Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

[foodfisher]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

There is quite a bit of slack in the steering cable. Back the nut off where it enters the tube and see if the rod will go back and forth inside the tube while disconnected from the motor. Just push and pull by hand. If it's free, the problem is forward, (cable or steering wheel mechanism) If stuck, get ready to lift the motor So the rod can be removed and cleaned up. Any old speakers will work. Just keep them dry. I've got a pair of audiovox that suit my purposes. They just have to fit the hole or you can enlarge the hole to fit whatever you have.

 

[um0RION]

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Ok, ill try that out. I didnt know there was any slack in that tube, I figured that it would be difficult regardless. If the problem is between the rod and the steering wheel, what then? Repace the cable, or is there some way to lube it up?

 

[foodfisher]

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About your drainage. The blank area in your drawing has a fuel tank there. When I took my deck apart and lifted the tank, there was dirt, leaves, straws, screws, plastic from cig. packs and those frozen coolade treats, lead fishing weights,plastic waterbottle caps adnaseaum! The screws, thru disimilar metal corrosion had eaten holes into the tank. The smell of fuel forced me to investigate. This debris could be blocking the holes thru your bulkheads. Just full of pleasurable thoughts. Don't try to live with the unexplained smell of fuel in the bilge area.

 

[foodfisher]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

Don't know much about cables except to look for kinks and lubricate with graphite. My bet is riding on corroded steering mechanism which a squirt of WD 40 or silicone will loosen it up.

 

[um0RION]

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Ok, I went and played with the boat a little more today.. I disconnected the big nut on the cable side of the engine, and tried a couple things. The steering still pulled hard, but If I moved the engine by hand the rod moved in and out of the tilt tube quite easily. It took very little effort on my part to move it back and forth. This leads me to believe that the problem now lies somewhere between the steering wheel and the engine. Any advice on what to do now? Do I need to pull out everything from the wheel back to the engine, or is there a better way?

I also pulled out one of the speakers and brought it back with me to see if I can find a new pair. They were Standard Communications AS-101 Marine speakers. Its too bad they are 7", most on ebay are about 6.5" and I dont know if the hole I have is too big.

Thanks for all the help and your patience guys, Im a total noob with this stuff and Im asking 10,000 questions, but im also learning tons.

edit: pics of the boat added to the OP

 

[dan4081]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

For your steering problems look at posts 9 & 10 on this thread:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=330654

You'll have your steering moving freely in no time at all if you follow the advice there........

 

[um0RION]

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For your steering problems look at posts 9 & 10 on this thread:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=330654

You'll have your steering moving freely in no time at all if you follow the advice there........

WOW! That looks REALLY easy! I can go to home depot and get everything I need for that and just build the one that has the tube on it, rather than dealing with welding.

He said he connected the end without the air fitting to the end on the helm. Fair enough, but I havent really looked under there at the steering mechanism. Do I have to take the steering wheel and all the stuff included in that off under the dash? And what do I have to disconnect at the engine? Anything? Or just the big nut where the steering rod goes into the tilt tube? I cant pull out the steering rod from the tube without disconnecting the whole engine, so is this an issue?

 

[um0RION]

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Sorry for the quick bump but Im working on the steering now and need some help. I disconnected the wheel from the steering cables. Now I have the cable out where I can work with it, and Its got the big cable with the rectangular boxy thing with the gearing in it, and its about a 2 feet-ish long. How do I remove the cable from this tube? Its got a nut thing on the end that I cant seem to undo. The cable just twists, and even when i get tension on it it wont release. Am I doing this right? Should I just be persistent? Maybe add some heat? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

EDIT: Well, guess there's less of a rush now. I tried moving the engine all the way up with the power tilt, and now its stuck in the up position. If I flip the dash switch or the one on the engine itself, I can hear and feel both relays firing, but the little tilt motor only makes noise/sounds like it is working when I try to move the engine up (which it wont do since it is at maximum up). So the engine is now tilted so far forward that part of the transom is blocking me from taking the engine cover all the way off. Fantastic.

Im feeling very frustrated right now, because I had all day to try to get stuff working, and now the power tilt wont work, and I still have no idea how to free up the steering. It seemed like the power tilt was being buggy for a while, like you might have to raise/lower the unit quickly to get the down to work, but not always. Up always worked just fine. I guess im going to leave it for today but that still blows.

 

[foodfisher]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

Sometimes there's a delay for the engine to drop while the motor is turning. Did you try helping it down with some weight? You're getting closer and closer to pulling the engine off the boat.

 

[um0RION]

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Sometimes there's a delay for the engine to drop while the motor is turning. Did you try helping it down with some weight? You're getting closer and closer to pulling the engine off the boat.

Yeah, I am. If I had had one of the guys from work there with me I would have right then and there.

I held down the button for 20 seconds or so, nothing. I also put a lot of my weight on the lower unit, pressed down the button, and nothing. I put a thread up in the engine forum for this one. Im thinking I may have a bad relay. Im HOPING its a bad relay. Both relays activate, but I can only hear/feel them snap when I click a button, I dont know if they're giving juice. The motor for the tilt always works when I click the up button, I can hear it straining like it wants to push the engine higher. But when I click the down button, I hear the relay go, but then the lift motor doesnt make a sound. Nothing.

Honestly I could have avoided a lot of problems if I had just bit the bullet and unbolted the engine in the first place.

 

[foodfisher]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

Change the up relay with the down relay. If it goes down problem solved. Good luck.

 

[um0RION]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

Change the up relay with the down relay. If it goes down problem solved. Good luck.

I checked the power today, and there is a blue and a green wire running up from the power tilt motor. I traced the wire back to a junction that I could disconnect, that was AFTER the relay. When I clicked the up switch, one point went hot. When I clicked the down button, the other side went hot. Remember that this is after the relay, so both legs got power when I clicked the corresponding button. Since that works, might it be a bad ground somewhere, or something on the switch not making good contact? I manually lowered the engine, and once it was down lower i could raise AND lower the unit, but as soon as the engine got higher up, the down stopped functioning. Im a bit baffled.

I got in a solenoid today so Ill be able to replace that and be able to start the engine with the key, and a co-worker had a spare pair of "ear muffs" I could have, so I can use those. Now I just have to drain the tank, get it new gas, and some new oil. I cant WAIT to have this thing running

Also, I took a lower unit screw out to check the oil in it, and it came out a thick black. Is this good/bad/normal? It probably hasnt been changed in 2+ years, nor run in that timeframe.

 

[foodfisher]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

Take the tilt/trim question to the Force/Chrysler forum. RRitt there is the answer man on tilt/trim. I hope the lower unit screw you removed was way down and under the bullet. On the side is a slotted screw you DO NOT want to remove. It keeps the gears shifting properly. The oil sounds acceptable if it doesn't have any metal particles in it. To change it is good. The smell is unique to lower unit oil, almost a burnt smell.

 

[um0RION]

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Take the tilt/trim question to the Force/Chrysler forum. RRitt there is the answer man on tilt/trim. I hope the lower unit screw you removed was way down and under the bullet. On the side is a slotted screw you DO NOT want to remove. It keeps the gears shifting properly. The oil sounds acceptable if it doesn't have any metal particles in it. To change it is good. The smell is unique to lower unit oil, almost a burnt smell.

Whoops, sorry wrong thing.. editing..

I got the tilt to release and let the engine down, but I think I might have a bad ground somewhere. Ill be able to give it a better look-over tomorrow afternoon.

I read some stuff on lower unit oil checking, and there were two very similar plugs in the lower unit that appeared to be the plugs to check the oil. They were about the size of a dime (the head) and im pretty sure that it was the correct one. I undid the lower one, let out a bit of oil, enough to see the color and get that burnt smell, and that was it.

 

[ezmobee]

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Think black lower oil is just oil that hasn't been changed in a really long time. It does not sound like it's suffered any water intrusion which is good. Drain it out and fill with new. Fill from the bottom until it comes out the top.

 

[um0RION]

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Think black lower oil is just oil that hasn't been changed in a really long time. It does not sound like it's suffered any water intrusion which is good. Drain it out and fill with new. Fill from the bottom until it comes out the top.

Thats the plan. and its always good to hear that what Im doing is right

Another small update, I made the decision today that I WILL take the engine off, remove the steering arm from the tilt tube, and clean it from the back to front. My plan there is Seafoam cleaner first, doing a couple flushes with the seafoam, then once that is flowing alright, Ill use some light motor oil (10W20 or something) to keep it lubed. Ill use whatever those guys used in that thread dan4081 mentioned.

I got my solenoid in today and got it all installed. Engine turns over just like it should when I turn the key. Very happy to see that. I also drained the tank of the gas, but my coworker who knows engines says the gas looked and smelled fine. Just in case, Ill be putting that old stuff into my car, and using some new gas in the boat. No sense making starting harder than it should be. I might have mentioned that I did get the earmuffs, so ill be able to hook this up and get it running as soon as it gets some gas in it. Cant wait!

 

[dan4081]

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Thats the plan. and its always good to hear that what Im doing is right

Another small update, I made the decision today that I WILL take the engine off, remove the steering arm from the tilt tube, and clean it from the back to front. My plan there is Seafoam cleaner first, doing a couple flushes with the seafoam, then once that is flowing alright, Ill use some light motor oil (10W20 or something) to keep it lubed. Ill use whatever those guys used in that thread dan4081 mentioned.

I got my solenoid in today and got it all installed. Engine turns over just like it should when I turn the key. Very happy to see that. I also drained the tank of the gas, but my coworker who knows engines says the gas looked and smelled fine. Just in case, Ill be putting that old stuff into my car, and using some new gas in the boat. No sense making starting harder than it should be. I might have mentioned that I did get the earmuffs, so ill be able to hook this up and get it running as soon as it gets some gas in it. Cant wait!

I used ATF Transmission fluid and pumped the compressor to 100lbs. I'm sure seafoam would work at least as well.

We disconnected the steering cable at both ends and took it out of the boat thinking it was going to need to be replaced. Once I discovered the ATF/compressor trick I didnt need to replace it though.

If I were doing it over again I would just disconnect the cable under the dash (I have rack steering in my boat) and at the tilt tube and hook the compressor contraption to the cable under the dash and let it sit over night. No real need to remove from the boat. Then the next day grab the cable end and push and pull to work it free. Should be fairly easy after having the ATF forced through it over night.

 

[um0RION]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

I used ATF Transmission fluid and pumped the compressor to 100lbs. I'm sure seafoam would work at least as well.

We disconnected the steering cable at both ends and took it out of the boat thinking it was going to need to be replaced. Once I discovered the ATF/compressor trick I didnt need to replace it though.

If I were doing it over again I would just disconnect the cable under the dash (I have rack steering in my boat) and at the tilt tube and hook the compressor contraption to the cable under the dash and let it sit over night. No real need to remove from the boat. Then the next day grab the cable end and push and pull to work it free. Should be fairly easy after having the ATF forced through it over night.

I tried to do that, but I ran into some problems. I couldnt disconnect the rack from the steering cable. I must have tried for an hour. I unhooked the rectangular tube with the gear strip thing in it from the steering wheel, but that is as far as I got. I could see the nut holding the cable on one end, and on the cable end there was a plastic cover inserted into the metal tube around the cable. I tried, but couldnt dislodge it. Is there some way to remove that that I missed? Otherwise I am going to disconnect the engine, remove the steering arm, then clamp that steering luber over it, and pump the gunk to the helm, and hopefully it will flush out past that gearing in the rack.

 

[foodfisher]

Re: Problems with a '91 Bayliner Capri

I wouldn't put the old gas in the car. It's got oil mixed in it and will put up quite a smoke screen and foul smog control devices. Most use it in lawn mowers, weed eaters etc. I saved mine and am reusing it 6 gals at a time.

 

[um0RION]

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I wouldn't put the old gas in the car. It's got oil mixed in it and will put up quite a smoke screen and foul smog control devices. Most use it in lawn mowers, weed eaters etc. I saved mine and am reusing it 6 gals at a time.

It does? My engine has an oil reserve in the battery compartment, and it says just to use regular gas on the gas cap of the tank. I dont think there's any oil in that gas, I believe the engine does that itself. Very similar to my seadoo, it has an oil tank which it pulls from and mixes the gas with. Im 99.9% sure I dont have oil in the gasoline tank.

The engine is a 120hp Evinrude VRO, if I hadnt mentioned that before. I believe that means "Variable rate oil"