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Wow, you beat your ex-wife in court and the bailiffs didn't take you down??;) I try to avoid beating my wife in public.:p
 

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Went to purchase a new ar 15. I have no crimanil background nor any felonies and i have never been committed to a medical institute so why am i being denied my right to buy a firearm? I am a legal US citizen and I love my country and I am very gratefull for what are military has done for us and is doing.
I guess I just need to vent a little. I filed an apeall. Has any one of you been thru this and what ended up happening?

You look a little young?
 

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Nothing beats a 20 gauge, double side-by-side shotgun. Just throwing that out there.
 
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you guys seem to know about guns and i dont want to hijack a thread but its on the same lines. if you are married and one of you buys a gun is the gun the property of the buyer or the property of the married couple. i heard that in florida if a man buys a gun for his wife it is not a straw purchase as they are married so does that mean the fbi would check both husband and wife?
 

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All the talk about banning assult rifles or 30 round mags just makes me think that I might not be able to get a ar if they ban them any time soon.
My brother came down a couple months ago on vacation and brought a few firearms and one was a ar-15. He took me to the range and I loved it. Been contemplateing buying one since. I will get this cleared up but man what a pain in the ars and I can tell it's going to take awhile.
Thanks for clearing up the terms for me. I'm learning alot from you guys.
 

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you guys seem to know about guns and i dont want to hijack a thread but its on the same lines. if you are married and one of you buys a gun is the gun the property of the buyer or the property of the married couple. i heard that in florida if a man buys a gun for his wife it is not a straw purchase as they are married so does that mean the fbi would check both husband and wife?
I dunno' Florida's law, but here in TN - Even though you go through a background check, neither the state or federal governments tie the background check to the sale of a specific firearm. It is merely performed at the time you purchase "a" firearm. We do not register our firearms here in TN, so no agency (state, local or federal) knows how many guns I own ... or don't own. There is no required background check for private transfer of ownership either - so, I can legally give my wife a gun with no problem. I can also legally sell another person a firearm and I am not required to run a background check. So, here in TN - the gun can become property of my wife, even if I was the one who bought it (and had the background check).
 

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you guys seem to know about guns and i dont want to hijack a thread but its on the same lines. if you are married and one of you buys a gun is the gun the property of the buyer or the property of the married couple. i heard that in florida if a man buys a gun for his wife it is not a straw purchase as they are married so does that mean the fbi would check both husband and wife?
I can see that being the case provided that both parties can legally own a gun.

But this really becomes a difficult issue because that is a Straw purchase of sorts but under the Straw Purchase law you are allowed to purchase and then give the gun to a family member as a gift, again provided that family member can legally own a gun. The reason why this is important to know is that it is tradition for a father to buy his son his first gun, or maybe I buy my wife a gun for her own protection, these are perfectly legal provided they can legally own a gun, but for you to buy a gun and then give it as a gift to your friend who legally cannot own a gun your guilty of a few pretty serious laws.

As to whether this addresses your question I can't answer that because you would need to go to a divorce lawyer, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Judge allow this provided the spouse pass the legal process for purchasing a new gun just to cover the judges backside, its that difficult a question to answer.

Projo198, I stated that the AR was invented to do one thing, kill people and that is a fact, invented by Eugene Morrison Stoner for the United States Military, and last time I checked the United States Military wasn't hunting Ducks. I find it interesting that you then go on to state other Military rifles that are fun to shoot without regard to the FACT that these rifles were also invented to Kill people FIRST, For the countries respective Military.

AR-15/M-16 Rifle US Military
M1 Garand Rifle US Military
Lee Enfield Rifle British Military
Mauser Rifle German Military
You forgot the most popular one Kalashnikov AK-47 Russian Military

To me these are all Assault Rifles because they were invented for one reason, to kill people in the name of the respective country by way of that countries Military. None of these guns were invented for hunting or sporting, they all make fun guns to shoot but if your going to tell me you enjoy taking your Enfield Deer or Elk hunting your a half bubble off plum.

I don't consider a gun that carries hi capacity magazines to be the defining factor in calling a gun an Assault Rifle, to me a gun that was invented for use by the military of a nation is an Assault Rifle, it was designed to kill other nations military's.

Call them what you want, I have no issue with the Term Assault Rifle unless it is used improperly in my opinion, Hunting Rifles are exactly that Hunting Rifles, Sporting Rifles again whats the problem they are used for Sport shooting, but Guns invented to kill people are Assault Rifles, Calling a Hunting Rifle an Assault Rifle will be a problem for me.

Take for instance the Remington 700, a fine hunting rifle, great in the field great at mid distance but easily modified to be a fine shooting long distance rifle, guess what that gets the attention of? The US Military, but that doesn't make this an Assault Rifle its still a hunting rifle adapted to the US Military Specifications for Sniper use, its a hunting rifle first.

These are Rifles that carry the stigma "Assault" rifles everyone cries about, those very rifles you stated are what I consider to be Assault Rifles including the AR because they were invented to Kill people FIRST, then after they were rendered obsolete by better rifles or people modifying them people began to use them for sport. Just like the AR platform, also as I stated have become the small block Chevy of Firearms, which I mean to say you make it what ever you want, varmint or whatever its your choice but you cannot logically dispute that this gun is exactly what I said it was, invented to kill people, you could argue that it wasn't the best at that either the AK-47 has an incredible record as a people killer that far and away beats the M-16 platform in many areas but that's an opinion and I don't have one there, I own both and love them both but when I need a goto Rifle its one of my AR's.
 

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All the talk about banning assult rifles...
Nice thing is if they ban "assault rifles," you should still be able to get an AR15. It's a carbine :D

...or 30 round mags just makes me think that I might not be able to get a ar if they ban them any time soon.
... even when the ban was in effect on "assault weapons." It wasn't actually that difficult to purchase pre-ban mags and firearms. They just couldn't manufacture them.

...He took me to the range and I loved it.
That's the best reason to purchase a specific type of gun, you loved shooting it. That means you will shoot it, and learn about it. Just watch your pennies ... you can shoot up a lot of ammunition REALLY fast with one of those AR's. :D
 

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I never have bought a gun other than a few black powder pistols. I thought that as long as you had no felony convictions or medical records showing a mental issue (manic depressive for example) they pretty much had to sell you a hand gun and for hunting rifles you only had to prove you were 18... Has all that changed? Do they want a big background check just to buy an old army rifle like a chi-com sk like the one my brother brought back from Veit Nam?
 

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Projo198, I stated that the AR was invented to do one thing, kill people and that is a fact,

Trust me, I know the history of the rifle. But your definition of the term "assault rifle" is wrong. By ATF definition an "assault rifle" is selective fire, i.e. the Armalite AR-15 becoming the "Colt M-16" for military use. Now you may be thinking of the title "assault weapon" which is often used in reference to AR-15s, SKS, AK variant and other such firearms. However this term is used very loosely and really hasn't been defined clearly since the AWB.

I do take a little offense to your comment about the Enfield. I have hunted with my Enfield, SKS and I took my very first deer with a hex receiver M91/30. Open sites at around 150 yards. Dropped the deer with one shot. But that's a whole different debate.

As for the AK/AR discussion.. well you know people go back and forth on that all day. However I'm pretty sure it's record is just a result of the huge quantities that are circulating the world today and the availability.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I hope I am not insulting you giving mine, in the spirit of conversation. Always happy to talk guns!
 

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Interesting take on the question at hand Lipp.

To through my .02c in, hunters and snipers are one in the same, "One shot One kill", using a heavy barrel, big bore weapon (7.62mm up)
Now if you get a soldier in the field under fire with a lite small bore weapon (5.56/223) and 30 rounds in the mag, you usually get 29 rounds to keep the enemys head down and hopefully one round to maim or kill.
(Yes I know AKs and other eastern weapons are 7.62mm)
So I think the question should be not about the weapon (single shot, semi auto, full auto) but the availability of rounds that can be used on one application.
 

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Gentlemen -
Let's "try" to keep this in-line with the original poster's comments. I even strayed a bit, but the post should not be focused on weapons but on the original poster's dilemma.

Thanks.
 

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I never have bought a gun other than a few black powder pistols. I thought that as long as you had no felony convictions or medical records showing a mental issue (manic depressive for example) they pretty much had to sell you a hand gun and for hunting rifles you only had to prove you were 18... Has all that changed? Do they want a big background check just to buy an old army rifle like a chi-com sk like the one my brother brought back from Veit Nam?

Well now that raises a Q for me. I do take a antideprsent for anxiety not depression. I get anxiety while driveing for long periods of time.
I do believe the Q on the application said. Have you ever involintarly or volintarly ever been committed to a medical institution. I wonder if thats it because like I said, no crimanl background. Sorry for the spelling guys.
 

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Gentlemen -
Let's "try" to keep this in-line with the original poster's comments. I even strayed a bit, but the post should not be focused on weapons but on the original poster's dilemma.

Thanks.

Bob, I don't mind at all. If you would like I could change the title?
 

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Bob, I don't mind at all. If you would like I could change the title?

Well I could but since you were denied a weapon sale....... that is not permitted!









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Just kidding :D

sure tell me the new title ;)
 

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You can edit your own title for around a month. All you have to do is go to the main page of the forum where your post is located, then double click out away from the title (as shown in the picture below) edit the title and click out of the box. job done.

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produceguy

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Well I could but since you were denied a weapon sale....... that is not permitted!









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Just kidding :D

sure tell me the new title ;)

HAHAHA, Thats not right buddy.
How about gun topics?
 

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Produceguy; How did this come out for you?
The below quote may be what kept you from getting that AR. When you attempted to purchase, the dealer ran a NICS check, right? Did you also fill out a release form for medical info? If so, that was a legal release for them to access ALL of your medical info, and they may have decided to make a decision on the side of caution.
It's also possible that somewhere else in the U.S., someone with a name just like yours has some legal issues that would deny them a firearm. The NICS is notorius for just such instances, and the legal purchaser is left up to the task of proving he/she is not the other guy.

Here in Iowa, one can go to the local Sheriff's office and apply for a purchase permit. They do the background check, and if one is clean, they get a paper purchase permit good for a year. One can also get a concealed weapons permit, good for five years, and in both cases, one can walk into a store and walk out with whatever they wish to get, no NICS check done.

I don't know if Arizona has such a system in place, but it might be worth checking out.

Roger

Well now that raises a Q for me. I do take a antideprsent for anxiety not depression. I get anxiety while driveing for long periods of time.
I do believe the Q on the application said. Have you ever involintarly or volintarly ever been committed to a medical institution. I wonder if thats it because like I said, no crimanl background. Sorry for the spelling guys.
 

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On a lighter note, a local never do well, shot himself just above the knee while a passenger in a moving vehicle. Good shooting I think :D
 
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