PB Explained

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: PB Explained

Hi guys,
This is one very interesting thread about an age old problem...

No its not an age old problem.

I will stick to my guns on this.

I suggested that "PB" is used as a term here ( and searched with pages "what is PB" )

Im not saying you cant post in a thread that you have to use 'PB' .. but suggested that PB is a generic term for 'Filler'.

There are pages of "what is 'PB' .. do you all know what it is and how its used is what Im suggesting. ..

Its just a filler ..

Others suggested making a sticky on this ..

Am I right or Wrong on saying 'PB' is just a word/phrase on just the same thing I am talking about ?

"You have to make some 'PB' to insure your tabbings" . .. now what the hell is that statement ? Look to another post on "how to make PB " ? .. and are you suggesting that we make it out of One specific mix ?

Again .. and I suggest Again .. the PB is just outdated..

Yes I suggest we call it for what it is. It defines the use of 'fillers'. .. if you cant define What filler is needed in an application .. then I suggest you Dont help the OP ..

YD.

 

[Woodonglass]

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I will stick to MY guns on this as well. It's obvious You don't like "PB" to describe Thickened Resin for WHATEVER application. So don't use it. But don't try and make the members here on the forum stop using it just because YOU don't like it. I think the members should be able to decide what THEY want to use to describe the materials they use.

 

[denlynn36]

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It's been my experience that when terminology sticks around like PB seems to have, it's because the people relate to it and WANT it to. I see NO reason why it could not be explained in detail in a STICKY at the top as many other topics have.

Exactly... Im active duty Army and we dont call ANYTHING what it really is. We make things stupid simple and use names that people can relate to better (make better sense of) and they seem to stick. I think the English language is like that in whole.. just browse the urban dictionary, wait.. there is no such thing as an "urban" dictionary..

Den

 

[carribbean soul]

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just browse the urban dictionary, wait.. there is no such thing as an "urban" dictionary..

Den

yes there is just "Google it"

 

[carribbean soul]

Re: PB Explained

dbl post.

 

[denlynn36]

Re: PB Explained

yes there is just "Google it"

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[idonthaveaname]

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[Yacht Dr.]

Re: PB Explained

I will stick to MY guns on this as well. It's obvious You don't like "PB" to describe Thickened Resin for WHATEVER application. So don't use it. But don't try and make the members here on the forum stop using it just because YOU don't like it. I think the members should be able to decide what THEY want to use to describe the materials they use.

Please read my post above yours

I suggested that "PB" is used as a term here ( and searched with pages "what is PB" )

Im not saying you cant post in a thread that you have to use 'PB' .. but suggested that PB is a generic term for 'Filler'.

Yes I suggest we call it for what it is. It defines the use of 'fillers'. .. if you cant define What filler is needed in an application .. then I suggest you Dont help the OP ..

YD.

Now as you can see I am NOT trying to eliminate "PB" from the forums. Not at all. ..

Again. .. Let me try to explain what I am trying to suggest.

Use the Term "PB" all you want .. however it would be helpful to Define exactly What Filler components will go into the "PB" that you are suggesting to use.

Examples:

Q. How do I help tab in my stringers to avoid small pockets of air.
A. Mix up some PB and use as a fillet. ( Not really telling you What PB to use ).
Q. Whats PB ?

Q. I have some stress cracks and I would like to know whats the best way to repair.
A. Mix up some PB then sand and apply gelcoat. ( Again not really telling you What filler to use ).
Q. Whats PB?

Now typically the answer to "whats PB" is done by redirecting the thread to another thread with a recipe on how and what to mix. We let X,Y,Z member explain what "PB" your talking about Via another thread link.

How about something more direct .. like this .. If you want to use the "PB" term.

Q. I have some stress cracks and would like to know what is the best way to repair.
A. You should use some PB ( resin mixed with cabosil and possibly some csm ) depending on how extensive the cracks are.

Q. Im ready to glass in my stringers now .. what else should use to help in the glassing process.
(A. You should have already done your homework and know what you need . Im kidding now )
A. You should apply some PB fillets making radi between your stringers and hull. Depending on the size and length of the stringers you could use cabosil and resin or a fairing filler like micro bubbles ).

As you can see there is more information in the second like of questions and answers than the first. I think being a little more specific about what kind of PB will help the question rather than possibly creating more questions about PB.

Continued use the term PB is fine IMHO .. but it might be better if you Explain what components go into said PB if your going to use it. We all know its a filler of some kind .. but What PB is on your mind when suggesting it.

As of right now .. I can not tell you what PB is exactly. I know its a filler of some kind .. I know its thick .. but what IS pb ? What goes into it ?

Do you see my point now ?

Peace.

YD.

 

[mwe-maxxowner]

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I think this thread should become the suggested sticky to define pb!

 

[idonthaveaname]

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Let me tell ya...YD is right on...not that he needs me to tell him that. Also, there is a ton of great advice from the sages here on this site. When I first began tearing my boat apart I didn't know PB from STP. Truth is the process was like...what? I asked a lot of questions which confused me more - mix resin with cabosil, no mix it with saw dust, no mix it with fiber and this other stuff. I finally found (after doing my homework) which and what to use thanks to this forum. The point in PB is many things and the END RESULT is PB not the ingredients. Each mix for each application is different depending on it's need. PB is simply referring to consistency. I have learned so much from all of you and I am still an amateur.

 

[Woodonglass]

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Do you see my point now ?

YD.

Actually no I don't. On OOPS thread he has a Detailed description of the ingredients of PB and it's uses and the various ingredients that can be used. I have also espoused many many times the same exact things. When asked What PB is I either Explain it, point them to Frisco's great video about it or other resources to help them understand. I still say a "Sticky" with a description of the Term and the various ingredients and methods of use would be a GREAT resource for the members.

 

[GWPSR]

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I say you're both right. It'd be nice to add a 'How To' on thickened resin uses, recipes, pros, cons, methods, caveats, etc.

At the same time, being a little more helpful in the answer to a question can't hurt. It keeps the answer (or at least the summary) in the thread with the question. For those of us following along, it's maddening to bop all over the place to follow the logic.

Can I see you two just hug it out? Please?

 

[hornblower]

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""PS. Hornblower .. you ever consider putting a Horatio or an H in front of that name .. best books ..""

Yes, I meant to when I submitted the name, but I forgot and it came out small h and unable to change it. It was because of those great books that I picked the name but now it just feels presumptuous and with the small h insulting. That's it. I'm changing my name and giving up all my 34 posts worth of seniority. I'm leaving and coming back with a new name. Don't try to stop me. Oh the shame...

 

[Woodonglass]

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Ok do an Advanced Search on the forum for "Peanut Butter" and Select "Titles Only"

You will Get the education you're looking for.

 

[idonthaveaname]

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A Sticky is a great idea and the link doesn't go anywhere.

"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. "

With that, this thread is getting confusing to follow so I am just going to sit on the sideline. No sides picked, mind you, just sitting here.

 

[OCboat]

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I'm just starting a new thread about restoring a 1959 Glasspar G-3 and I think a sticky about the uses of different fillers would be a great idea. I have read hundreds of threads on many different forums but they all get jumbled after this much reading. Add the fact that some are dealing with poly resin and some with epoxy and it gets even more jumbled.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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Ok do an Advanced Search on the forum for "Peanut Butter" and Select "Titles Only"

You will Get the education you're looking for.

I tried that .. came up with 10 pages with threads containing "peanut butter" .. some of them with over 200 pages within a thread. Long read to get an Education .. but not a simple answer .

A Sticky is a great idea and the link doesn't go anywhere.

"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms. "

With that, this thread is getting confusing to follow so I am just going to sit on the sideline. No sides picked, mind you, just sitting here.

He did an edit and should show you now.

I might just do a workup about fillers this weekend ( I have a long weekend off ).

 

[Woodonglass]

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The Search I posted ONLY yields 30 Threads of which NONE of them have more than 1 page of replies and that one only has 22 posts.

Of the 30 Threads, YD, you posted to more than 1/2 of them. Some of them you gave insight into how you make your Thickened Filler and others you did not. OOPS and others posted their ingredients and their usages. I think these 30 threads are a very good representation of almost all the usages of the "Thickened Filler" and most of the members here on iBoats will be able to figure out how to make it and use it from these threads. Again the search should be as shown "Peanut Butter" and ONLY in the Titles

Not sure what YD searched for.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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Ahh..ok.. found out that I need to do Titles only .. found your search results..

http://forums.iboats.com/search.php?searchid=5658341

I probably will be doing a PB/Filler Q&A this weekend .. drop by and give us a hand .

YD.

PS. Hope that link works.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: PB Explained

Unfortunately the link does not work.