Ready to buy an inflatable

[pgnyc]

HI !

it is time for me to think of buying an inflatable.

Right now i have nothing, ok last year i bought a VHF marine Uniden MHS126. and i have my NYS boating safety certificate.

So i need everything else.


- Inflatable : saturn 14' - SD430 (or similar)

- outboard : thinking 20HP - were do you find NEW 2 strokes outboard ? is there dealers in NYC where i can see outboard ?

- Life jacket

- Launching wheels

- anchor + line

- gps/charplotter/fishfinder ???? - what do you have

- electric pump



- DMV - register the boat - title ? on the registration form you have : Get a TITLE ONLY for a 1987 or newer motorized boat that is 14 or more feet long

- make plate

- Launching permit


Thank you for helping me.

Pascal

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Pascal,

What are your needs for having venturing on such big 430 inflatable ? Type of boating, number of passengers to start with. Forgot the trailer...

Happy Boating

 

[Guest]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Searider is the Guru of Iboats forum. That said, 430 Is a huge boat. Unless you plan on keeping it inflated all year around its an overkill. If money is not an issue go for Yamaha, Honda, Nissan or Suzuki (I had a Suzuki gsxr motorcycle it was awesome). If you want to save a buck go for Tohatsu, Mercury/Mariner, Johnson/Evenrude

 

[pgnyc]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Pascal,

What are your needs for having venturing on such big 430 inflatable ? Type of boating, number of passengers to start with. Forgot the trailer...

Happy Boating

Hi , Sea Rider

no needs !!!!!, just pleasure.
will be alone for most of the time , 2 kids sometimes and 2 adults + 2 kids possible.
the inside does not seem that big 9.2' x 3.3' and i like the 'All around rope grab line'

i can go to 13' but under seems really small.

maybe i find this boat small because all i did is rent 21' boat.

Pascal

 

[pgnyc]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Searider is the Guru of Iboats forum. That said, 430 Is a huge boat. Unless you plan on keeping it inflated all year around its an overkill. If money is not an issue go for Yamaha, Honda, Nissan or Suzuki (I had a Suzuki gsxr motorcycle it was awesome). If you want to save a buck go for Tohatsu, Mercury/Mariner, Johnson/Evenrude

Hi Weimed.

About the outboard, i cannot find online any of them <20HP in 2 strokes as New.

Pascal

 

[Guest]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

2stroke new is suuuupppper hard to fine most companies don't make them in usa (2stroke leak oil into the water which is not eco friendly). I purchased a 4stroke 15hp 2006 mercury yesterday. (heavy as hell 112lb) but looks promising. Tell you the truth 2stroke and run more expensive then 4stroke.
I see you live in long island queens. Hopefully you can get all setup and join us for a day of fishing. Even if you do not buy one this year, you are welcome to jump into my boat any time.

 

[pgnyc]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

2stroke new is suuuupppper hard to fine most companies don't make them in usa (2stroke leak oil into the water which is not eco friendly). I purchased a 4stroke 15hp 2006 mercury yesterday. (heavy as hell 112lb) but looks promising. Tell you the truth 2stroke and run more expensive then 4stroke.
I see you live in long island queens. Hopefully you can get all setup and join us for a day of fishing. Even if you do not buy one this year, you are welcome to jump into my boat any time.

Thanks for the invitation !

I hope to be ready for this spring ,
and i will buy everything new, i'm very bad at buying used stuff.
by the way, last year , i did camping at Floyd bennett field.

Pascal

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Two-stroke outboards below 25 hp are not sold in the U.S. at all. The accessories can be purchased anywhere and a low end boat like a Saturn can be purchased online. **Low end is not necessarily a bad thing**

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Pgnyc

Anything under 21" and used to it will look small. Assemble/disassemble/Inflating and deflating a huge 430 sib will take effort and time unless going for a heavy duty electric inflator. Still huge for 1 man work.

An excellent size option to have into consideration would be a 13" (380) perfect for a 2 or 4 strokes 20 HP engine and stated number of probable passengers. Try to have a look at both sizes physically before buying and then decide. Other nice brand alternative, check JP Marine Inflatables, have both 13" & 14" sizes.

If you have a proper space to have any of both sizes always inflated and with engine living at back transom go for a trailer.

Happy Boating

 

[Sinistre1]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

You are getting very sage advice from these guys. If you are MOSTLY by yourself.. then that's who you'd better shop for. These boats are filled with air but not light as air, lol. A 430 is a very heavy boat. I started with a 340 Mercury Quicksilver and went up by only a foot in length but all of the other dimensions changed enough that the new 1 ft bigger boat is a LOT more boat to handle. Nice when you are inflated and on the water... but not so much when you are putting it all away... BY YOURSELF. As Weimed said, we have a little "Club" thing going and it is likely to get even more Club like this season as the number of boaters grows. You are very welcome to join. If you look at the Calling All New Yorkers thread you'll see the cast of characters. There's also a few video links to whet your appetite! We are all right around the 340/365/380 size class. and that has been plenty for each of us i'd venture to guess. One of us has a 430 and it IS bigger, but not so much so that you'd feel like you made a bad choice on a 365 (my personal recommendation, or 380). In either case bring what you got/ get and join the crew!!! Lots of ideas exchanging and just a fun group of guys.



Oh, and you can pretty much forget new 2 strokes in that price range easier to hit the lottery... and you'll need just about that much cash cause people are willing to pay through the nose for the luxury.

Something reasonably and in good shape should do you. If you are looking 15-25 horses figure $800 (very lucky if in any kind of condition) to about 2=$2K for a very good/ like new 25,,,, I KNOW.. I was looking! lol

PS, if you camped at Floyd Bennet then you are already familiar with the area we boat in... We launch in Floyd Bennet!!!

 

[Sinistre1]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

You are getting very sage advice from these guys. If you are MOSTLY by yourself.. then that's who you'd better shop for. These boats are filled with air but not light as air, lol. A 430 is a very heavy boat. I started with a 340 Mercury Quicksilver and went up by only a foot in length but all of the other dimesnion changed enough that the new 1 ft bigger boat is a LOT more boat to handle. Nice when you are inflated and on the water... but not so much when you are putting it all away... BY YOURSELF. As Weimed said, we have a little "Club" thing going and it is likely to get even more Club like this season as the number of boaters grows. You are very welcome to join. If you look at the Calling All New Yorkers thread you'll see the cast of characters. There's also a few video links to whet your appetite! We are all right around the 340/365/380 size class. and that has been plenty for each of us i'd venture to guess. One of us has a 430 and it IS bigger, but not so much so that you'd feel like you made a bad choice on a 365 (my personal recommendation, or 380). In either case bring what you got/ get and join the crew!!!

 

[Sea Rider]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

To have it clear, usually 360-365-380 have same 45 diam tubes and overall + 1.70 mtr width and just varies it's lenght, add +3 Kg more between a 360 and a 380. So going for max 380 would be more than perfect to match any engine brand of your particular choice up to 20/25 HP engine. The price difference between a 360 and a 380 is minimum, but the slight larger size enjoyment is maximum...

Happy Boating

 

[pgnyc]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

To have it clear, usually 360-365-380 have same 45 diam tubes and overall + 1.70 mtr width and just varies it's lenght, add +3 Kg more between a 360 and a 380. So going for max 380 would be more than perfect to match any engine brand of your particular choice up to 20/25 HP engine. The price difference between a 360 and a 380 is minimum, but the slight larger size enjoyment is maximum...

Happy Boating

ok, i took my tape to see on the floor how big . So it is more the proportion width/length inside wgo seems strange (narrow and long).
the SD380 looks like the winner .

Now , i doing research for the other things.

Pascal

 

[ReelSlow72]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

I have a Saturn SD385 13ft Inflatable Boat that I bought a few years back. Forget how much I paid but its always done right by the family and I. Never had any issues with it and cant say it was all that expensive really. I'd highly recommend one of their other models. I personally am looking at the 13ft Pro Fishing Kayak they have on sale

 

[tazrig]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Don't forget the fire extinguisher. You don't want this:!



Especially with an inflatable.

 

[ronaldj]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Just so everybody knows. Brand new 2 stroke engines are now illegal in the lower 48 of the USA

 

[Guest]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Just so everybody knows. Brand new 2 stroke engines are now illegal in the lower 48 of the USA

is it illigal to buy and use or just to buy new? Can you please share the link with that documentation please i cannot find it.

 

[ronaldj]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

The regulation that put an end to 2 strokes in the Lower 48 and Canada was written by the EPA in 2006
Companies had until December 2012 to comply.
Starting in January 2013 it was illegal to sell a new 2 stroke engine with a mfg date after December 2012.

Some states are banning 2 stroke motors from the water ways where there is fresh water

Currently the only 2 stroke that meets emissions is made by Ecotec

 

[tazrig]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Just so everybody knows. Brand new 2 stroke engines are now illegal in the lower 48 of the USA

I think you might be a little confused on your facts. Here are just two of the brands that still make and sell in the U.S.Mercury and Evinrude

About OptiMax Outboards | Mercury Marine

250-HP V6 Engines Engines | Evinrude USA

 

[ronaldj]

Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

I think you might be a little confused on your facts. Here are just two of the brands that still make and sell in the U.S.Mercury and Evinrude

About OptiMax Outboards | Mercury Marine

250-HP V6 Engines Engines | Evinrude USA

Not confused at all.
We are talking about motors for small sibs which are typically under 20hp
The regulation is for small motors
It started with PWC and has expanded to include all 2 stroke engines 20hp and under.



EPA Guidence
Marine Spark-Ignition Engines and Vessels -- Exhaust Emission Standards
Marine Spark-Ignition Engines and Vessels -- Exhaust Emission Standards
Engine Type Model Year HC + NOxa
(g/KW-hr) COC
(g/KW-hr) Useful Life (hours/years)d Warranty Period (hours/years)d
P ≤ 4.3 kWb P > 4.3 kWb P ≤ 4.3 kWb P > 4.3 kWb
Federale Personal Watercraft & Outboard Marine Engines 1998 278
[ABT] (0.917 x (151 + 557/P0.9 + 2.44)
[ABT] - - 350 / 5 All Emission-related Components: 1 yearf
1999 253
[ABT] (0.833 x (151 + 557/P0.9 + 2.89)
[ABT] - -
2000 228
[ABT] (0.750 x (151 + 557/P0.9) + 3.33
[ABT] - -
2001 204
[ABT] (0.667 x (151 + 557/P0.9) + 3.78
[ABT] - - All Emission-related Components: 1 year
Specified Major Emission
Control Components: 200 / 3
2002 179
[ABT] (0.583 x (151 + 557/P0.9) + 4.22
[ABT] - -
2003 155
[ABT] (0.500 x (151 + 557/P0.9) + 4.67
[ABT] - -
2004 130
[ABT] (0.417 x (151 + 557/P0.9) + 5.11
[ABT] - - All Emission-related Components: 200 / 2
Specified Major Emission
Control Components: 200 / 3
2005 105
[ABT] (0.333 x (151 + 557/P0.9) + 5.56
[ABT] - -
2006-2009 81
[ABT] (0.250 x (151 + 557/P0.9) + 6.00
[ABT] - -
2010 +g 30.0
[ABT] 2.1 + 0.09 x (151 + 557/P0.9)
[ABT] 500 - 5.0 x P 300 Personal Watercraft: 350 / 5h
Outboard: 350 / 10h Personal Watercraft: 175 hours or 30 months
Outboard Engines: 175 / 5
Sterndrive / Inboard Engines Conventional Enginesg 2010 + 5.0
[ABT] 75.0
[ABT] 480 / 10i Electrical & Mechanical Components:
480/3
High-Performance Engines P ≤ kWb P > 485 kWb 350 P ≤ 485 kW: 150 / 3
P > 485 kW: 50 / 1 Electrical Components: 480 / 3
Mechanical Components: P ≤ 485 kW: 150 / 3
P > 485 kW: 50 / 1
2010 20.0 25.0
2011+ 16.0 22.0


Notes:

a The numerical emission standards for hydrocarbons (HC) must be met based on the following types of HC emissions for engines powered by the following fuels: (1) total hydrocarbon equivalent for alcohol; (2) non-methane hydrocarbon for natural gas; and (3) total hydrocarbons for other fuels.

b P stands for the maximum engine power in kilowatts.

c Manufacturers may generate or use emission credits for averaging, but not for banking or trading.

d Useful life and warranty period are expressed hours or years of operation (unless otherwise indicated), whichever comes first.

e The test procedure for federal standards uses the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) 8178 E4 5-Mode Steady-State Test Cycle.

f Also applies to model year (MY) 1997 engine families certified pursuant to 40 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 91.205.

g Not-to-exceed emission standards specified in 40 CFR 1045.107 also apply.

h A longer useful life in terms of hours must be specified for the engine family if the average service life is longer than the minimum value as described in 40 CFR 1045.103(e)(3).

i The useful life may not be shorter than: (1) 150 hours of operation; (2) the recommended overhaul interval; or (3) the engine's mechanical warranty. A longer useful life must be specified in terms of hours if the average service life is longer than the minimum value as described in 40 CFR 1045.105(e)(3).

Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Citations:

40 CFR 91.104 = Outboard and personal watercraft (PWC) exhaust emission standards (1998-2009)
40 CFR 91.105 = Outboard and PWC useful life (1998-2009)
40 CFR 91.1203 = Warranty period (1998-2009)
40 CFR 1045.103 = Outboard and PWC exhaust emission standards (2010+)
40 CFR 1045.105 = Sterndrive/Inboard exhaust emission standards
40 CFR 1045.107 = Not-to-exceed exhaust emission standards
40 CFR 1045.120 = Warranty requirements (2010+)