Pelosi doesn't want tuna with good taste....

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Haut said:
"Effective October 1, 2003, this minimum wage for this industry was $3.26 per hour, which is substantially below the U.S. minimum wage." So WHO was it that was in power when THESE wages were put into force?? Pelosi? A Dem congress? No, it was the what's-his-name and his pals. Remember them?.....:$
So what is your talking point for defending it now? If it was wrong in your eyes in 2003 why is it ok to let it stand now when DEMS control everything?
 

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KG, Read the link.....JK
 

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Haut said:
"Effective October 1, 2003, this minimum wage for this industry was $3.26 per hour, which is substantially below the U.S. minimum wage." So WHO was it that was in power when THESE wages were put into force?? Pelosi? A Dem congress? No, it was the what's-his-name and his pals. Remember them?.....:$

A clue on how corruption werks, HM...
Ol "What's-his-name" never proffessed to raise the minimum wage running buisnesses into bankruptcy,, Nor does he own or protect the very part of the industry that pays people under minimum wage, so he at LEAST is not the criminal hypocrite mss pelosi is.

As for the link you provided -- It's a dead link. I get a 404.
I am interested in reading it tho. So if you could fix it that would be awesome.
 

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Instead of trying to write what I think, I will just give this guys link, he pretty well puts down what I think about the firestorm on American Samoa. What Is more important is what about the people that live there, Not political points.

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However, there is a grain of truth here, and progressives would do well to address it. I don't subscribe to the "everybody does it" defense of corruption the way many conservative apologists do. Corruption is not a partisan issue, and I refuse to defend those who betray the public trust. My belief is, instead of "everybody does it" and leaving it alone, is to say "Yeah, and when WE do it, we act swiftly and ethically; you try to sweep it under the rug." To that end, I think it's necessary and vital to try and understand exactly what's going on with this charge.

First of all, it's important to note that the substance of the Republican argument, that the minimum wage bill specifically exempts American Samoa from federal minimum wage laws, is factually incorrect. American Samoa has ALREADY been exempt from those laws for some time, including for 12 years under a Republican majority. Currently wage floors in American Samoa are set by the US Department of Labor.

http://d-day.blogspot.com/2007/01/understanding-gop-shitstorm-over.html
 

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Pelosi moves to close Samoa wage loophole
By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
January 13, 2007


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi yesterday said Democrats will close a loophole in the House-passed minimum wage increase that exempts American Samoa -- an action taken after it was revealed that one of the U.S. territory's main employers is based in her congressional district.
"I have asked the Education and Labor Committee as they go forward with the legislation to make sure that all of the territories have to comply with U.S. law on the minimum wage," Mrs. Pelosi said.
The decision follows criticism over the exemption, reported earlier this week by The Washington Times, to allow tuna canneries in American Samoa to continue paying $3.26 an hour -- nearly $4 less than the $7.25 minimum wage passed by the House Wednesday.
Republicans, after the vote, pointed out that StarKist Tuna, one of two companies that employs about 75 percent of the Samoan work force, is owned by Del Monte, which is headquartered in Mrs. Pelosi's San Francisco district.
"Simply put: It is unethical to provide a special benefit to a company in any member of Congress' hometown," said Rep. John B. Shadegg, Arizona Republican. "For Democrats to act in such a manner so early on in their tenure is hypocritical at best and criminal at worst."
Democrats involved in the legislation say that neither Del Monte nor StarKist has lobbied Mrs. Pelosi or the committee on the matter. And records show that while Del Monte political action committees have given $5,300 in the past five years to Republicans, neither they nor Del Monte executives have given to any Democrats.
The bill, which raises the federal minimum wage $2.10 from $5.15, pointedly extends for the first time the federal minimum wage to the Northern Marianas Islands, another U.S. territory in the Pacific with similarly low wages.
Democrats defended the exemption earlier in the week, saying that the Northern Marianas territory has a long history of work-force abuses that require immediate action. But they also acknowledged that the wages in both places are essentially the same and, they said, need to be raised.
One person who is concerned about enforcing the federal minimum wage in American Samoa is non-voting Rep. Eni Faleomavaega, who echoed the arguments of many conservatives against raising the minimum wage in poorer regions of the U.S. mainland.
A "decrease in production or departure of one or both of the two canneries in American Samoa could devastate the local economy, resulting in massive layoffs and insurmountable financial difficulties," he said in a statement provided to The Times.
"The truth is the global tuna industry is so competitive that it is no longer possible for the federal government to demand mainland minimum wage rates for American Samoa without causing the collapse of our economy and making us welfare wards of the federal government."
Melissa Murphy Brown, vice president for Del Monte, warned in a statement yesterday that applying the minimum wage at the tuna packing plants in American Samoa would "severely cripple the local economy."
"For over 50 years, the Federal Department of Labor has provided that wages in U.S. territories, including American Samoa, be set by a federally appointed wage board, following public hearings," she said in a background statement compiled by StarKist and Chicken of the Sea.
"The wage board takes into accounts several factors including standards of living and recognizes that wages cannot increase to a level that substantially curtails employment."
House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, Maryland Democrat, said on the House floor yesterday that the decision to exempt American Samoa "was not an oversight."
"The minimum wage in America Samoa, unlike the Marianas or Guam, is set by the Department of Labor and Industry Committee so that it is determined in a different way than the others, including our states," he said.
Wages paid in American Samoa are often lower than the $3.05 minimum wage in effect in the Northern Marianas. Wages in American Samoa for manual labor range from $2.70 up to about $3.60, according to the U.S. Department of Labor.





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OK, so the repulicans raised the point and and middle of the road newspaper carried it, it was reported on FOX, +1 for the right

The dems defended it, -1 for the left

And then: "...has a long history of work-force abuses that require immediate action". I bet nothing does happen and if it is going on, why isn't the tuna company being investigated by congress?. Why no hearings on this? I mean if it has been going on fo so long, lil nancy must have known about it. Oh but wait, that might cut into her profits.
 

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Quote Plainsman

Oh but wait, that might cut into her profits.


O What profits, Got a link?8)
 

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Is this guy living in a box?

"The truth is the global tuna industry is so competitive that it is no longer possible for the federal government to demand mainland minimum wage rates for American Samoa without causing the collapse of our economy and making us welfare wards of the federal government."

Please point to me a commodity market where this is not the case, yet democrats feel they can dictate which corporations are at risk and which are not. Where are the bleeding hearts crys for the poor? You know, the whinning about how 5.15 isn't even a living wage? I guess they don't have to live in Somoa. It didn't take long for an apologist to try and explain, what is clearly corruption as benevolent.
 

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Plainsman said:
OK, so the repulicans raised the point and and middle of the road newspaper carried it, it was reported on FOX, +1 for the right

The dems defended it, -1 for the left

And then: "...has a long history of work-force abuses that require immediate action". I bet nothing does happen and if it is going on, why isn't the tuna company being investigated by congress?. Why no hearings on this? I mean if it has been going on fo so long, lil nancy must have known about it. Oh but wait, that might cut into her profits.

Hey Plainsman, The 'Washington Times' is a Conservative rag, good read but Conservative. I agree with your scorecard. JR
 

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You know, the whinning about how 5.15 isn't even a living wage? I guess they don't have to live in Somoa.

Surely you are not comparing the cost of living in Samoa to say----Milwaukee?
 

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You mean like Lil' Nancy's flat rating Grand Island NE vs NYC or Sad Fransisco? Whats your point other than making mine? 8)
 

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Continental US states as opposed to flyspeck in middle of Pacific ocean?.....;)
 

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Haut and Tree, you can spare me your concern about Cheney's involvement in Haliburton. How about this for real numbers.

Clip.

In fact, Nancy Pelosi's most recent financial disclosure statement shows just how careful Paul Pelosi has been in his investment decisions. Because the federal statements require a politician to give only a range of value for investments, they show the Pelosis' net worth was $14.7 million to $55 million in 2005, ranking them ninth in the House and 17th in the entire Congress.

During the recent passage in the House of a hike in the minimum wage to $7.25, a little-known amendment was passed exempting American Samoa from the requirement. In and of itself, most people probably couldn't care less what happens in American Samoa. The interesting thing, however, is that the largest employer in American Samoa is Del Monte Foods' StarKist Tuna, home to over 75% of the island's workforce. Del Monte Foods, as it turns out, is headquartered in the District of the new Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Smelling a whiff of impropriety, House Republicans have thrown up some serious questions about the exemption and who inserted it into the bill.

NewsBusters points out that few in the Mainstream Media will cover this story given their breathless love for the new Speaker. FoxNews has picked up the story, questioning the potential influence Del Monte may have as a major player in the Speaker's District. Doing my own research, however, I've discovered that the impropriety is much deeper. Speaker Pelosi's husband Paul, it turns out, owns something to the order of $17 million in Del Monte stock! I wonder if he stands to benefit should StarKist avoid an additional $2 hike in hourly wages...

Follow the money trail a little further and Speaker Pelosi may have a sympathetic accomplice in the US Senate. It turns out that the H.J. Heinz Company owns nearly 75% of Del Monte's stock. Heinz, of course, is the company owned in large part by the H.J. Heinz family of whom Teresa Heinz is a major heir as the widow of H.J. Heinz the III, the late Senator from Pennsylvania. And who did Mrs. Heinz marry shortly after her late husband's passing? Senator John Forbes Kerry of Massachussettes! I wonder if they would stand to benefit from StarKist avoiding an additional $2 hike in hourly wages...


I have to wonder why Lil' Nancy would now be trying to jack up the min. wage now, if it is going to devestate the economy of American Samoa? No politics involved in that decision, just concern for the islands I am sure... :}

I would love to have 1% of that "fly spec" that is keeping lil' Nancy and War Hero John is private jets and ski resorts.
 

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Looks to me like they could use a raise to me no matter the standard of living.


PART 697--INDUSTRIES IN AMERICAN SAMOA

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1. The authority citation for part 697 continues to read as follows:

Authority: 29 U.S.C. 205, 206, 208.


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2. Section 697.2 is revised to read as follows:


Sec. 697.2 Industry wage rates and effective dates.

Every employer shall pay to each of his employees in American
Samoa, who in any workweek is engaged in commerce or in the production
of goods for commerce, or is employed in any enterprise engaged in
commerce or in the production of goods for commerce, as these terms are
defined in section 3 of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, wages at
a rate not less than the minimum rate prescribed in this section

[[Page 46951]]

for the industries and classifications in which such employee is
engaged.
Effective date: Oct. 1, 2003

Industry

(a) Government Employees--$2.77
(b) Fish Canning and Processing--$3.26
(c) Petroleum Marketing--$3.85
(d) Shipping and Transportation:
(1) Classification A--$4.09
(2) Classification B--$3.92
(3) Classification C--$3.88
(e) Construction--$3.60
(f) Retailing, Wholesaling, and Warehousing--$3.10
(g) Bottling, Brewing, and Dairy Products--$3.19
(h) Printing--$3.50
(i) Publishing--$3.63
(j) Finance and Insurance--$3.99
(k) Ship Maintenance--$3.34
(l) Hotel--$2.86
(m) Tour and Travel Services--$3.31
(n) Private Hospitals and Educational Institutions--$3.33
(o) Garment Manufacturing--$2.68
(p) Miscellaneous Activities--$2.57


What’s all the indignation about her husband being a successful investor?

Pointer you made point to add "war hero John" too your post what has he got to do with fly Speck Island?

 

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Come on Tree, please read my posts completely b4 commenting. :'(


Quoting my previous post,

Follow the money trail a little further and Speaker Pelosi may have a sympathetic accomplice in the US Senate. It turns out that the H.J. Heinz Company owns nearly 75% of Del Monte's stock. Heinz, of course, is the company owned in large part by the H.J. Heinz family of whom Teresa Heinz is a major heir as the widow of H.J. Heinz the III, the late Senator from Pennsylvania. And who did Mrs. Heinz marry shortly after her late husband's passing? Senator John Forbes Kerry of Massachussettes! I wonder if they would stand to benefit from StarKist avoiding an additional $2 hike in hourly wages...


I could be the worlds greatest investor if I could use the power of the federal government to pay seriously substandard wages. Or perhaps it would be better if government kept their corrupt fingers out of private enterprise everywhere. Which would it be?
 

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This is pretty funny . . . Our favorite Dem apologists calling Repubs apologists, defending stock holdings in major corporations by Democrats, while they make cracks about Repubs holding stock that they don't even hold, while they promote a minimum wage hike, and then note how it will destroy a local economy, and also note that we shouldn't care because it is a tiny island . . . The funniest part is that there really is a conflict of interest in this story instead of the phantom conflicts that they get really mad about . . . :} :} :} :} One for each one of you that posted.
 

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Quote tree: "What’s all the indignation about her husband being a successful investor?"

So what if it was in the drug companies or oil instead of del-monte? I seem to recall you not liikng the drug companies making money. Tell me what the difference would be.

I really don't expect a response:'(

:} one for me QC 8)8), or did I already have one?
 

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No Plainsman, :} s only for the knuckleheads . . .
 

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First of all, I never said a word about Cheney & Haliburton in this thread...
I have to wonder why Lil' Nancy would now be trying to jack up the min. wage now, if it is going to devestate the economy of American Samoa?

A:To silence the whining, sniveling Rehubs. of course....;)

Kind of a rock & a hard place, if you ask me...
On one hand, they are trying to increase wages in the United States & better the lives of its citizens, here at home.....
Samoa was excluded because of its fragile economy....
It ain't the US, IMHO.....
Regardless of what treaties we made for navy bases 100 years ago......
also note that we shouldn't care because it is a tiny island . . .
Yep, that's what I am sayin'.....
If all its got is a couple of canneries, it is dead wood, IMHO & will suck tax dollars right out of your pockets & mine....
Del Monte is a huge corporation, I would love to marry someone who had a huge chunk of stock!
Kerry's & Pelosi's spouses own the stock, do they not?
We wiil see if it is profitable to run the canneries with the new law......
Frankly, I don't really think the Dems. or Rehubs. give a rat's arse about Samoa.....
Other than I do like tuna ......JK
 
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