plugging trailer tires??

MTboatguy

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One piece of advise, I can add on the string kits and a tool you want to add to your kit if you don't have it already is a pair of side cutters, once you place the string in the hole and it sets up you want to cut the string to less than a 1/4 of an inch, we were having problems with the plug pulling out if we didn't cut them down, the string would catch or roll over onto the tread and break..
 

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I use a razor blade or sharp knife to cut the plug off flush with the tread. Side cutters-never thought of it. Good item to carry in your tool box too.
 

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Mine is similar as well. As for "slime" -- at 25 below zero I cannot imagine how much a vehicle would shake until the tires became warm enough to allow this stuff to spread out again.
 

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Mine is similar as well. As for "slime" -- at 25 below zero I cannot imagine how much a vehicle would shake until the tires became warm enough to allow this stuff to spread out again.

I was at 22 below zero yesterday and had no problems with the ATV tires, my jug of slime is still liquid right now and I have no heat in the shed where I store it..have never had cold weather problems with slime..

Current tests have shown that slime has a freezing point of 34.4 C below, or 30 degrees below zero....
 

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I've been using the string type repair plugs (cheap ones) for 20 years or so now and have never had a tire fail or even leak after repair. I couldn't count the number of miles I've driven on those plugs and the tires all lasted to full tread wear out or I sold the car. As said, anything in the sidewall means replacing the tire. I carry a kit in each of my vehicles and have put plugs in away from home without dismounting the wheel. Do what you want. I'll keep using them.

Me too but for 40 years. So in my experience cheap plugs were 100% effective (even in the illegal street racing days) and I use them on my children's vehicles. Common since prevails here...if it is a clean puncture on the tread of less than 3/16 a plug goes in...anything else, the tire is scrapped.
 

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It may freeze at 34 below but I suspectd it will begin to thicken long before that. It won't go from a liquid to a solid in one degree. However, if you are a user and it works who am I to doubt it. I simply will not put a liquid in a motor vehicle tire as I'm familiar with what happens with solution in tractor tires as was common years ago.
 

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It may freeze at 34 below but I suspectd it will begin to thicken long before that. It won't go from a liquid to a solid in one degree. However, if you are a user and it works who am I to doubt it. I simply will not put a liquid in a motor vehicle tire as I'm familiar with what happens with solution in tractor tires as was common years ago.

As I said earlier, it may not be for everybody, but in my particular situation it has proven itself on many occasions..and I trust my tire store with no question, as they are the one that recommended it and installed it for me the first time, I have pretty good confidence in it..Its not really a liquid in the truest sense of the word, it is more like a rubber compound...

But that is why people ask questions, to get information about various experiences from other members.
 

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I've worked in auto repair for 35 years, I've seen many types of repairs come and go, the tried and true method is the rope plug with sealer. Whether it be Safety Seal, Camel, or other professional method, it's the best bet going.
Just a patch lets dirt and water enter the tread layers and belts, the rope plug vulcanizes itself into the tire and circumference of the injury. Solid rubber plugs or mushroom style rubber plugs are too unreliable and have been known to be cut by the steel belts in some radials. The rope plugs don't suffer from this.
Working in and around automotive shops and dealers for years my own cars have had their share of punctures, and I've never had a blow out of failure from plugging a hole this way. Just the same, there's a limit to what you can plug. If the hole can't be filled with one plug, it's junk in my eyes. I have seen tires come in with as many a 15 of those plugs stuffed in a hole. An injury that large will always have done more serious damage than just a puncture through the tread area.

Never plug or patch a sidewall injury, the amount of damage there and the fact that there is just too much flex there, a patch or plug is just not reliable.

As to the Ride On tire sealant, it does work, but requires a bit more work when changing the tires. I've dealt with several fleets that used it in their trucks. I once had one of their vans come in with a vibration, it turned out to be a box cutter knife stuck in the tire, the driver had run it over, and the sealant sealed up the leak and he kept on driving. He said the vibration began when he first left early in the day, and he continued his 300 mile route before dropping it off after work that day. The tire was damaged beyond use but he didn't require a tow, it didn't blow out, and his deliveries were made.

As to adding such an additive to a tire ruining its warranty coverage.
What sort of warranty would cover the type of punctures that stuff is meant to seal? If you run over a 2x4 full of nails and put a dozen 10 penny nails through the tread, the tire warranty wouldn't cover that either way. All not having the sealant does is make the tire shop, road service man, or tow truck driver richer. I can't count how many times I've seen tires running such a sealant survive and drive home rather than sit on the side of the road with a flat or fly apart leaving the tire carcass on the road side after the driver decides he's going to run on with a flat.

Any additive that allows the driver to continue on with business is OK in my book.
Slime is a different story, from what I was told a long while back, Slime has a limited lifespan, apparently is loses effectiveness over time, something like 2 years? I'm not sure if that's fact though or just another companies sales pitch.
 

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With the type of rough duty use our tires get here where I live, rarely do we get much more than two years out of a set of tires...

:eek:
 

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With the type of rough duty use our tires get here where I live, rarely do we get much more than two years out of a set of tires...

:eek:

Sounds expensive to me. My tires will rot away long before they wear out or get torn up from road use. We have some seashell roads at a few boat ramps and a few that have some pretty rough concrete ramps with steep drop offs beyond the ramp but nothing that tears up the tires too bad. The tires take the worst beating on the road in town where the shoulders are more likely to be strewn with crash debris or broken glass and metal. The worst thing I've had stuck in a trailer tire so far was porcupine quills. Not sure where I picked those up as I've never seen one anywhere around here.
 

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Yup, it is expensive, the county I live in has over 700 miles of gravels roads, the road I live on is not maintained by the county past the 3 mile mark, don't get me wrong, I love where I live, but it is hard on vehicles! When you live in areas like I do, we figure about 10-12000 miles on a set of tires. This year I was lucky, I spent 4 months out of town so was on mostly paved roads, so I should get about 18-20,000 miles out of this set of tires...take into account in my portion of Montana, they allow us to run studded snows on our vehicles year around..I have lived here for 15 years and have had snow in every single month of the year at one time or another, 8 years ago, we planned a 4th of July BBQ and ended up with 18 inches of snow on the 2nd of July! another year, we were snowmobiling on Fathers Day! its the price you pay for living in a remote paradise!
 

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Being here in a saltwater area, the rims will rust away before the tread wears out on most tires. Most folks just don't have that far to go to get to the water so tires do more sitting then driving down the road.

What bothers me the most is seeing a set of tires you just bought last summer showing huge age cracks, or worse, leaking from dry rot.
Since I rarely drive more than a few miles at under 20 mph in most cases to launch the boat here, often it's no more than a mile ride to the ramp, I don't worry much about the cracks unless they leak. I've yet to see a tire fall apart, they just crack open and start leaking. I plug them or install an inner tube when they get bad. By the time that the tires are totally shot, the frame and springs are usually rusted away anyhow and I just buy another cheap trailer.
 

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Being here in a saltwater area, the rims will rust away before the tread wears out on most tires. Most folks just don't have that far to go to get to the water so tires do more sitting then driving down the road.

What bothers me the most is seeing a set of tires you just bought last summer showing huge age cracks, or worse, leaking from dry rot.
Since I rarely drive more than a few miles at under 20 mph in most cases to launch the boat here, often it's no more than a mile ride to the ramp, I don't worry much about the cracks unless they leak. I've yet to see a tire fall apart, they just crack open and start leaking. I plug them or install an inner tube when they get bad. By the time that the tires are totally shot, the frame and springs are usually rusted away anyhow and I just buy another cheap trailer.

Believe me I fully understand, I was lucky, I was stationed in Hawaii, for a few years, saltwater environment! Ate the heck of anything metal...
 
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Never plug a tire mounted on the rim. All good repairs are made with the tire dismounted of the rim and the patch performed on the inside of the tire.

A proper tire repair (patch) will always include a "plug" or "stem" as part of the patch. These "plugs" fill the void left by the puncture and the drill job done by the tire tech to clean out the punture site.

As for the bias ply tires...I would ditch those all together in favor of steel belted radials.

Bias plys are old school tire technology and actually use nylon and cotton cords at 30 and 40 degree angles off the bead vs. the newer and improved technology of steel used in the radial cords at 90 degrees as well as reinforcing steel belt plys under the tread.

Radial tires, because of the durability of the steel belt construction, are more resistant to punctures in the tread than are bias ply tires. Radials are also less prone to punctures in the sidewalls because the tread and the sidewall act as independent components of the tire. The radial's tread stays flat on the road surface when the sidewalls flex under the weight of a load. The sidewalls on the bias ply tire will flex under a load and deform the tread, squeezing it and making the sidewalls susceptible to abrasion and vulnerable to punctures from objects on the ground surface.

IMHO the steel belted radials are more suitable for trailer duty.

Bias ply tires typically are also less expensive compared to steel radials. As a result trailer manufacturers tend to use bias tires as an OE fitment to get the trailers out of the factory and delivered to the dealer because of the fact they are inexpensive....and not because they are a better tire.

:)
 

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Re: plugging trailer tires??

I love these debates........

Is the glass half empty or half full?

Different strokes for different folks.

Personal preference, etc.

It can go on and on.
 

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Never plug a tire mounted on the rim.

Ayuh,.... Ain't fixed many tires have you,..??

If the tire ain't mounted, 'n aired up, you ain't plugging it,... Period...
 

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Take it to a tire shop and have it repaired from the inside. Then put a tube in it. The tire will be as good as new.
 

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I've been driving over 40 years and have never used anything but plugs in tires, including the 10 years that I was competing in several autocrosses each month. Never had any problems at all. What's the very worst thing that's going to happen because of a tire repair (plug or patch)? It's going to have a slow leak and the tire will slowly go flat again. Put your spare on and keep on truckin' .......

Once you run a tire on low pressure, you're more likely to do internal damage to the plies that can't be detected by ANY means than suffer any damage that would be affected by your choice of a plug or patch.

I agree with this guy, good common sense article here on plugging vs patching:

http://www.artsautomotive.com/repairs-faq/65

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