Mixed-race family

[QC]

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JB,

It was your "delightful" comment. Of course a rainbow family can be delightful, so could Haut's version :% (man I hope JK meant Just Kidding this time Mr. Kopec). Sorry if I misinterpreted your interpretation of my interpretation . . .

BTW, I live in a really cool rainbow neighborhood. Jewish family next door; white trash across the street (they're OK); bi-racial childless couple in the cul-de-sac (black wife, really cranky, she's the one that calls the cops on the kids, gotta have one of them right? We all call her Muffy because it's on her vanity plate), an absolutely perfect (almost Stepford) black family with three in college up the street (daughter was HS valedictorian); young Indian couple (two kids) next door to the left with the uncle and his mom living with them, I'm becoming friends with Nagesh, he brings me South African wine; Greek immigrant family four doors down; retired Hungarian couple up the other street; new family just moved in, New Yorker dad, Chilean immigrant mom (kinda hot); and of course all of the other hyphenated Americans sprinkled around for good measure 8)

No disagreement on the potential for the media to blow this out. I guess I buy into at least some of the screen persona stuff and don't see Brangelina as victims of anybody. I am ALWAYS sceptical of the Hollywood gang, and am closer to Skinnywater on how they should behave after they make bazillions AND have children. I don't care what they do as long as they aren't hurting anybody before they have kids . . .

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Haut: American kids come in every shade and appearance on earth. Does it really matter where they were born?


Yes, if you are going to adopt a "colored" child, why not get one right here at home?....
I'm quite sure there is no shortage.......
What is so wrong about adopting an american child, I'd like to kwow?
QC, I meant exactly what I said.....
I don't mind co-existing with people of other races.....
That is what is at the heart of diversity...
Of course, if the 'melting pot' philosophy is taken to it's limit, one day the world will be 'grey'.....
Maybe then we will have world peace, but it would be a hell of alot more boring......JK

 

[BoatBuoy]

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In fairness to Brangelina (like that, Aspeck) I doubt that most people could avoid saying something that the press would blow out of proportion when under the glare of a spotlight 24/7. She may have intended that remark as a bad joke.

We all say something that sounds different than what we mean once in a while.

Isn't that essentially what Kerry said?

 

[JB]

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Yup, BB.

Exactly what Kerry did, and he caught alot of flack about it, too.

 

[jtexas]

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I'm still kind of amazed at the level of racism allowed on a commercial website

 

[Boomyal]

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What bothers me more is social deviates raising children, as most Hollywierd types are.
Instead of being parents they will spend months at a time on movie sets, having others raising their "family".
The children can't possibly have a normal childhood being in the spotlight of the public/media and hounds 24/7.

If they were to honestly put their money where their mouths are they would use their millions to drop out, disappear and raise their family in complete privacy forevermore, without making it a sorry spectical.

More like pets than children, odds are they will have a different daddy in 5 years anyhow.

Spot on skinnywater. You sure nailed it. With the big lipped one, it's all, hey look at me. Aren't I the PC one?

In the end, I think you articulated what QC was gropping for.8)

 

[Boomyal]

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Both of my son's are bi-racial........1/2 German (me) and 1/2 Norwegian (my wife).......Nobody ever say's anything racial about them.......o

...Bob In Calif...

Sorry Bob, that's not racial. That is national. All the above are of the Caucasion race. Your point is wll taken though!

 

[jtexas]

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It's a d4mn shame that everybody can't be as good parents are we all are. But people do what they can. Everybody assumes that glamorous movie start types are stupid and shallow, and it's true, they are stupid and shallow. If they were smart and complex they would do exactly what I would do. But they're not, so they "balance" their family. One thing to note, skinnywater: your Dad is still your Dad even if your Mom isn't married to him anymore. and you'd be surprised how much time the hollyweirds spend with their kids nowadays. Too bad they have no chance for a normal childhood, which would include, lets see...half a cup of rice per day, live in a tent with 43 other people, no plumbing, no sanitation...

 

[Pony]

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Haut,
One of the few times I wholeheartedly agree with you, to whit:

I believe in keeping racial purity......

Miscengeny should be a prosecutable crime.

That is THE DUMBEST things I have ever heard. I can't believe no one has said anything against this yet. This is the first time I have ever read something and felt actual anger......:% I can't even express how ridiculous that sounds and how mad it makes me.

 

[QC]

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Well I did note it Pony. I gave Haut an opportunity to deny it and he didn't. JB noted it, and jtex has questioned the wisdom of not zapping the post all together.

Frankly, I haven't figured out an appropriate response. The best I can come up with is that it is un-American and if there is anybody that wonders where Borat found his creeps, I know the general direction . . . Also, as far as embarrassing America is concerned our President has never embarrassed me like that!! The other thing that makes me nuts about this is that typically, for some undeserved reason, conservatives are associated with racism, I have noted a number of times that Haut is not the liberal he thinks he is. I don't know what he is now, but I can tell you I don't want him anymore. Somebody else can claim him . . . :|

I guess the same goes for rmmpe.

Edit: There are only two races, the decent and the indecent. And for those who will scoff at that and pretend that I meant decent as a prude and indecent as some sort of clothing comment, I mean decent to their fellow man and indecent to their fellow man. Blood is meaningless.

 

[jtexas]

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Spot on skinnywater. You sure nailed it. With the big lipped one, it's all, hey look at me. Aren't I the PC one?

I wonder when did common courtesy became a bad thing. Not being an a55ho1e makes you "PC"!

 

[rmmpe]

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QC and Pony,
Aw shucks, I guess we can't be friends.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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:'(
That really hurts!....

If my beliefs offend you, my apologies.......

 

[POINTER94]

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FWIW there are litterly hundreds of thousands of non-white children dying, begging, willing to do anything to be adopted by a loving family right here in the USA.

Her comments do make me uncomfortable, how tough is it to make a comment about their family without including race? No they are not perfect, but they have many professionals who set up the interviews, prep them for the interviews, approve the questions in an interview and even who will be doing the interviews. These are staged dances not probing interviews. The slip up seems unusual.

 

[JB]

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Miscegenation: an interbreeding between different races[<L miscere mix + genus race.

Genus: group of related animals or plants ranking below a family and above a species.

Homo Sapiens: Man; human being; the species including all existing races of mankind.

Correctly, miscegenation would be the mixing of man with another genus. There is only ONE species of man.

The mixing of man with another genus, or even species, is a prosecutable crime, RMMPE.

 

[QC]

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JK,

I have strong feelings about race, and there are many fine lines that go along with it. I have noted before that when I was 5 or so my Mother caught me drawing a swastika on our toilet (appropriate easel huh?). Anyway her anger apparently left a lasting impression on me.

I live in Southern California. If the US is the world's melting pot, then SoCal is the US's. I also feel strongly about the need for all cultures to assimilate into American culture, I support making English our national language, because I believe that language is the first level of this nebulous thing we call culture. Canada's attempts to maintain two languages are evidence of the problem. In Barcelona Spain, within the county of Catalonia, citizens are considered by many as second class if they speak Castilian (the Spanish we know) as opposed to Catalan, more of a blend of French and Spanish. In 2005, the Parliament of Catalonia defined Catalonia as an "independent nation" (Wikipedia). Is it a coincidence that Quebec and Catalonia have a different language than the majority of the rest of their Country's citizens? This is one of those lines that many would call racist, however, yes, I support a national language.

I also believe that retaining unique cultural foods, ceremonies, rituals, holidays, religions, clothing etc. is also uniquely American and a good thing. There are those who think all of those "foreign" traditions should be shelved the moment an immigrant steps off the boat. To many those beliefs would be called racist. For me this is not realistic, nor desirable, but it is not racist. This is another of those fine lines.

I noted the make-up of my neighborhood above. Even my wife has noted that she wishes more of our neighbors were "more like us". Some would call that statement racist and I actually think it is, but I counsel that what she really wants is for them to share more of our values. I believe that they will share more of what some like me call "American" values, especially after a second and third generation. I love the diversity in my neighborhood, and I am especially proud that my Indian neighbor Nagesh came over to my home on Halloween with a couple of bottles of wine. This is not a day that his culture celebrates at all, but his 2 year old had a costume on and went house to house. It actually gives me chills to write of this, because it is uniquely American and it makes me proud.

Among the families I noted in the previous post above, you believe that two of them should not have children for no other reason than they have different colors of skin. While I hope there are no more Muffy's to populate other's neighborhoods, this is due to her behavior, not her race. And it is too late for you with the other couple as they walk up and down our block pushing a baby in a stroller. This to me is not a fine line Mr. Kopek. Those feelings make you a racist in my book, and I only know of a few that it wouldn't.

As is well known, I am basically a traveling salesman. I originally "travelled" all over the LA Basin and I met lots of people, most decent, some not. Then I started traveling the US and met the same mix. Now it is the world, yup, same mix. When I encounter someone that says something that indicates racism I must make a decision. Maybe it's an employee, maybe a partner, maybe it's a customer, and I guess maybe it could even be one of my bosses (thankfully that has never happened). The decision I must make is whether or not to stand up for something that is important to me and I believe the planet itself. What I usually do, is base it on power, and this is a shameful compromise. If it is an employee, I immediately counsel that this is not acceptable to me if you are going to continue to work here. If it is a partner, I usually engage in a discussion if I can find a way to do it civilly. If it is a customer, I usually keep my mouth shut. I hate making that compromise, but I do! Thankfully, I have never had a customer say something so blatant that I blew up, but it may happen someday.

I have also run into this situation with friends and family. In those cases I usually counsel, also depending on power. My nephew was leaning towards Neo-Nazism once. This otherwise fine young man is not my kid, but even in front of his father I made my opinion well known. This was where we boat, and I had a Jewish family with us, and they know my nephew very well. I made it clear that this family is not welcome in the homes of the people you are leaning towards. I believe that this had an impact on him and I am proud of that. I have however, compromised a little when dealing with a friend if the social setting is wrong or for other equally weak reasons. I am not comfortable with myself after.

Soooo, then we come to Pony's post . . . I actually consider all of the guys and gals that post on this board friends. Sometimes Techno is not so sure, but I have come to feel a bond with him as well. What Pony posted reminded me of principles that I hold, and that I do not feel good about myself when I compromise. Pony was right, I was allowing your post to just quietly die. Yes, I noted it, as did a few others, but I don't believe anyone's rebuke was strong enough until Pony's. I still consider you a friend, but I am very disturbed by your "beliefs", and it was and is important that I say so.

Kevin

 

[technostingray]

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The business of prejudice is becoming more and more lucrative every day. Only some one on the fence can see which way to jump. You have mail.

 

[JasonJ]

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My sister lived in Guam for most of the 80's into the early 90's. She ended up with a Guamanian man who eventually died. The end result was my niece and nephew, the niece is in college, the nephew is not too far behind. They are technically mixed race, but all I see is my niece and nephew.

In the late 80s I was almost in a relashionship with a black woman. It was during a military school while staitoned in Germany, and we we together pretty much all the time, and were known as "Ebony and Ivory". It was fun, but there was a strong undertone of distaste from the other black people. It was enough where we decided to not pursue anything serious, and that was too bad. That was when I personally experienced that racism is not a just a white people thing. I grew up with all different races, and never saw them as anything different than myself. Some just had better tans and could dance better To this day I still believe that, and I actually can taste vomit in the back of my throat when I experience any kind of racism. I usually just don't respond to that sort of talk or behavior, because I know I am not going to change them. I am content knowing I am not participating in the discussion.

As far as Brangelina and those others who are buying their kids from other nations, who cares. Sometimes I am tempted to think they do it because they might think these outside children are not "tainted" by a failing foster care system or are not crack babies. Don't misenterpret what I am saying, I am only theorizing what they might be thinking when they go shopping abroad. They might be thinking they are getting clean slates when they buy these kids. Note, I keep saying buy, not adopt. I don't really know what their true intentions are, but it does not hurt their acting careers if they are percieved as Humanitarians. "Lets go see the new Brangelina flick. I have heard it sucks but they are really great people because of the kids they adopt." It just feels like there is a hint of business tactic to it.

Or, they could actually be decent people who are using their fame and fortune to accomplish a noble cause. Who knows....

 

[Boomyal]

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Or, they could actually be decent people who are using their fame and fortune to accomplish a noble cause. Who knows....

IMHO, if they did not have some ulterior motive they would have done it quietly. It is possible, even in Hollywierd!

 

[JasonJ]

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"IMHO, if they did not have some ulterior motive they would have done it quietly. It is possible, even in Hollywierd!"

I agree. There are celebrities who live their lives and we never hear about anything. You'll find out they had a kid and you'll be like "Damn, I didn't even know that person was pregnant, or was even married". They can stay out of the spotlight if they want to, they just choose not to...