plugging trailer tires??

[bigdee]

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QUOTE: "never had a problem with plugs and if I did,so what? That is what spare tires are for!!! I grew up on bald tires and blowouts I think the baby boomers are just a little paranoid!!. "

HA! HA! HA! You compare the sixties and seventies tires that you grew up on with today's tires! Are you still drivng a Dodge Dart? Today we have speed rated, special load tires, and blended compounds in tires. You grew up in a different time. You quick fix with the spare, due to poor maintenance, is more costly today, since the average name brand tire is over $85. When you grew up that amount would buy almost a complete set! Get real....

Yup, your right we have much better tires today...so if I run over a nail the steel belts will most likely prevent me from having a blowout....so at the first chance I get I pull the nail and put in a plug. I'm as real as rain!

 

[MTboatguy]

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Awe, the exuberance of youth, I love it, I don't know how we lived to get old!

And YES, I am actually still am driving a 1960's Dodge Dart, it has a 400 HP 6 pack in it and does a hell of a job against the rice burners of today!

Of curse I have a '66 hemi Plymouth covertable as well as a 69 Superbird....for those to young to remember it was a car that Richard Petty drove in the NASCAR series(That was when it was WINSTON) not sprint..

And ALL of my 1960's era cars have redline tires on them!

So STick that in your pipe and smoke it!

 

[wbc1957]

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Quote: "Yup, your right we have much better tires today...so if I run over a nail the steel belts will most likely prevent me from having a blowout....so at the first chance I get I pull the nail and put in a plug. I'm as real as rain!"

Sorry, the steel belts will have nothing to do with preventing a blow out. Obviously you have little to no knowledge of how a blow out happens. If anything, the steel belts will rust due to the water sucked into the tire, due to a poor repair, due to using a string plug, and the belted tire will tear apart which looks like a blow out. People can attempt to find a justification to stick with their usage of string plugs or performing a reair on the cheap with their own handy work, but they only cheat themselves out of their original factory warranty and risk the future damage of both the tire, their vehicle, and bodily injury. People who refuse to understand change in products and continue to follow old methods are only fooling themselves.

 

[bigdee]

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Quote: "Yup, your right we have much better tires today...so if I run over a nail the steel belts will most likely prevent me from having a blowout....so at the first chance I get I pull the nail and put in a plug. I'm as real as rain!"

Sorry, the steel belts will have nothing to do with preventing a blow out. Obviously you have little to no knowledge of how a blow out happens. If anything, the steel belts will rust due to the water sucked into the tire, due to a poor repair, due to using a string plug, and the belted tire will tear apart which looks like a blow out. People can attempt to find a justification to stick with their usage of string plugs or performing a reair on the cheap with their own handy work, but they only cheat themselves out of their original factory warranty and risk the future damage of both the tire, their vehicle, and bodily injury. People who refuse to understand change in products and continue to follow old methods are only fooling themselves.

Hogwash.....plugging tires has always been an acceptable method for repair. This debate is getting silly life is too short to worry about which method is best. Especially when there is no substantiated data to prove otherwise.

 

[wbc1957]

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Quote: "Hogwash.....plugging tires has always been an acceptable method for repair. This debate is getting silly life is too short to worry about which method is best. Especially when there is no substantiated data to prove otherwise."

Like I said, only fooling themselves..... I've been in the tire industry for over thirty years. I don't pretend to know everything about boats, and I'm glad to learn plenty here on iboats, but likewise, their are people like you who refuse to change, while thinking you can keep teaching wrong information about something you know nothing about, to others who want to learn the truth. Congrats on being one that is only fooling themselves.

 

[texasabil]

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I have a small farm I use the plugs all the time!!!!In my trailers tractors I was at the deer lease last year and run over a nail in my hunting rig. and didn't have a spar witch was my fault but forgot to load it so i plugged it. and the tire is still on there. they have saved me sometimes you got to do what you have to do!!!

 

[texasabil]

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Now as far as my truck and boat I have them repaired. I had a good friend that had a blow out pulling a boat. lost control and and totaled his truck and boat !!!!

 

[wbc1957]

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Quote: "I have a small farm I use the plugs all the time!!!!In my trailers tractors I was at the deer lease last year and run over a nail in my hunting rig. and didn't have a spar witch was my fault but forgot to load it so i plugged it. and the tire is still on there. they have saved me sometimes you got to do what you have to do!!!"

Farm trailers are not going to have high speed usage on the highways and major roadways. They don't have the same properties of passenger, light truck, and special trailer tires. Sure, you may use the trailer for running into the local town, but not often and not at high speed. Plus, the inner liner would have not overheated from the original flat, since it wasn't running long-distance at high speeds to begin with. You are comparing apples and oranges. I used to hate adding the calcium in those tractor tires. Ah, the younger years...

 

[jeremy_nash]

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I personally use plugs, never had a problem with them. I have the front tire on my motorcycle repaired with a string plug, which sees 130 mph on road race courses, without an issue

 

[dockwrecker]

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QUOTE: "I have been using the string plugs for as long as i can remember.Never had a problem. One of my Michelin LTX tires on my truck got a nail in it about a week after i bought the tires. No way i was going to junk a 200 dollar tire."

I see someone did not know how to shop. Any high quality tire like Michelin (which I also own, by the way) would come with a free road hazard warranty for at least the first year and prorated thereafter. It sounds to me you will have a problem with the factory warranty on quality control, if and when the tire develops a vibration and/or separates. With today's highly formulated tires, the old repair you are using (string plugs) is the same as thinking you can use standard 70's grade SAE oil in your newer engine. Rather than learn from someone who has had over 30 years in the tire industry, go ahead and think what you wish. And as for a tube, it still doesn't stop water from entering the hole, so an inside out repair would be needed to maintain the factory warranty. Good luck....

"Interesting. I never said they offered a "factory" road hazzard warranty. The tire dealer is the place that offers a road hazzard warranty, and the guy here admitted he thought that was a "scam". Secondly, the tire manufacturer doesn't deal with materials and workmanship tire warranty. The dealer does on all factory warranties and road hazzard warranties. The tire manufacturer does not work in the retail establishment where one would take a tire to cover either warranty.


As a former tire distributor, let's sort your confusion. A. materials and workmanship are MANUFACTURER issues. B. True that many RETAILERS offer road hazard, often times funded by Warehouse Distributors such as I was. We held back about $2.75 a tire and extended a warranty. Our retailers sold their additional coverage for flat repairs and balancing above this. It's a self funded insurance program and has nothing to do with the manufacturer. You can insure a pig if you like with the associated risks. But things like belt separations and sidewall pinholes leading to run flat conditions or carcass failure are MANUFACTURER issues when not related to common road hazard. Your statements are related to retailer policies, not tire manufacturers. If you repair it because of road hazard, you and your retailer own it. Simple stuff.

 

[Gary H NC]

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I personally use plugs, never had a problem with them. I have the front tire on my motorcycle repaired with a string plug, which sees 130 mph on road race courses, without an issue

That is just freakin scary! Throw that tire away and replace it with a safe one!

 

[wbc1957]

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Quote: "As a former tire distributor, let's sort your confusion. A. materials and workmanship are MANUFACTURER issues. B. True that many RETAILERS offer road hazard, often times funded by Warehouse Distributors such as I was. We held back about $2.75 a tire and extended a warranty. Our retailers sold their additional coverage for flat repairs and balancing above this. It's a self funded insurance program and has nothing to do with the manufacturer. You can insure a pig if you like with the associated risks. But things like belt separations and sidewall pinholes leading to run flat conditions or carcass failure are MANUFACTURER issues when not related to common road hazard. Your statements are related to retailer policies, not tire manufacturers. If you repair it because of road hazard, you and your retailer own it. Simple stuff."

YES! But, it is still up to the dealer to process the materials and workmanship warranty provided by the manufacturer, which you and I know was not always followed. Why?Because of the hassle with restock, shipping the warrantied product to the manufacturer, and of course, being wrong on the judgment of by guy at the dealer who guessed it was a defect resulting in a store loss. This is what separated a good dealer from a bad one. You know it and I know it, so don't sugarcoat it.

 

[dockwrecker]

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This is what separated a good dealer from a bad one. You know it and I know it, so don't sugarcoat it.[/QUOTE]

That is so ridiculous I don't know why I bother to answer this. At the end of the day, the manufacturer looks at the tire and determines whether it's defective. Road hazards aren't defects. So if you as a tire dealer sends me something back as a warranty claim that isn't, it's back to the self insured tire dealer. National chains do their own road hazards, and they're fairly good at full replacement. The dealer makes no determination as to factory warranty failure. You submit at best. Guys like me in my former job pull the trigger. The dealer has absolutely no role in determining the cause of tire failure in this process. The WD (me) and the manufacturer decide whether the dealer is reimbursed. Thanks for filling out the paperwork, but at the end of the day, it's not up to you at all. Your warranties are your business, and the extension of road hazard, your risk.
Enough sugar for you?

 

[cribber]

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Michelin doesn't have a factory road hazard warranty.....

Straight up... I've bought Michelin tires for decades and never got anything resembling a tread warranty. Never had a defect so never needed to replace a bad tire... just had to replace the ones I prematurely wore out. I'm not known for conservative driving habits.

 

[mommicked]

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Ive used string patches for years w good success;ocasional leaking,but never,ever on trailer tires or anywhere near the sidewall on cars and pickups.I always mounted the tire on the rear if not there already, and torture tested it for a while, and tried not to mount them on the front left!!Somewhat light trailers can cause big problems w a tire failure.And heavy trailers, OOOO SSSHHHHH.......!!!!Get a new one and plug your new spare!

 

[mommicked]

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Ive used string patches for years w good success;ocasional leaking,but never,ever on trailer tires or anywhere near the sidewall on cars and pickups.I always mounted the tire on the rear if not there already, and torture tested it for a while, and tried not to mount them on the front left!!Somewhat light trailers can cause big problems w a tire failure.And heavy trailers, OOOO SSSHHHHH.......!!!!Get a new one and plug your new spare!

 

[wbc1957]

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Quote: "That is so ridiculous I don't know why I bother to answer this. At the end of the day, the manufacturer looks at the tire and determines whether it's defective. Road hazards aren't defects. So if you as a tire dealer sends me something back as a warranty claim that isn't, it's back to the self insured tire dealer. National chains do their own road hazards, and they're fairly good at full replacement. The dealer makes no determination as to factory warranty failure. You submit at best. Guys like me in my former job pull the trigger. The dealer has absolutely no role in determining the cause of tire failure in this process. The WD (me) and the manufacturer decide whether the dealer is reimbursed. Thanks for filling out the paperwork, but at the end of the day, it's not up to you at all. Your warranties are your business, and the extension of road hazard, your risk. Enough sugar for you?"

Hey Dockwrecker, did you even bother to read what I wrote? The DEALER still has to submit the tire to even be looked at for the materials and workmanship warranty! If he, the dealer, chooses to just lie to the customer and say it's not covered and doesn't even send it in, the manufacturer isn't going to be able to make a judgment! As I stated, many dealers are either too lazy, too crooked, or to untrained to handle factory warranties. People don't end up blaming the dealer in the end, but remember the tire brand! As for the road hazzard, that has always been the dealer's sale and coverage. Next time read the post before you claim someone wrong!

 

[dockwrecker]

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Did you read mine? Like I said, thanks for filling out the paperwork. Give it up, this issue's done.

 

[wbc1957]

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Typical company guy who thinks a dealer is the same as a company owned store. Dealers are out for their own gain, and that does not always equate to what the tire company planned. Dealers are the result of tire companies trying to save on retail outlets. That savings means that a trust must be made with the dealers who are on the front line. So factory guy, what you are saying is that the dealers always sends in the tire for materials and workmanship because you believe in a perfect world. WRONG! This self insured dealer story doesn't wash. Let's say the tire dealer sold 75% of his tires with a road hazzard. Great, since he is doing better than most percentage wise. Then, a guy comes in who bought a tire last yeat and the dealer sees he didn't buy a road hazzard. The tire poroves to not be a road hazzard based on the tire dealerships checks, and it sure looks like it has a defect. BUT, does the dealer wish to prorate the tire for the customer, send the tire off, and then wait about a month on the judgment from the factory for the warranty which could prove not covered. Who eats the cost if it isn't? The dealer. As I said Dockwrecker, not all dealers will follow what a company owned store would do. They aren't the company. You perfect world process is why there is so many customers that distrust the brand of the tire, because they forget the shop and remember the brand. Us good dealers have spent years cleaning up for the bad dealers, but the company that has left the retail market to save a buck is not interested in the cost of doing business in that regard. You still can't believe a dealer won't take the risk on sending you the tire and eating the cost if they are wrong! What planet do you come from? I covered warranty work for six dealers in the St. Louis area out of just one of my locations. The other dealers didn't have training, got burned in the past on factory judgments, and were quick to point out where it could be looked at. MY STORE! You, company guy, are under the belief that dealers are your company and must follow your rules. Get real!

 

[dockwrecker]

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"Typical company guy who thinks a dealer is the same as a company owned store."

I worked for an independent tire distributor. No Factory. No company stores. Quit the innuendo.

"BUT, does the dealer wish to prorate the tire for the customer, send the tire off, and then wait about a month on the judgment from the factory for the warranty which could prove not covered. Who eats the cost if it isn't? The Dealer"

Yup that's correct. See my earlier post that dealers can't make decisions on manufacturer deficiencies. You are at risk as the dealer to extend that.

"What planet do you come from?"

Earth. Locally the USA. We have contract law here. You should read it.

" I covered warranty work for six dealers in the St. Louis area out of just one of my locations.''

Then this should be something you anticipate in your pricing when you extend service. You should make sure you get paid for your services and risks.
Good luck to you and your tire store, it sounds like you try hard to take care of your customers, that's admirable. The manufacturer's warranty is what the warranty states. You own it beyond that should you choose to extend extra benefits. Be careful to build in dollars in your business model to accomodate this.