Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

[freddyray21]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

The only reason for the 24:1 oil use was the quality of oil. Any 24:1 motor will work fine using todays TCW-II or III oils. And smoke a lot less and polute less too.

that motor was made to run on 24:1 I run all of mine on what they are meant to run on.

 

[steelespike]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

Unless it has a late or replacemrnt powerhead it doesn't have needle bearings and uses 24:1 fuel mix.

Further info indicate motors before 62 don't have needle bearings.

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

Interesting statement. My 1958 5.5hp Johnson has been running on 50:1 for 6 years now and seems to still function. But then what do I know? I was only a certified Johnson/Evinrude factory mechanic. Like I said before, It's not the bearings that got better it is the oil and 50:1 will work just fine.

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

that motor was made to run on 24:1 I run all of mine on what they are meant to run on.

You would be wrong. Even the factory has said so.

 

[steelespike]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

Interesting statement. My 1958 5.5hp Johnson has been running on 50:1 for 6 years now and seems to still function. But then what do I know? I was only a certified Johnson/Evinrude factory mechanic. Like I said before, It's not the bearings that got better it is the oil and 50:1 will work just fine.

Perhaps your motor has a late model replacement power head.62 and later power heads are so equipped.

 

[freddyray21]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

oil is cheaper than a new motor. If you want to run your's on 50:1 then you can it's your motor. There were a few motors they recommended running on 100:1, but they were wrong in that and advised on those to go back to 50:1. It's an old debate and there are way to many threads out there on this forum to begin it anew. Let's see if we can get this running right first.

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

Perhaps your motor has a late model replacement power head.62 and later power heads are so equipped.

Not unless the phantom mechanic slipped into my shop and changed it. When I got the motor and tore it down it had babbitt bearings and still does. Will you guys understand that the new oils are at least 5 times better at oiling than the old oils. The TCW oils lubricate better than the older oils ever could, even at 24:1. The manufactures even found that running on 100:1 the motors will live. The problem was there wasn't good enough protection from corrosion from moisture in the air and the oil would wash off and there was metal to metal on start up after the motors set for a week or so. Hell, I have a 1933 3.3hp that is still running on 50:1.

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

oil is cheaper than a new motor. If you want to run your's on 50:1 then you can it's your motor. There were a few motors they recommended running on 100:1, but they were wrong in that and advised on those to go back to 50:1. It's an old debate and there are way to many threads out there on this forum to begin it anew. Let's see if we can get this running right first.

Well in 20 years as a factory certifies mechanic, I never had a older motor fail because of 50:1 as long as the TCW oils were used. But then the factories don't know squat.

 

[freddyray21]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

this is an old debate on this forum. If you wish to resurrect it find one of the old threads. Let's not get off track about what this thread is about.

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

So you would rather keep the myth than have the facts. Real good way to spread the true.

 

[jbjennings]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

FreddyRay has a good eye! I also think that the white spark comment points to a probable weak spark. Maybe dirty points, maybe weak coil---- but I'd get that spark right before I went any further. I'd also still clean the carb and replace the water pump impeller, but that's just me.

As to the correct fuel/oil mixture, I've noticed that most guys who love old outboards like to buy used ones that have been running 24:1 when that is what the owner's manual/inside of the cowl calls for.
For someone like me who's NOT a factory certified mechanic or anything else, I don't know if it has all needle bearings or not unless I ask an expert here, so if it says 24:1, I run it 24:1:redface:

BTW, doesn't the '63 model have a fuel pump rather than a pressure tank and is designed to run on 50:1 fuel/oil?
JBJ

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

If you're able to run an old 5 1/2 on 50:1, then it's likely it's worn enough to allow it. Myself, I wouldn't recemend it. You will definately shorten the life of it, simply because they are a friction type motor and not fully jeweled. Even the older fully jeweled motors have a softer alloy pistons which really aren't meant to be run on 50:1. They only need to get slightly warmer than normal to score them up. Adding a little more oil ensures longer life to the parts and less chance of piston scoring.

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

If you're able to run an old 5 1/2 on 50:1, then it's likely it's worn enough to allow it. Myself, I wouldn't recemend it. You will definately shorten the life of it, simply because they are a friction type motor and not fully jeweled. Even the older fully jeweled motors have a softer alloy pistons which really aren't meant to be run on 50:1. They only need to get slightly warmer than normal to score them up. Adding a little more oil ensures longer life to the parts and less chance of piston scoring.

Again you would be totally wrong. The old oils from the fifties and sixties were not near the quality and did not have the performance of the new TCW oils. Oh yeah, I've forgotten more about oils than you guys will ever know. When I was racing tunnel boats I had a Mercury factory racing design engineer teach me what he knew of oils, then and now. Oh yeah, he was on the design team for the Mercury Racing TI, TII and TIIX plus the V-6 design team. Comparing the old oils and their preformance with the TCW oils and their performance is like comparing a Model T to today's Corvette. Both are cars but not much else in common. My 1957 18 horse has run for 20 years on 50:1 and is still healthy as it was the day the factory rolled it out their door. But far be it from me to teach you the truth, since it is very apparent that you don't want to be confused with the facts, you would rather live in your fantasy world believing in myths and old tales. No wonder this coutry is in such sorry shape.

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

Again you would be totally wrong. The old oils from the fifties and sixties were not near the quality and did not have the performance of the new TCW oils. Oh yeah, I've forgotten more about oils than you guys will ever know. When I was racing tunnel boats I had a Mercury factory racing design engineer teach me what he knew of oils, then and now. Oh yeah, he was on the design team for the Mercury Racing TI, TII and TIIX plus the V-6 design team. Comparing the old oils and their preformance with the TCW oils and their performance is like comparing a Model T to today's Corvette. Both are cars but not much else in common. My 1957 18 horse has run for 20 years on 50:1 and is still healthy as it was the day the factory rolled it out their door. But far be it from me to teach you the truth, since it is very apparent that you don't want to be confused with the facts, you would rather live in your fantasy world believing in myths and old tales. No wonder this coutry is in such sorry shape.

No, this "coutry" in in such sorry shape because of attitudes like this. You really should be careful what you drink and how much, before coming here in this manner. Holy Christ.....chill out!

Yea, oil quality has improved. I won't argue that, but why take a chance? Sure your '57 18 will run fine on 50:1. They are better than most other motors and will run on just about anything. They are fully jeweled from top to bottom, like the bigger motors. However, I would not take a chance of running a friction motor on less than 24:1. I have rebuilt many of these, because others thought they could run 50:1. Your babbit rods will run hotter and often times will grove the crank journals. I've had them come in so bad that they bent. If the pistons are still in tight condition, they'll often times be scored.

I have swiped a lot of business from these "certified mechanics" in the past and I will continue to do so. Many of them are out to screw the other guy and like to take advantage of people. It really pisses me off when the senior citizens come to me after this kind of an incedent. So to me.....certifications don't mean squat.

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

No, this "coutry" in in such sorry shape because of attitudes like this. You really should be careful what you drink and how much, before coming here in this manner. Holy Christ.....chill out!

Yea, oil quality has improved. I won't argue that, but why take a chance? Sure your '57 18 will run fine on 50:1. They are better than most other motors and will run on just about anything. They are fully jeweled from top to bottom, like the bigger motors. However, I would not take a chance of running a friction motor on less than 24:1. I have rebuilt many of these, because others thought they could run 50:1. Your babbit rods will run hotter and often times will grove the crank journals. I've had them come in so bad that they bent. If the pistons are still in tight condition, they'll often times be scored.

I have swiped a lot of business from these "certified mechanics" in the past and I will continue to do so. Many of them are out to screw the other guy and like to take advantage of people. It really pisses me off when the senior citizens come to me after this kind of an incedent. So to me.....certifications don't mean squat.

Still wrong, at least you guys are consistent. I quite drinking in a war zone long, long ago. You never swiped any business from me or my shop. Yep, you are the self proclaimed expert that knows everything, unfortunately most of it is wrong. But like I said, they can listen to the guy with all the wrong answers, that would be you if you missed that, or get the actual facts. Makes no difference to me. Cost me nothing for you to give them the wrong info. Be my freakin' guest and let the good old boys know all that you know. It won't be right but you don't care, it cost you nothing out of your pocket. Yeah, you really are what's wrong with this country. A self proclaimed savior, just like the moron obama.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

Hell, I have a 1933 3.3hp that is still running on 50:1.

Speaking of maybe being wrong, what 3.3 is that by the way as Johnson and Evinrude did not make a 3.3hp in '33.

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

Speaking of maybe being wrong, what 3.3 is that by the way as Johnson and Evinrude did not make a 3.3hp in '33.

Gee I'm sorry, A 1 year typo, make it a 1934. Model F-70. But it pretty much means you know I'm right when you have to start nitpicking a typo. Sorry excuse for a way to make yourself look right.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

An F-70 it is! Cool. You must have a lot of old engines to miss the year though as I that if I had a classic like that'd I think I'd remember it. And yes I did go look it up as I didn't know they made the 3.3's that long ago. I thought they started in the 40's. And yes I nit pick the years as in the later models that I deal with a year can make a big difference... But not all of the time!

 

[Bear 45/70]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

An F-70 it is! Cool. You must have a lot of old engines to miss the year though as I that if I had a classic like that'd I think I'd remember it. And yes I did go look it up as I didn't know they made the 3.3's that long ago. I thought they started in the 40's. And yes I nit pick the years as in the later models that I deal with a year can make a big difference... But not all of the time!

First off sorry for acting like a butt head. I have a few oldies, but since I retired I just seem to not have enough time for the old toys so much. I seem to have too much going on elsewhere. I would collect them from all the small shops around the Puget Sound area. I only have about a half dozen left, as I have let a number of them go to collectors that restore. The newest motor I own anymore is a 1976 Mercury 1500XS, left over from racing years ago.

 

[freddyray21]

Re: Need Help with a 1963 Evinrude 5.5HP

this thread has gotten way off track. I am sure the guy that started it has long given up on getting any good advice with all the arguing about the oil. Bear you may be right you may be wrong I don't know. None of us here except you claim to be experts. We are giving our opinion from our experience. Since you are a bit new here as am I relatively just give your opinion based on your experience and let others take it for what it is worth. The cream will rise to the top.