Overweight 8-Year-Old May Be Taken Into Protective Custody

[crunch]

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I think we need a new Federal Bureaucracy.... The Department of Public Health.

They could manage every aspect of our lives, from what, and how much we eat to when, what kind, and how long we exercise everyday... with enforcement powers!!!!

They could set minimum standards for body mass index, blood pressure, pulse rate, and cholesterol levels by age group. They could monitor everyone’s calorie intake by food group and make sure everyone eats all of their vegetables.

We need minimum mandatary jail sentences for offenders where they will be force fed the correct, as defined by The DPH, dietary regimen and attend support groups where individual therapies can be developed to meet DPH criteria.

This would save the US government 560 million dollars per year in unnecessary heath related cost due to unhealthy eating habits of the average American Citizen.

Think of how much longer, and healthier, the average Citizen would live!!!

We formally submit a first year budget request of 2 billion dollars to setup this new program, and an additional request of 423 million dollars for a study on how this department can be expanded to include all aspects of everyday life that may shorten the life span of the American citizen.

Remember, it’s only for Your benifit.

 

[Plainsman]

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Eric, my advice is fall back & regroup....
Your positionis untenable....
I strongly advise you to 'Cut & Run!'............JK

Sorry haut, I can't do it! I wouldn't know how.
(but lol anyway)

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Overweight 8-Year-Old May Be Taken Into Protective Custody

I think we need a new Federal Bureaucracy.... The Department of Public Health.

They could manage every aspect of our lives, from what, and how much we eat to when, what kind, and how long we exercise everyday... with enforcement powers!!!!

They could set minimum standards for body mass index, blood pressure, pulse rate, and cholesterol levels by age group. They could monitor everyone’s calorie intake by food group and make sure everyone eats all of their vegetables.

We need minimum mandatary jail sentences for offenders where they will be force fed the correct, as defined by The DPH, dietary regimen and attend support groups where individual therapies can be developed to meet DPH criteria.

This would save the US government 560 million dollars per year in unnecessary heath related cost due to unhealthy eating habits of the average American Citizen.

Think of how much longer, and healthier, the average Citizen would live!!!

We formally submit a first year budget request of 2 billion dollars to setup this new program, and an additional request of 423 million dollars for a study on how this department can be expanded to include all aspects of everyday life that may shorten the life span of the American citizen.

Remember, it’s only for Your benifit.

Now that sounds like lib advice crunch 8)

you have a pm

 

[crunch]

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Just so all of you that believe the lastest word from the experts.... here is the latest, latest word.....

Two of the most popular products in Britain’s vast health food industry come under attack today, as scientists cast doubts on the benefits of vitamin supplements and low-fat dairy products. Research published today suggests that regular consumption of a wide range of vitamin pills, taken by more than ten million people in the UK, may actually increase the risk of dying, while eating low-fat dairy products could make it harder for some women to conceive.

The vitamin study, published in The Journal of the American Medical Association, overturns earlier research suggesting that vitamins A, E and beta carotene could protect against heart disease and cancer.

But far from helping, the new study says, the evidence is that taking vitamins, either singly or as part of a multivitamin pill, actually increases mortality by 5 per cent.

The scientists, based at Copenhagen University Hospital, who carried out an in-depth analysis of research involving more than 200,000 people, conclude that the “public health consequences could be substantial”.

A second study in the journal Human Reproduction, by researchers from Harvard Medical School , indicates that the rush into low-fat foods, driven by fear of heart disease and obesity may also have consequences for fertility.

The researchers found that women eating normal amounts of low-fat dairy products stood a higher risk of failing to conceive. Their diet appears to be implicated in a failure to ovulate, which is responsible for 12 to 15 per cent of cases of infertility. Women who ate whole-fat dairy products suffered fewer cases of this form of infertility.

Ever stop to think these guys change direction as often as a yo-yo?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/healthy_eating/article1450160.ece

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Part of the vast left wing conspiracy to lower the birth rate, no doubt...........:^
He's a child, not a prize hog.....
I beg that you can see the difference.....d

 

[Dunaruna]

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[colour=blue]O/K, I get it now. No regulations, no big brother. Let stupid people do stupid stuff until they die or just disappear - as long as they don't affect me or my family (or monopolise the services that are paid for by my hard earned taxes).

Great plan.

Last time I checked, we (humans) were a communal tribe, we live, play and work together. Not just the smart ones, the stupid ones also.

 

[QC]

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Well I tend to agree with Eric (sorry Plainsman, forgot again if it is a "c" or a "k"), because the serious question here is line drawing. Where and when should the State step in? It is not a crime to be stupid . . . it is however a crime to sell people in almost every country I can think of, so the 17 y/o girl deal is very clear to me. What is not clear to me is where this line should be drawn for exposing kids to unhealthy stuff.

Examples: It is unhealthy to expose kids to Carbon Monoxide . . . the most likely example of this exposure that I can think of off hand is the stern area of a boat. Should you not be allowed to have your children sitting in the stern area? How far from the stern? Under sail? At idle? Less than 7 MPH with an 8 MPH wind from the NNE on Lake Michigan if returning to Chicago from Wisconsin?

Stupid? OK then, second hand smoke? Many of you are passionate about this issue. Should parents be at risk of prosecution if smoke drifts into their baby's crib? "Depends on how much smoke." Gov't issued smoke testing stuff? Maximum number of Cigarettes allotted to parents of small children?

Stupid? OK how about fat in food? Isn't the New York ban on trans fats just that? I don't remember what exact type of fat, so if I got it wrong, sorry. I don't care . . .

Yes, these parents may not be controlling their child properly, but I am sure he also has medical and mental issues that are causing this too. And you think protective custody would be healthy for this child? Bleeeccchh. Also, again where's the line? 8 y/o and 150 lbs? 175 lbs? 181.7 lbs.? What if the kid is 6' 3" at 8? Stupid? Seriously, who makes these decisions? When? Every year? Month? The doctor must report parents with overweight children?

In the US we freak out if somebody wants to check email for possible terrorist connections, but it's OK to take your kids from you because they're fat and they hide food?

I am sorry, but the issue is not this one kid. I agree with Jason also about parent's responsibilities once they have children, and I HATE child abuse, but again these are dangerous lines to draw. Hillary and Aldo are right, it takes a Village. However, the Village that I envision is my neighbors, this board, our local community. Those are the people that need to help this family. Not some Gov't bureaucrat who has decided that any 8 y/o above 177.6 lbs must be taken from his/her parents. No way!

Edit: BTW, great thread, not sure why I ignored it until now. And although even this could get heated, it is a good debate, that I could see having with friends, on a dock, sucking on a couple of cold ones . . .

 

[JRJ]

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Well stated QC and I agree.

 

[RubberFrog]

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I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
That's child abuse.
Somebody ought to slap his mother. And feed that fatso a vegetable.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Wow, usually you put up a good arguement.....
But not today....
What happened?
Your examples are lame.....
If nothing else the kid needs some time away from the 'enabling' environment that he is in.......

He has double, treble what a normal boy (of his age) would have, but if I didn't give him enough at teatime then he would just go on at us all night for snacks and stuff," she told ITV.

By her own admission, he wears her down & she gives in.........
I really don't see this as any different from a drug or alchohol problem......
Would it be OK to remove him for treatment then?

 

[JRJ]

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What kind of "treatment"?

 

[QC]

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Messr. Kopec,

It is supposed to illustrate the slippery slope and of course the liberal side of your split personality didn't get it.

Sign on lawn in Northern Virginia area:
Frogger for Fat Kid Police Commissioner
"I knows it when I sees it"

 

[Haut Medoc]

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How about an inpatient 'Fatty Rehab'?
Counseling of course.....
Exercise......
A means of limiting his food intake.......
Tests to see if their is an underlying medical issue.....
Something more than hand wringing.......
That seems all his mother seems to be to do......
A month of intense therapy ain't gonna kill him......

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Qc, your examples don't have visible effects......
His condition does......
If the kid were on drugs or booze, I'm sure you would see fit to act.......

 

[JRJ]

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Now I'm worrying about the kids that are too tall and too short. More treatment I guess:%

 

[Haut Medoc]

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No one has control over either of those conditions.....
However, the technology exists to help his condition....
Keep going....

 

[QC]

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Herr Haut,

Do you not see the liberal, leftist, commie-esque, I know better than she does, hypocrisy to your statements?

I was just hangin' out over in the Al thread, and frankly Boomer is making a heck of a lot more sense than you are. It is this "we can make everyone healthy, and safe, and financially sound, and protect their children from them, and manipulate the planet's weather and all this really nice stuff. And how dare those fascist, freedom stealing righties even think we aren't right. Man they're stupid and paranoid." Is this hypocrisy not obvious to you?

FWIW, it is soooo clear to me how fascism and communism meet at their extreme ends. "Vee vill build and define the perfect child. Not too fat, not too thin, blue eyes, blond hair, and vee vill provide zee perfect veather to go along vith this child. If the people resist, shoot them."

 

[tommays]

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My parents had a huge burden with my brothers they did everything at a huge personal cost to allow them to live as normal a life as could be and they do

Mind you the smart thing at the time was to hide them away in a ward and wash your hands of there problems


Nobody wants to take away the child they just want him to see a doctor and be given a chance of haveing a normal life

Let him keep going like this and then will be supprised when he turns into a serial killer because he so filled with hate from his childhood

Tommays

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Boom does make some good points, however he sees a Commie plot around every corner & under every rock....
This is one extreme case....
I'm sure there are others......
That is part of his/your problem.....
That is to say that you are afraid to give an inch for fear that they will take a mile......
I ain't saying shoot him, I'm saying put him on a flippin' diet for the love o' Pete......
His parents are either unwilling or unable to perform this simple task......
Again, I reiterate.....
If it were drugs/alchohol at issue, you would have the kid & parents locked up in a heartbeat......

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Do you not see the liberal, leftist, commie-esque, I know better than she does, hypocrisy to your statements?

I do when it hits me upside the head!....
My first comment on this thread was "That boy needs help"......
His parents have a responsibility.......
I see them as failing in that responsibility......
& I feel that action should be taken.....