe stoopid is too harsh......
How's this?........
"Your comparisons are laughable".........
Is that better?.......:)
 

PierBridge

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

Should Mike Vick get to play football after he serves his time?

My contention was, is, and continues to be that what he did was a crime, he should go to jail, and when he gets out, he should be allowed the opportunity to play football, if the NFL will let him.

I.

Yes he should and probably will although 2 or 3 years of not playing will make it difficult, but he is one of if not the best runner's in the league....so someone will take a bargain chance on him IMO.
 

Benny1963

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

michael vick like all pro ball players is over paid
didnt need the money and will still be a cruel person
when freed people played the sport for a lot less in the day
he should fired because if it were you or i we would be
benny 1963
 

i386

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

I have to disagree. I know he makes (or made) more money than he knew what to do with, but he also made the team and the owner many millions. He and his agent(s) know this and negotiated accordingly.
 

waterinthefuel

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Re: Michael Vick Eligibility Poll

Did you see his public apology? What a joke. It should have been entitled, "Michael Vick's 'Let me back into the league when I get out' speech."

It was so fake. He DID NOT take responsibility for what he did, otherwise he would not have pled not guilty to the charges the first time. Only after his lawyers told him he'd get 5 years and never be able to play football again did he decide to take this step.

He's a sack of crap and should never see the football field again.
 
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