new brand of outboards i found today in my marina

[RRitt]

Re: new brand of outboards i found today in my marina

Actually they are made in china and sold mostly in austraila and other countries other then the u.s.I found this on the main website if it helps any.

Hangzhou Hidea Power Machinery Co., Ltd. (Hereinafter called Hidea) , located in Hangzhou of China, is one of the most professional manufacturer in outboard motor. It is a high-tec enterprise which integrates R&D, manufacturing and marketing with its own professional team. The annual production capacity reaches 50,000 units.

Hidea owns R&D center, advanced production line, strict testing system and high-efficiency after-sales service system. It cooperates with China First Auto Works Corp. (FAW), who provides strong capital and technological support. Hidea was approved by ISO9001 international quality system, and won many hornors by its excellent performance & steady quality, such as CE, EPA and VCA certificates.

Hidea outboard motors include four-stroke series and two-stroke series. It's an export-oriented enterprise, the products are spreading North America, South America, West Europe, East Europe, Africa and Aisa Pacific countries, such as America, Chile, Germany, Netherlands, Russia, Australia, Vietnam, Israel, South Africa, Egypt etc.

With the concepts of integrity, confidence, observant and innovation, Hidea concentrates on researching and producing environmental products, tries its best to provide better life for humanity. Hidea sincerely welcomes corporations and personalities of all walks of life at home and abroad to establish partnership with us and create a promising future.

For passion, at the exciting moment. For love, in the precious memories. Enjoy quality, enjoy life!

let somebody else be the guinea pig hunting for parts. You've lived this long with 2 strokes so i doubt another year or two is gonna kill you. If you look hard enough you will find a marine blog that compares all the different chinese outboards from the perspective of historic engineering experience, quality, reliability, and service. According to him, the hidea is new, unknown, and high risk along in all categories. The only chinese outboard he gave thumbs up is a 2stroke company that was making outboards before the chinese started selling stuff to walmart.

IMO, if you just have to have a shiny new motor then go buy a rebuilt evinrude and tell the guy to spray paint it before delivery. Based on questions posted and the demand for specific used parts the 1980 2stroke evinrudes appear to be one of the most indestructable outboard engines made.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: new brand of outboards i found today in my marina

"Tohatpoo"

We actually call them To*hitsu's

And the other winners are

Susuckis

Yamahahahahahas

Eeeecktecs

Mercury will always be "Black anchors"

Honkas

As to the Hidea being a viable line of outboards.

Seriously?

 

[boater1234]

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RRITT i know nothing about the evinrudes besides the 2 i have had were duds.I'm not saying they all are.I belive most of any major brand of outboard of today is all built well and reliable,including like merc,tohatsu,evinrude,honda,yamaha and suzuki.Most people grew up with a brand being drilled in their head by certain people.They say this brand is the best,they say that brand is the best.No one really knows who makes the best.I was always told growing up mercs were total junk and never get them.Well i own a 15hp 2stroke merc and it is the most reliable and powerful 15 i have ever owned.I have also heard growing up tohatsus were junk and i bought one of those 10yrs ago and it was bulletproof.It's mostly how you take care of a motor no matter what brand it is.Yes there is some lemons just like cars and everything else we buy.But i belive most if not almost all outboards are built extremely well and will hold up to all the elements you throw at them.

 

[ONERCBOATER]

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wow that was an interesting read, i would like to share my thoughts on this as well.
Chinese products were once considered cheap junk (as were japanese before them) i have been watching the quality steadily rise over the years.
small engines made in china are a lil bit hit and miss, the more reliable and higher quality ones are using japanese bearing and loudly advertise so. China seems to have issues making very precise steel components such as bearing. So far my milling machine (a copy of a bridgeport) has 12 yrs of use on it and the only thing that has failed is belts, and end mills that have worn out.
I have noted over the yrs that most cast aluminum and esp iron and seems to come from china, india, or mexico..... at least in this area of the US.
I have also found if you take apart the better quality chinese small engines, they are most often a complete copy of a japanese engine with chinese castings, japanese bearings, and a walbro,zama, or mikuni carb.... though recently i have noted chinese copies of most of the major carb makers carbs that aside from the markings were identical to look at, but performed inferiorly to the genuine carbs.

that said the engines themselves were just as good or very close to their japanese counterparts....and often 50% less cost for 95% identical item.

I have also noted that their electronics are getting better and better... all that said...
I own johnson's and mercury's and would have no issue with suzuki, yamaha,nissan, tohatsu or honda.... but here in Yuma AZ mercs and johnyrudes are most common followed by hondas...then the others. And it imagine it will stay that way as the local dealers do not seem very inclined to stock parts for anything that isnt a merc or johnyrude.

I would suggest you stick with your known good engine, save up your money and get the engine you really want rather then going from 2 stroke 15 to 4 stroke (not sure of history) 15. That is just my two cents.

Sean

 

[boater1234]

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You know what sean you are right on,that is what i'm gonna do.I was just wondering what people thought of these new outboards.Plus i have never owned a 4stroke.It would be nice to fire up a nice quiet motor and not get a big puff of smoke in your face while idleing down my canal.I really want the 20hp tohatsu or merc as they are pretty much the same motor except for a few small features.I have been interested in that 20hp outboard for a long time now.This motor just caught my eye for $1600.It's hard to pass up.But like a few people said here if your gonna spend that kind of money i might as well save a few more bucks and get a well known brand that will back it's products for sure.I do have a great motor now in the 15hp 2stroke merc but like i said the idea of no mixing oil,no smoke,nice and quiet,maybe a hair better on fuel economy as motors this size are close in fuel consumption,better for the economy,Yea it's a little heavier 40lbs more but the pros may out weigh the cons.Plus i get 5 more hp to work with not that it is a huge difference but it will help on heavy loads with power out of the hole and maybe a few mph more.I just really like the way the tohatsu/merc 20hp is designed,it's a beast from what i have seen in videos.

 

[javsam]

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well i was doing some outboard shopping today and stumbled on a new brand of outboards today thats made in china,they are hidea outboards.They make them up to 15hp.I have seen them a couple of times on you tube running and they look like fine motors.The guy told me that they are a knockoff of the yamaha.He sells all the major brands of motors including yamaha.It so happens he had a brand new 15hp 4stroke yamaha in his shop also,he put the 2 motors side by side and i have to tell you it was very hard to tell them apart as they were almost identical.The only difference was were the water/fuel seperator was/other then that it was a clone of the yamaha.I know the guy very well at the marina who is selling these hidea motors and they are going to become more popular slowly in our neck of the woods because of there pricing and they are very reliable from what he has heard.

Not to many people know about these motors yet.He has had trouble selling them because people really don't know much about them.They can't be that bad as they are very close to the yamaha.If you go down the specs they are almost the same besides the displacement.But if people do remember the older yamaha 15hp 4strokes were at 323cc's as this motor is.He bought 20 motors and has sold 15 of them in a yr which is not to bad i guess.He also sells all the other brands also.He said all the customers who bought them said they were awesome motors for the money.He has one 15hp short shaft left.The price on it is $1900,he offerd it to me for $1700 out the door and it comes with a 2.5yrs of warranty.

Has anyone owned one of these,also what is anyones thoughts on them if anyone has seen them.It is almost impossible to find a brand new 15hp 4stroke with a warranty for $1700.It may be worth the risk.When i tell you also if you put the yamaha and the hidea side by side you could not tell the difference i mean that.The whole motor,the way it's set up,the gear shifter,it just looks identical.The only bad thing i can think of is customer service as i don't know how many marinas here in the usa sell them yet.But he plans on selling them full time so i have a dealer right down the road from me if anything goes wrong.Ok very anxious to hear what people think about these motors.

I would not even consider it.Think about what your going to do when you need replacement parts or service work.
I would look for a used American made outboard,as it would be alot easier to get parts or service work performed.

 

[boater1234]

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Well i found what may be the deal of the century on boat trader today.It's a 2009 15hp 4stroke merc with elec start and power tilt for $1900,It's a demo.It also has a tranferable warranty till oct 2013,so i'm gonna go check that out today to see how nice it is.It is right down the street from me.If this is what it says it is then i will jump on that as a new one out of the box is close to $3500.That price is also from online outboards,the $3500 which is usually the cheapest.I don't think i can pass that up if it is true and the dealer didn't miss print it.I will find out tomorrow.I don't need all the electric and power tilt but for $1900 anyone would be a fool to pass it up considering a manual 15hp merc is $2400 or more.I really want to get a 20hp tohatsu but like i said why not get a deal of a lifetime.Man i hope it's not a miss print.

 

[hibbert6]

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I'm a music teacher. 25 years ago, the kids began showing up with $100 Chinese violins, They were junk. But they began to get better over the years, and now, they're the only way to go for most schools.

About 30 years ago, I'd guess, Yamaha began making Band instruments in Japan. It wasn't long before they bested the American & European brands, even at the professional level. Yamaha student instruments are now generally considered the best, but they cost more than American or European student instruments!

Band instruments have only recently come from China. You can buy them at Target & Costco. They cannot be repaired, generally. (And kid's instruments always need repairs...) The repair shops will tell you - the horns use "pot metal" - an alloy of whatever they have available - so they are very difficult to solder, braze or weld. Parts are non-existent. But, hey, you can buy a trumpet or clarinet for $129...(and throw it away when it breaks.)

 

[old boat 54]

Re: new brand of outboards i found today in my marina

Yep,
Crap from China. Lead based paint on motors, and now on the little toys that your kids get.
Better check the pot metal on those band instruments, it might be some scrap form a nuclear plant. Do they glow in the dark ? I sure would not my kids putting a reed from a sax or horn in there mouth from that country. Who knows what they soaked that in.
I'm in the electrical busniness, and some of the fittings (connectors, couplings) used for conduit are made there, and are junk. Cross threaded, bad threads, do not tight up correctly, ect. Not one or two, 50% of the box.
Not to worry though, The workers in China are getting smarter. They want higher wages, getting orginized labor, Soon they will have close to the same wage, and will still make the same junk. Then, maybe, some of the manufactures will get back here.

 

[boater1234]

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Well as i thought the ad was a miss print.It is a 2009 15hp merc short shaft with like 3hrs on it and a warranty till oct 2012 for $1900.No power tilt or electric start,but $1900 for an almost new merc is good as they are around $2300-$2400 avg new out of the box.[I FIGURED SINCE EVERYONE HAD AGREED HERE THAT BUYING THE CHINA MADE OUTBOARD WAS A BIG RISK,I MAY GO THIS ROUTE].I made an offer to the marina for $1700 and the guy said $1750 is as low as he will go.I will see tomorrow what happens as it has been storming here all day.

The thing i would like to know is,would a 15hp 4stroke have the same torque as a 15hp 2stroke because i know they changed the gear ratio in the 4strokes recently to try and boost the power in them,they also gave it a hair bit more displacement at 351 cc's instead of 323 cc's like the older 15hp 4stroke mercs.I understand there is a big weight difference as my 2stroke weighs 72lbs and the 4stroke weighs in at 114lbs but will the gear ratio on the 4stroke make up for the lost power compared to the 2 stroke,in other words will it be some what close in power.As long as there is not a big gap in power between them i may just buy the 4stroke and sell the 2stroke.

Anyone have some knowledge on the comparison.would it be worth it?I have never owned a 4stroke and just ran by this motor by chance on boat trader and went and checked it out today and it is flat out flawless,not a scratch on it,no ,missing paint from the prop or skeg.It looked like it never has been used once.Is it worth buying this one and trading it out for my 15hp 2stroke that is also like new?If they make close to the same power then i will go with the 4stroke as i like to have a cleaner motor,no mixing gas,no smell,etc.My biggest scare is the power difference that is all.

 

[JimS123]

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You just NEED to buy a new motor don't you....LOL. The power difference, fuel economy, huge differences in service requirements are all quite known and well documented. Just google it and the pundits will tell all. Boattest.com has a lot of good info as well, plus that will give real life data not forum member's ideas.

EDIT - I didn't say huge huge....there is a glitch here that often repeats the last word on a line....wish they would fix fix that as its anoying anoying.

 

[boater1234]

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No it's not that i want a new motor just want to try a 4stroke if it is worth it.I have never owned a 4stroke and i hear some good things about them.You want to really know what i found that no one can beat,a brand new 30hp etec electric start,15 inch shaft for you ready for this $3000+tax,unheard of.I have never found a 30hp etec that cheap and i bargain shop like no other.The marina i go to got 3 of them from another dealer,they got them in as repos still in the box.He has a new 2011 25hp etec in his shop that is $3500+tax or 2 2010 30hp etecs that are $3000+tax because they are dealer repos.The dealer bought himself one for his sons 16ft jon boat.He said his cost as a dealer on a new 2011 30hp etec is more then that.So he has 2 left.Man that sounds really tempting.To bad i don't have that kind of money to blow or i would buy both and sell one.

 

[boater1234]

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Well i got me a new motor today.Now i must decide to keep the 15hp 2stroke or this brand new 15hp 4stroke merc i found on craigslist today for $1400.I mean this motor has not even had gas ran in it or oil for that matter.Never been started.But i will tell you one thing it's one heavy motor at 118lbs compared to my 72lb 2stroke.It will be a tough decision.This 4stroke looks like it just came right out of the box.The weight makes me a little hesitant to put it on my boat even know it can handle up to a 25hp motor.

 

[JimS123]

Re: new brand of outboards i found today in my marina

Well i got me a new motor today.Now i must decide to keep the 15hp 2stroke or this brand new 15hp 4stroke merc i found on craigslist today for $1400.I mean this motor has not even had gas ran in it or oil for that matter.Never been started.But i will tell you one thing it's one heavy motor at 118lbs compared to my 72lb 2stroke.It will be a tough decision.This 4stroke looks like it just came right out of the box.The weight makes me a little hesitant to put it on my boat even know it can handle up to a 25hp motor.

OMG, what an outstanding opportunity for an Engineering study. Don't sell the thing! In my youth, that's what I did every time I changed props, motor height, modified the boat bottom, etc, etc.

So, hang the 2-stroke on the back, then collect some data. Compare rpm vs. mph vs. gph vs. mpg vs. dB. Check time to plane and time to max speed. Then hang the 4-stroke on and do the same.

You can do better than boatest.com because they don't spend much time on the smaller outboards. Please publish the data. Lots of us are thinking about a 4-stroke too.

 

[ONERCBOATER]

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"OMG, what an outstanding opportunity for an Engineering study. Don't sell the thing! In my youth, that's what I did every time I changed props, motor height, modified the boat bottom, etc, etc.

So, hang the 2-stroke on the back, then collect some data. Compare rpm vs. mph vs. gph vs. mpg vs. dB. Check time to plane and time to max speed. Then hang the 4-stroke on and do the same.

You can do better than boatest.com because they don't spend much time on the smaller outboards. Please publish the data. Lots of us are thinking about a 4-stroke too."------JimS123


I too would be VERY greatful for that, please do so before you get rid of the two stroke.... the more information we can get on this the better a choice we can make, I may very well be looking at a 4 stroke before long the way the ECO nuts are going in this country... would be very nice to know that i need to add a few horses or that i could drop a few and get same performance.

Sean

 

[jbjennings]

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Why worry about it? Heck, he's going to say the 4-stroke is quieter and gets better fuel economy since he doesn't use it WOT all that often. Then he's going to say it doesn't have nearly the power to plane out his boat that the 2-stroke has, nor the top end if any weight amount to much is aboard---and that it's heavy on the back of his boat. At least that's my prediction of what he'll say.
I've had a 4-stroke merc for about 2 weeks in mint condition. It got sold quick. Too heavy, no power. It ran smoothly and started easy and was relatively quiet at idle. Also, it had a wimpy lower unit. I think it was about a 2004 model IIRC.
I hope the OP likes his though---if he fishes alone without much extra weight in the boat, he might love it,
JBJ

 

[boater1234]

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Well here is the problem,i'm not going to even start it if i'm going to sell it as it will loose a ton of value.Trust me on this also i sell motors all the time and i have had a ton of calls already from putting it on craigslist for $2095obo.I know that is extremely high and it may not sell for that.I always test the market first to see how they respond.But like i have told all the people who have asked me here for advice on how to make money on a outboard,you put it as high as you want and when you start getting calls leave it there.That means people are very interested but they may not come look at it.I will lower the price after this weekend $50 every few days till either i sell it or i hit $1850 and the lowest i will take is $1800 cash as it has a full warranty.You go buy it new like this one and they run around $2400 or more unless you really look hard as most people don't do like me to find these motors.This is the only motor i have ever bought that was not run or even had oil in it.The motor has never even been put on a boat,so i will not start it as long as it is for sale.The only difference is this one has no box around it as i have all the paperwork,manual,tool kits,gas tank,gas line and whatever was in the box.I will tell you it's very tempting to keep it.That is why i want to get a hold of another one that has been used and if i'm happy with the way it performs i will keep the 4stroke and dump the 2stroke.I won't have to worry about taking it on and off as i will bolt it on for good.

But i found another 2010 15hp 4stroke merc for almost the same price[same exact motor i have now]I may pick that up here real soon and compare them like you guys want.You guys are very right though,there is very little data comparing the smaller 2strokes to 4strokes.The only thing i can say from the 2004 model that jb had they changed the gear ratio which gives it a much needed torque boost.The weight has come down a little from then.If you guys go to you tube and punch in a 15hp 4stroke there is so many live videos and people that test there outboards there with data.From what i have seen on the videos the 15 and 20hp 4stroke merc/nissan/tohatsu has mega power and i saw a 20hp merc move a family of 4 on an inflatable which is hard to get going right around 24mph.They are power houses.But i have also seen a ton of 15hp 2stroke mercs and yamahas on there scoot some boats close to 30mph.I think top end would be almost the same but from what i have seen on these videos the 15 or 20 4stroke power is very close to the 2stroke.You must go there to see it for your own eyes as i don't think i will ever convince anyone unless they see it for yourself.


The one thing i can't stand is the weight.I can move my 2stroke with one hand the 4stroke almost killed me i had to carry it over 75yrds and my arms are bruised from it.They are some heavy sob's.I have to finish painting my 2stroke this week coming up as it is going to be warm and dry for like a week.Once that is done i will go out and test the 15 2stroke i have with the data,i have to go buy a hand held gps.What is a good inexpensive one to get that is easy to use for what i wanna do?Were should i go to get it to?In the meanwhile i will try to get the other 15 4stroke or find another newer one.I will get it i just won't run this one if i am going to sell it,i hope you guys understand it can make or break a good sale.But i do promise once i get the 4stroke as i will i will compare them for sure.

I also just picked up a newer 2010 9.8 nissan that has like 3hrs use for a great price with a full warranty.That is for sale also but i'm going to use it this weekend to see what it's got and i will report back on it if you guys want.I have never had a 4stroke on my boat so this will be a first for me.Ok if there is any info you guys can help me with on the gps that would be great.Next week i'm picking up a 14ft jon boat,trailer and a 2011 9.9 merc from a guy for cheap,he just wants it gone.It is the same motor as the nissan as it is made from tohatsu so i can't see there being any performance difference at all.

 

[JimS123]

Re: new brand of outboards i found today in my marina

You want it but you don't want it. Start it and be done with it. Until you get the data you can't make up your mind and you'll always be wondering. You got it so cheep anyway, you can at least sell it for what you paid even if you scratch it a few times. Even if you lose money, what's the difference? You learned what you needed to learn. Knowledge is priceless!

 

[boater1234]

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Hey jim i don't know how much you know about selling outboards but if i start this outboard it is considered used,if i don't it will continue to be brand new which is what i want as of now.I'm going to keep it up for sale till the end of the month and if it doesn't sell i will just keep it and sell the 2stroke.But as of now i have gold in my hand and i don't want silver or bronze to sell as if i start it that is what will happen.The chances of finding a motor that has never been started is so rare and worth good money.I am worried about making money as of now with this one.Like i said i just found another 2010 merc,the same exact yr and motor and i'm working on the price for this one.This guy wants more for a used one then a brand new one,but thats why it's been for sale for months now.He can't sell it for what he wants and will have to come down on it or just keep it.These 15hp 4stroke mercs are for sale everywhere,i will find one and get the data for everyone who wants it.Just have to be patient till i find a used one.I am testing a newer 9.8 nissan next week with like 3hrs on it and will post the results after i'm done.

 

[pine island fred]

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Sounds like you really need to get this out of your system. I thought you were really interested in buying an off brand outboard but all you want to do is talk about low HP. units. Good for you!! You should consider renting a small/ cheap store front ( lots of them out there ), and start buying and selling, new and used . In this economy there are a lot of overstocked dealers out there where you can get bargains by taking them off their hands. Only open the store front for a few HRs. on the weekends and you will be mobbed. Buy low, sell high. BTW, they are not that rare. I have a 50 2 stroke that is really in the box, been collecting dust for 2 years now. FRED