More political correctness

[CJY]

Are we the only country concerned with political correctness. I mean, do other countries think about it before they act or speak? Are they concerned they may offend the US or someone else?

 

[DJ]

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The United States was based upon "Free Speach". That premise has been diluted to mean all kinds of "weird" premises.<br /><br />We, as I've said before, are a country making decisions based upon an underlying "guilt" for being succesful.<br /><br />If we can get over that, we can continue to prosper. Otherwise, we are doomed to "sameness" and socialism/communism.<br /><br />The "hate US" sixties crowd is well ensnonced, in our government shools. Until that generation passes, we're doomed.

 

[Laddies]

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You said a mouthful there DJ, the flower children are running the place

 

[jimonica]

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Pleeeeeeaaaase! Flower children are running the country? Come on! <br />Just look at where are politicians come from. They're not coming from organization like Green Peace, the Sierra Club, the Audubon Society or even PETA,our politicians for the most part come from the corporate boardroom. <br />Washington is dominated by corporate lobbyist from the health, pharmaceutical and fossil fuel industries.<br />Rush Limbaugh and all these other right wing talkers and pundits can say that the environmentalist are running the country all the want, but that doesn't make it so.<br />When I hear someone say something as ridiculous as flower children are running the country, it reminds of a piece of advice Karl Rove gave on how to efectivly get out your message. "Repeat your message over and over and over, and just when you think if you say it one more time, your going to puke, say it another one hundred times".<br />Obviously Karl Roves advice works for the right wing.

 

[jtexas]

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Maybe it was something in the acid...

 

[alden135]

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Flower children are running the country, it's being done in the public schools. What better way to get your way than to indoctrinate the young. My son was chewed a new a$$ by his hippie english teacher 2 weeks ago. The students were asked to write a piece on THEIR idea of a perfect spouse. He had the audacity to want a wife who stayed home with the kids. Needless to say she read him the riot act. Typical PC BS in the public schools.

 

[CJY]

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Alden,<br /><br />You need to understand the point of the teacher. I agree, bad idea from the teacher to try to impress upon your son the things he should want from a spouse. That was incorrect. However, if teachers don't apply PC in school, you should see the complaints. At least if we hear complaints for being politically correct, we won't be sued.

 

[QC]

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CJY,<br /><br />That IS his point. It should not be a liability for anyone. To desire to have a wife stay home and raise the children is absolutely honorable. Both for the woman and the man and the kid who holds that desire. <br /><br />This kid was chewed out for holding this beautiful ideal. And before I am attacked, I was raised by a single mother who also holds a PHD and I have a lot of respect for. I also know that there is a full-time need for parental supervision, instruction, nuturing etc. Mothers are uniquely qualified for that role.

 

[POINTER94]

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Liberals are not running this country. Turn on the TV and you get CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, BBC, HEADLINE NEWS, PBS, ok a couple of liberals there. Open the newspapers, syndicated stories from the AP, Reuters, NY Times, LA Times, you know the papers of record, ok a couple of liberals there. Maybe we look at education, primary, secondary, and what do you find. Well honestly, a bunch of old radical liberals. Rewriting history and forwarding their agendas with the books they choose, the topics they discuss, the condoms and abortions they hand out for free without parental consent, the rules of conduct they enforce and those they ignore. Ask any high school student who started the Vietnam war and see how many answer FRANCE. I bet none. Ok so they are liberals, trained by liberals, who in turn were trained by ?????????? (Broad brush stuff here folks please don't take it personally.)<br /><br />Well the law is the law. Except in the 9th curcuit or the supreme court (eminent domain) or local courts where liberal laws like hate crimes and hiring quotas and economic zones are created for the priviledged minority. Where their higher intellect has segmented our society into male/female, black/white/red/yellow, Gay or straight, rich or poor. Or the death of millions who cannot be heard to pander to the liberal left. Property rights ignored to further liberal causes, (spotted owl), and religous removal from society based on a statement not even in the law, separation of church and state. Selective enforcement of immigration laws. Gun laws in direct violation of the second ammendment. Ok so they are a bunch of liberals.<br /><br />How about buddist monks who took a vow of poverty. Well they managed bags of money for the "first black president". How about alittle free love in the oval office with interns? How about liberal legislators who identified our fighting men as Nazis and murderous communists. They not in government? Was it not government who tried to take over 1/7th of the economy in one fell swoop with nationalized health care? Who is holding up the state of NY's manditory 20 years in prison for child sex violations. A liberal?????? <br /><br />The ACLU, NAACP (who controls 20% of the national vote), National Black Caucus, Rainbow Push, Moveon.org, NEA, not a bunch of liberals? <br /><br />The good news is people are growing weary of their nut case radical approach. This has given rise to a Fox News, and a Rush Limbaugh. It has shifted the house and senate to a republican majority and people are screaming for a more conservative party then the Republicans. I welcome the hero's of the liberal's - Cindy Sheehan, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Dan Rather, all suitably radical to isolate any thinking person.

 

[CJY]

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QC, I read Alden's point as, libs are running the country, case in point: "it's being done in schools," therefor, it is true. Liability to any person was never expressed or implied by my view. I find it dangerous to try to read something into a thread that was never stated.<br /><br />Pointer,<br /><br />I also believe if liberals were running this country: we would not be fighting in Iraq as we speak and W would not be President, the congress majority would not be Republican, and there would be more libs on the supreme court than there are conservatives. What else do you need before libs are no longer running the country. Conservatives hold the highest positions in this country. You can continue to point fingers elsewhere if you choose, but take a look around our government. I think it is very clear as to whom is running the show.<br /><br />None of those to which you stated got a liberal elected, therefore they must not hold as much clout as you give them credit for. <br /><br />"The good news is people are growing weary of their nut case radical approach." I agree! W's approval rating is at about 39% and still falling.

 

[POINTER94]

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CJY,<br /><br />You make the unfortunate leap that W is a conservative. He isn't. He is spending like a sailor, he fails to guard our boarders, he appoints stealth candidates to the bench, expands welfare, the fact that he went to war under the beleif held by the French, British, Austrialians, Russians, Poles, Italians, Spainish, Norwegans, the AP, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX NEWS, and every member of congress but one doesn't omit him from the liberal title. But he has had the stones to take the heat and stand his ground without putting our citizens and soldiers at risk, while liberals try to rewrite history and deny their complicity with the "I am too stupid excuse". (Bush lied) Not standing up for your beliefs when the going gets tough and to leverage the safety of the nation for political gain is disgusting. But it is the democrats position. <br /><br />Simply being against abortion and for a small tax cut is enough to have W thrown out of the liberal hall of fame. Not in my book.<br /><br />Who is running the show? Liberals. What they call themselves not withstanding.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> Liability to any person was never expressed or implied by my view.

You said "at least we won't be sued" that was where I got the liability spin . . .

 

[jimonica]

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WWWWHHHEEEWWWW! Take a breath Pointer94! You said a mouthful there. Most of it is just right wing talking points and hyper-boil.<br />Instead of going down every charge you made, I'll just ask you who are the real extremist? <br />When I look at the political spectrum as whole it appears to me that todays Republican party is on the extreme and the Democrats (liberals) are really in the middle. I'll prove this by asking you to visulize a yard stick to gauge where the political parties lay.<br />If you start from left and work your way right, I believe on the far left you have Communism. Then working right you have Socialism. Then continuing to your right you have a Democratic Socialism, like Norway and Sweden. Then you have todays Democrats or Liberals in the United States. Then farther to right you have the Libertarian Party and finally on the extreme far right end of todays political spectrum you have George Bush's Republican Party. I can't really think of a political system farther to the right than what we have today. You might have an argument that Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy where to the right of todays Republican party, but it appears we are well on our way to that style of fascist government. Unless I'm missing a couple of political parties or systems of government the Republicans are really the extremist of the far right.<br />We've shifted so far to the right that todays corporate controlled media has us believing that black is white, up is down and war is peace. I just hope the American public will wake up pull us back to reality before we've gone so far to the right that we can't return.

 

[jimonica]

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Pointer94,<br />All the countries, news outlets and members of congress agreed to go to war based on the information that was supplied to them by the Bush administration! <br />**** Cheney stood up in front of a national audience and said "without a doubt Saddam Hussan had weapons of mass destruction". So now you blame these allies, news orginization and fellow politician for believing what the administration sold them as being rock solid evidence?<br />When I was in the used car business, I remember this older guy that had been in the business a while used to say "you screwed up, you trusted me". I'm just waiting to hear that from Bush and Cheney.

 

[POINTER94]

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Nothing says hyperbole like invoking a little Hitler in the arguement. I hope your lesson in politics helped someone. Please point to the right wing talking points that identifies Bush as a liberal. Or might that be left wing talking points to accuse everyone in opposition of working from talking points. No matter.<br /><br />Corporate controlled media spending 24/7 bashing bush but really is on his side. A little help here, how does that forward the Hitler-like policies (yet unidentified) of W and who is Gerbals? Air America radio network had Randi Rhodes suggest that the president be shot. Where does that figure into the playbook? Bush is ready to take over the means of production like Hitler? Manditory military service right around the corner? Manditory membership in the republican party coming soon? Now who is working off talking points? Can you point to one favorable article or story written about W in the past two weeks? For each one you find I will find 25 that are negative.<br /><br />Please point the difference between Hillary taking over the medical industry by fiat and socialism? Would that be considered extreme? Please point to where Hitler allowed any country to write their own constitution? I think France asked the Germans to leave, but Iraq hasn't asked us. In fact they asked us to stay. Please again point to the "colonialism" the US is engaged in as I am sure that is where it will go. <br /><br />Where is the mutual enemy that would be required to unify the country. (Hitler-Jews) Right now most of the liberal idealists are siding with the terrorists. Ward Churchill, Cindy Sheehan, etc. What exactly does that make them? Well they are supporting left wing murderers? How do they fit on your yardstick?<br /><br />I work in specifics because they are specific, unambiguous, and factual. Not working in specifics is similiar to trying to nail jello to the wall. It accomplishes nothing. But I do appreciate your opinions.<br /><br />Bush makes JFK look like William F. Buckley. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country is no longer in vogue.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br /> You might have an argument that Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy where to the right of todays Republican party, but it appears we are well on our way to that style of fascist government.

You're an absolute _______ and precisely who I am afraid of. You are why many middle of the roaders vote Republican, and oh God I hope they still will. He "might have an argument that Hitler's Germany . . . where (sic) to the right of today's Republican party"? Might as in maybe? What the flyin' flip are you smoking? Do you know that you just inadvertently offended every Jew on the planet? Do you know that there are totalitarian regimes that want you dead? Do you honestly believe that George Bush's (your) Government wants anybody other than evil people dead?<br /><br />And (sorry if I sound so pissed) if you didn't mean what you said, retract it. You have just also sh!t on World War 2 veterans, the list goes on and on. Get a clue!!!

 

[POINTER94]

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All the countries, news outlets and members of congress agreed to go to war based on the information that was supplied to them by the Bush administration!

False. Russia notified the US that they independently had information of MWD, Britian as well. Add in France to that, (as they sold them to them ), so did Yemen, the German secret service claimed to have evidence as to WMD. In fact the mobile lab was found to have German supplied components. Passing this off on W, and his administration is a factor of the media and democrat's needing to regain their base. In fact the only ones claiming we misled them are the democrats.<br /><br />You could always rely on the UN, (cough cough - oil for food) but that would just be silly.

 

[rodbolt]

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what I find so funny is there is no defense by all the neocons on this board of the "improprites" by Cheney,Rove and the previously convicted scooter libby of late. there has been no mention of the investigation of operation"able danger, no mention of the PNAC and the wacko stuff they have come up with. no mention of a former presidential canditate and heavy neocon financial supporter calling for assasinating democratically elected heads of state. where is all the neocon ootrage of the PROVEN fact that we all got lied to by a hand full of people that stand to make a huge fortune with the pipeline acrossed afghanistan while using 8 military bases and troop to protect it? that pipeline has been planned since the mid ninties.<br /> seems Geehaw needs to pull a Reagan, he should fire all his staff and try again, it got Reagan out of trouble after almost 1/2 his staff were CONVICTED or had to quietly go away.(remember the Iran/Contra illegalities?) some of the same butchers are back in almost the same positions though. and even now we still cant find out exacly why we went to war, seems the reasons keep changing, about the only thing thats changing faster is the mission objective and the strategy for the future. I still say we are in the wrong country fighting the wrong war.<br /> seems no Iraqi involvent was ever shown in the 9/11 or other incidents, its all from business partners in suad,jordan and egypt mostly.<br /> I just wish someone could tell some truth now and again so 2 years later we dont have to hear so much I dont recall speeches.<br /> was saddam a mean evil rat bastird? yep. did we kill over 500,000 Iraqi children with about 10 years of sanctions? according to madiline Albright, yep, but she also quantified it with the statement,it was worth it.<br /> I have tried since joining the military in the 80's to figgue out our foriegn policy, our actions and why they asked me to possibly die in the sand. what I have found so far is it was mostly a military toy test and controling the oil reserves. no one seems to realize the vast reserves of oil and gas recently discovered in venezuela or the fact that we are seriously arming columbia while blocking arms and aircraft sales to venezuela. no one seems to care that last week the finacial reserves of VE were removed from the US. while all the attention is on one spot seems a lot of other spots are flaring up.<br /><br /> quiet cat<br /> I still dont see what whizzed in your weaties. our current administration is rapidly going the way of a semi-tolitarian system. to much spying and evesdropping and distrust and backroom meetings.<br /> seems if anyone says the emporor has no clothes they get attacked. the current Plame/wilson thing is a glaring example. the colin powell resignation was a bit quieter. but can you expand on what made you mad? I may have missed something. I hope I did anyway. maybe I misunderstood what jimonica wrote.

 

[DJ]

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jimonica,<br /><br />I never said a word about Washington. I mentioned our government EDUCATION SYSTEM. In other words schools.<br /><br />In case you were absent, 9-11 changed everything. There is a big difference between diligence and totalitarianism.

 

[QC]

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rodbolt,<br /><br />The difference between any US administration in History and the Nazis is like night and day. I believe in the words I use and I believe that others believe in their words. I just can't believe jimonica's words that equate any US gov't with truly EVIL empires. It blurs the distinction. It boggles the mind.<br /><br />Frankly, I can't believe you don't see the slap in your face. The US is not Evil. This is Euro-elitist crap that is regurgitated in our great universities