Question about GW Bush and Global Warming

Haut Medoc · Mar 20, 2006

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HC, I said dimwit Texan.... Not Whitt, Texas....

....JK There once was a cowboy from Corpus... Who got too friendly with a porpoise... Fer git it!... I'll get zapped!

ob · Mar 20, 2006

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C'mon Haut.You can do it.Just make it clean.I won't get offended.I was real friendly with a Porpoise once. Well.........twice really.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ok ,three times........But he just kept coming up to my boat.You know......I mean what could I do.Ya'll got Dolphins don't you?

Skinnywater · Mar 20, 2006

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When it comes to the environment it's the liberal that exaggerates that the damage is greater than it is. A Republican exaggerates that it is not as bad. Both are equal in their exaggerations, both only agree with any science as it supports their arguments. Kinda like the yin and yang of ignorance. I think conservatives know with plain sensibility that collectively we are capable of ruining our environment. The last one to trust with protecting the environment is a politician, the only "science" they need comes by way of a lobbyist.

Link · Mar 20, 2006

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Originally posted by JB: Global warming has historically preceded ice ages and happened several times before human population of the earth exceeded the current population of Mexico City. Must have been those prehistoric creatures emitting too much methane.

You nailed it JB. And then topped it off with a joke!

Ken Not trying to hijack your post. But very few are talking about the up comming Ice Age as JB mentioned. Go figure It's just Mother Earth using her HVAC system to do what she needs to do. And she doesn't need mankinds permission! WHAT a Arrogrant Broad!

Back on topic Ken I think President Bush already knows this.

WillyBWright · Mar 20, 2006

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Go ahead and debate this til the ice caps melt and DFW is under water. Just makes my high-and-dry upper midwest home worth all that much more.

As for Dubya's position? Let's see ... global warming ... fossil fuels ... Texas Oil millionaire ... Oil is Fossil Fuel. Hmmmmmmmm

Asking the Prez about Global Warming is like asking a Tobacco Company CEO about Lung Cancer. He'd put his left hand on the Bible and raisie his right hand and say "I believe that there is no connection." He wouldn't be lying. He Actually Believes It! It's well within his character to deny what's obvious to the rest of the planet. GW's right, the rest of the planet is wrong.

I wonder if he's related to my EX-wife.

SS MAYFLOAT · Mar 20, 2006

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I think it is all bunk! Our lifetime is only a fraction of time compared to the age of the earth. We won't ever know if humans caused it or just nature. However thanks to the theroy and what if's it caused freon to skyrocket and changes made in the refrigeration service. I guess one could say it is beneficial for creating new technology and freon gases. What good is that going to do when other countries haven't changed nothing to do with global warming? Sorta like catching all the water from Niagra falls with a bucket,,,,,,it aint gonna happen. With all the CO gases, it seems like the grass, weeds, and trees seem to be really enjoying it.

PW2 · Mar 20, 2006

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Thi topic is very important to Europeans, as I guess they somehow think the climate of the world affects them as well I can't understand how we can criticize the Europeans for their lack of support of issues important to us while we systematically thumb our noses at issues important to them. -------------------------------- "He has an uncanny knack for denying what is & explaining what isn't" ....JK _____________________________________ You called that a cheap shot, JB? It sounds pretty descriptive to me. You see Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld the last couple of days explaining how wonderful things are going in Iraq?? It is as if they are in some sort of parallel universe.

kenimpzoom · Mar 21, 2006

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Anyway the point of this thread was to prove that liberals will lie to make a point. Kinda pathetic isnt it, and if they knew any better they would realize that lying doesnt help their cause in the long run. And PW2 Europeans are taught from a young age that the government is responsible for everything. Its called socialism. Funny they forget the jillion of tons of coal burnt in thier fireplaces not to long ago. Now its easier just to blame GWB. Ken

WillyBWright · Mar 21, 2006

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All that just to prove that politicians lie? Heck, Prez is the Poster Child for lying politicians.

Bob Fort · Mar 21, 2006

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I no longer worry about global warming. Given Hillarys election in 2008, the frigid factor will increase appreciably and the polar caps won't dare melt! Seriously, either Hilary, Al Gore and/or John Kerry have the solutions to all our ills as a nation, so sit back and enjoy the ride to the left. The proof I offer is that they are so keenly able to discern what everyone else is doing wrong, they must have run into the right answers somewhere along the way....

kenimpzoom · Mar 21, 2006

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Originally posted by WillyBWright: All that just to prove that politicians lie? Heck, Prez is the Poster Child for lying politicians.

I was specifically referring to Jim Hightower a liberal radio commentator. Of course politicians lie, that is the only thing we can be sure of.

Ken

dogsdad · Mar 21, 2006

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Originally posted by SS Mayfloat: However thanks to the theroy and what if's it caused freon to skyrocket and changes made in the refrigeration service. I guess one could say it is beneficial for creating new technology and freon gases.

Mayfloat, you are so close to the dirty little truth...the mandatory change to a new refrigerant---which necessitated the replacement of a lot of equipment---was lobbied for by certain industry interests. All this crap that the rest of the world wants to force upon America is nothing a design to destroy our economic strength. The conclusion that our industry is responsible for global pollution is politically motivated by those who want to impose world socialism. If they were so concerned about the environment, they would be all over Red China's case. China is incredibly polluted and does little or nothing to clean up their act. Screw the rest of the world. Someone's going to be on top, and it may as well be us---meaning Western Civilization. Let the Europeans try all their socialist schemes and fail.

PW2 · Mar 21, 2006

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So, because you don't agree with their system of government, it is ok to completely ignore their concerns, while criticizing them for not being supportive of our concerns? Hmm??? I can't imagine why some in Europe consider Americans arrogant!

mattttt25 · Mar 21, 2006

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fact- we humans are polluting the earth at an increasing rate. we need to do everything we can to reduce this. i don't want my grandchildren to be left cleaning up the mess i helped contribute to. whether you believe in global warming or not, you should support what i just said. and it just so happens, if you curb pollution, you make the scientists that are concerned with global warming happy. we all win.

Stratosfied · Mar 21, 2006

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Now I know that I've been gone for a while but...has anyone given thought to idea that the instruments that we use to measure temperature and other physical properties has gained exponentionally in the last, oh say 100-200 years??? So what if they state that it has risen .5 degrees in the last 100 years?? The margin of error on a poll is =-3% or more. Measure temperature with a 1886 state of art device and compare it to todays instruments. Which is correct???

QC · Mar 21, 2006

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Originally posted by PW2: Thi topic is very important to Europeans

I don't care who it is important to only if it is real. With that said, there is very little bad with voluntary methods to reduce GHGs. Almost all solutions are simply about enhanced efficiency. If you mandate reductions without recognizing that sometimes the alternatives conflict with other priorities, then you do little more than make lawyers rich (a little nod to 18R). An example is vehicular. The quickest solution to reduce GHGs in the US from vehicles is an immediate transition to diesel for light-duty vehicles (aka cars). Remember though that NOx and particulate emissions are killing us too, so we'll have to decide by which poison we prefer to accelerate our demise . . .

PW2 · Mar 21, 2006

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You can argue why its happening, or you can argue what if anything to do about it, but the science is pretty well settled that it is indeed happening. The global ice cap, and the accelerated rate it is melting at, is not caused by a better quality, or differently calibrated, thermometer. And if voluntary measures would work, I am in favor of them. I am with Matt on this. To the extent we are making the problem worse, we owe it to future generations to do what we can to reduce that trend--And being a drain on the economy--even if it were true and I would dispute that it is true--but even if true is not reason enough to do nothing.

kenimpzoom · Mar 21, 2006

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Hmmm... Global warming will cause. 1. Polar ice caps melt. 2. Higher ocean level 3. Higher temperatures 4. Global weather changes I keep hearing this and still say... SO WHAT. Life goes on. And please dont confuse global warming with pollution. They are related, but not the same. I do not like pollution and the Clean Air Act saved us from choking on our own fumes. But if you really want to prevent global warming, I suggest you look at population control as the best method. Ken

QC · Mar 21, 2006

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I have never doubted that we are in a period of "Global Warming". My doubts are whether or not we are causing it; if we are, whether or not we can affect it; or whether this is some 100 year "blip" that will be reversed within the next 10 minutes by stuff that we don't understand and don't have control of anyway. I submit that the latter is the most likely, but it is our own arrogance that leads us to believe the former. BTW, since KIZ brought it up. The Europeans call Greenhouse Gasses "Carbon Emissions" and they call what we (gol durn 'murcans) call emissions "Pollutants". I think that is the distinction you're talking about KIZ. My point was that most measures to combat (as if we could) Global Warming are about efficiency improvements, which, I agree are generally good for us regardless of the impact on Global Warming or lack thereof. However, the "pollutants" that I have grown up fighting (remember I am from L.A. and we know a whole lot about air pollution . . .) are actually increased by some GHG reduction stuff. Soooooo, this is not some simple deal, we can't simply make this "cleaner" and it will make that "cleaner". It just doesn't work like that. The fact is that cars and trucks get dirtier (Pollutants) as you increase efficiency by the simplest means, and visa versa. An exception is Hybrids, but they only work well in stop and go situations. And please don't get me started on Hydrogen . . . Also, if you propose that we should scrap all fossil based power plants and replace them with either solar or hydro or wind or tidal surge stuff, there will be someone who believes (me too) that you are just polluting in a much grander way. Sooooo, again, this ship ain't simple. It is not just GWB saying no because he has oil buddies, nor is it because we (gol durn 'murcans) have no respect for the rest of mankind. P.S. I really want a lot more dams, because I love reservoirs. They can fill Yosemite if they want to. Half Dome would be a nice little rock to tie up to . . .

POINTER94 · Mar 21, 2006

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I really want to get my boat out early this year. I think I will drive my V8 powered SUV around for the heck of it to hasten springs arrival. SUV's are causing the world to warm up don't you know. SUV's are the devil!! I have 2 of them.

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