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[LippCJ7]

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Aren't we getting two separate things mixed up? You have to go through the federal background check process in order to purchase a firearm but what does the CCW process in any state have to do with the FBI (NICS) process? I suppose the local sheriffs office could go ahead and start the federal background check for purchasing a firearm but that still has nothing to do with CCW.

Not getting them mixed up at all, I'm getting PG a FBI#, most of your info that you put on the form to purchase a gun is ignored unless you have an issue or commit a crime, the most important info is your name DOB Social and if you have it your FBI#, most don't know they have one but if you have committed a crime or bought a gun you do, If you have filed your prints with the FBI you also do(CCW), the point of getting a CCW is that PG wants one, he may not know it yet but he does. But more importantly is he needs that FBI#, SID's are good also but they are State issued and therefore don't always carry as much punch as the FBI# does. It is a quick way to clarify who you are, however lots of people like to throw that Government thing out there without consideration that there are 300 MILLION People in this country, you can only have so many name combinations, my name is pretty rare but I know of at least 6 others with the exact same name, 2 that were born in the same year and one the same month and year. Now throw identity theft in the mix and PG May not even know that someone is using his identity, This is about clarifying his identity so that he no longer gets denied again, and it starts with an FBI number.

Fingerprints are still the most common method in clarifying identity, DNA is coming on strong but probably a little ways out though.

 

[QC]

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it's all the pain killers I have been taking

Now you've done it!! No permit for you either... Thanks for contacting the FBI.

 

[PiratePast40]

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Lipp, thanks for the explanation but I'm still not sure how the local sheriffs dept. has anything to do with purchasing a firearm, unless you have a criminal record with them. For CCW (CCL here in Oregon), the sheriffs dept does the admin chores and issues but it's a state license. We don't have such a thing as a firearms card or registration here in Oregon. You just decide on what you want, fill out the paperwork, wait the 10 minutes for the NICS, pay for your new purchase, and make sure you have enough ammo for your next trip to the range to make it fun!

As for FBI#, I'd like to learn more about how to obtain that. I've never seen a reference to one on any firearms permit or security background investigation (government or civilian) that I can recall. How do you go about obtaining the one you have and would it really help?

 

[LippCJ7]

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Well and thats where most people make that mistake.

First of all you vote for your Sheriff, in most places he is the highest ranking Law Enforcement Official in the County. But as an elected official he better have your personal well being firmly in mind, after all you elected him. So yes you can call it admin chores, but in reality if your Sheriff is worth any salt he will fight for you. Thats why I say go get your CCW, I don't know a Sheriff that is against his constituents lawfully carrying, by contrast I know way to many Chiefs of police that are, do you know the difference? in the US most Chiefs of police are appointed, by whom You should wonder and that's where it gets very political, normally he is appointed by the Mayor after approval of the City Council, so your police Chief better have his Boss's well being in mind and in my opinion that is whats wrong with them, they are there to protect the people, First not the Mayor.

Your FBI number is not a big deal unless you have a problem be it you committed a crime or you have an issue with your identity, I think I can safely say most people do not have one but I know almost everyone has no idea what it is or what it does. And the truth is it doesn't do much, unless your a criminal or you have an Identity issue LOL.

 

[PiratePast40]

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Your FBI number is not a big deal unless you have a problem be it you committed a crime or you have an issue with your identity, I think I can safely say most people do not have one but I know almost everyone has no idea what it is or what it does. And the truth is it doesn't do much, unless your a criminal or you have an Identity issue LOL.

After looking it up, I'd have to agree it's probably not worthwhile unles you are having a problem. But it is interesting.

 

[produceguy]

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Guys I went to the local sherrifs office and they couldn't run a full background check. They could only go back as far as I have lived in the state. So the last 15 years are clear. No record. I live in a small town on the out skirts of Phoneix. The sherrifs office said I need to go to the Phoneix DPS office and they could run a full backround check. So I think my next step is to get printed and send that and a copy of my drivers license along with the ntn # to the fbi and if overtuned get a VAF number? Sorry guys I do not know what a ccw or a ccl stand for or a vaf. I'm new to all this.So I will send that off and in the mean time I will try to get to Phoneix.And go from their. Am I on the right track?

 

[LippCJ7]

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Yeah, in a nutshell it means you were either charged with a pretty serious crime, or you submitted prints to the FBI, I also forgot that if you were in the military or had a federal security clearance you also most likely have one.

 

[produceguy]

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Yeah, in a nutshell it means you were either charged with a pretty serious crime, or you submitted prints to the FBI, I also forgot that if you were in the military or had a federal security clearance you also most likely have one.

No military just your average joe. I hope this is all just a mistake.

 

[LippCJ7]

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Ok let me ask you a question? Why do you want to buy a gun?

You went to buy an AR-15 right? That gun has one mission in life, it was invented to do one thing, kill people, not animals. So If I am right you want to see if your a gun person and also to protect yourself and your family like most new gun owners do, and just so those of you who don't know me don't get off base here I own several AR-15's I love them but it is in no way a hunting rifle.

I think you could do a lot worse then a quality AR platform, they have become the Small Block Chevy of Firearms, you buy it and two years down the road its a completely different gun.

But guns multiply, you learn that you cannot carry your AR to the WalMart and god knows what hoodlums are at WalMart, I mean all you wanted was some Nacho's right?

Here is the problem, how many victims predicted the moment they became a victim?

So what do you do about it? you Carry, every day, and that AR is really tough to do that without causing a few moments of panic and several "Interviews" from the local police! So how do you avoid such attention? You carry a Handgun instead(remember the guns multiply thing?).

Now if you carry your handgun on your hip for everyone to see that's called Open Carry, some like it some don't its YOUR CHOICE!

But if you want to have your t-shirt covering your gun you should get a CCW or Concealed Carry Weapons Permit also called a CHP Concealed Handgun Permit. I believe in your state you do not have to have one but if you want to do the same here in Colorado while your on your ski trip you need a CCW, Colorado and Arizona as well as a majority of western and midwestern states enjoy reciprocity with each other which means so long as you legally carry a CCW in your home state your CCW is valid in those states as well.


Guns are like Tools, there are a few guns that do lots of things well but then there are guns that do one thing great, but there are so many things to do with guns! So you wind up like most gun owners, with a gun safe full of guns that do one thing great and a few that do a lot of things very well.

 

[jigngrub]

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AR 15's, AK 47's... what ever happened to a sawed off double barrel shotgun?

 

[produceguy]

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I want a assullt rifle the same reason I bought a boat. I enjoy boating and I enjoy shooting. I do not hunt. This would be just for myself and my family to enjoy. I do not see the need right now to carry a handgun, for myself. I know a few people and family members that do and thats their choice. Yes if I ever had to it would be used to protect my family and I would never consider or even think about carrying an ar-15 into any public store.
LippCJ7 I hope that doesnt sound rude in any way, thats not my intensions and thank you again for your help.

 

[LippCJ7]

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not rude at all, your just new is all, once you get one its over, just like Boating and twofootitis!

Look understand that I am no fanatic, but you need to realize that there are those that feel a gun owner is in fact a fanatic. I hope you get this straightened out, I believe an armed society is a polite society, I enjoy shooting with my four children, right until I realized my son is a better shot then I am.

But in the end I wish all Americans would exercise their rights, all of them, even when it humbles the old man.....

 

[rbh]

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HEY, Bud I need more guns up north!!!!!!


Lots of Varmets and all !!

 

[projo198]

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I want a assullt rifle the same reason I bought a boat.

Please don't get twisted in the terminology, an assault rifle is a rifle that is selective fire, meaning that it can fire fully and/or semi automatic. These are illegal to own unless you have a license, which is expensive. Unfortunately the media seems to tag ANY firearm used in a crime as an "assault rifle" for hype and it drives me crazy!

I say buy whatever firearms you want. I own A LOT and I build them as well. WITH RESPECT; an AR rifle isn't "designed to do one thing, kill people". that is ridiculous. You can varmint hunt with them, target shoot, match shoot, it is a sport. People said the same thing about "breach loading rifles" in the 1800s. Now muzzle-loading is the separate sport. Also if you wanted to stick with that position there would be no sense in owning M1 Garands, Mosin Nagants, Enfields, Mausers and any of the other C&R rifles avaliable that carry a rich history and are fun to shoot.

I'm glad to hear your interest in firearm ownership, so please don't let this snafu dissuade you. I am a CCH holder as well, so some of the above statements are true.

Enjoy!

 

[WIMUSKY]

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Please don't get twisted in the terminology, an assault rifle is a rifle that is selective fire, meaning that it can fire fully and/or semi automatic. These are illegal to own unless you have a license, which is expensive. Unfortunately the media seems to tag ANY firearm used in a crime as an "assault rifle" for hype and it drives me crazy!



Enjoy!

Drives me crazy too. These "assault" rifles are no more than a semi auto rifle. They are no more of an assault rifle than my semi auto Browning 30-06 that I use for deer hunting. They just "look" military. Hence, the assault label. Maybe my -06 is an assault rifle too given the media's perception. They ban "assault" rifles, then they need to ban all semi auto rifles no matter what the brand or appearance. Because they are all basically the same guns.......

ps. I'd love to have an AR15 to mess around with......

 

[lncoop]

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HEY, Bud I need more guns up north!!!!!!


Lots of Varmets and all !!

Just don't go shootin' any loose llamas that might be running around.

 

[RogersJetboat454]

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MA may be one of those PITA states to get issued a FID/LTC, and may be restrictive on some of the hand guns you can buy, but the one thing it has going for it is all the back ground check stuff is done when you apply for your FID/LTC. The process takes up-wards of 6-8 weeks. You have to visit your local town or citys police department for prints, and a mug shot. Then answer the silly question as to "why you would need a gun permit". But after it's all done, purchasing is fairly strait forward. Walk into a gun shop, or gun show. Pick your favorite flavor. Fill out a form. The shop owner makes a 2 minute phone call, and your out the door with your new buddy.
If you have recently been hauled in for DUI, assault, or domestic issues, your FID or LTC is either taken or suspended.

ProduceGuy, I hope it all gets straitened out. My only wonder with you situation is if there may be some sort of unspoken moratorium on the sales of military style weapons to fist time buyers, in light of the recent psycho who shot up the movie theater.

 

[PiratePast40]

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Produceguy, the best thing you can do is keep trying the appeals process. Even though the lady on the phone told you it may take months, I'd keep trying the website. If it doesn't come up, you've still got the snail mail approach. Short version is that you're better off to follow the protocal set up by the FBI for this particular circumstance.

As far as making another attempt at approval, legally, and through another federally licensed dealer, nothing wrong with that if you feel there was a mistake in the way you filled out the form initially or if you feel the denial was a clerical error.

The terms you've been seeing about CCW, CHL, and other terms refer to concealed carry permits, licenses, and some states requirements for additional permissions to purchase a firearm or ammunition in that state. They really don't have anything to do with your purchase of a long gun in Arizona, regardless of the color, stock, tacticool additions, or similarity to a firearm made by Armalite.

 

[Bob_VT]

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Just an informational boost

People are discussing the term assault rifle (which was the original term used) when the initial ban was on assault weapons (this is the current terminology) as defined here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

States and cities can and have supplemented the rules and terms. They can exceed the rules but not reduce them.

I do not think the rules have any applicable use in the Original Poster's situation or he would have been told that right up front.

 

[ezbtr]

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Happened to me a few years ago, my ex(whom I beat in court twice) had my wages illegally garnished, via CSS which in turn got my license suspended, credit messed up and I never was notified of any of these issues. I had MY police dept run a check on me over the phone, they're not supposed to, but I told them my story, took maybe 10 mins. they say it happens all the time - scary!!!
Took me 18 mos to get all cleaned up and the ex never was penalized for perjuring herself in court, AND did'nt pay the money back, CSS paid me back - what a crock......