Ready to buy an inflatable

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Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

The 15 HO High Output mentioned, is a Inline 2-Cylinder E-TEC DI, not previous older 2 strokes technology, so perfectly applies to new regulations.

Happy Boating
 
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TOHATSU GURU

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Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Two-stroke DFI outboards are available under the following labels in the US.

Mercury

Yamaha

Evinrude

Tohatsu

Nissan

Portable is a relative term, but the Evinrude 25 is the smallest. The Evinrude 15 thing isn't designed for use on small boats and is just a detuned 25.
 

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I have a saturn 430 , it is always on a trailor and it is heavy, rated for a 40 hp, but if I had to buy again I would buy a 25 hp ,my 40 honda is way to heavey and I doubt I have ever had it opened to more then half throttle.
 

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Maybe it would be good to start a thread comparing portable inflatables vs inflatables which really require a trailer. The motors are a large factor, and they are now quite heavy since the move to 4 stroke motors. They may be great on the water but you must address how you will handle them on land.

An outboard over 15 HP is probably too heavy to handle without help. Our 15 HP 2 stroke Evinrudes and Yamaha which we have owned were about all one man wanted to try to mount on a transom at about 80 lbs, and once you break about 100 lbs, you enter non portable territory. It is one thing to be able to lift the weight, but maneuvering it to the mounted position gets darn near impossible for one man. The 18 HP Tohatsu is still in the same weight category as the 15's, but finding one is problematic. So in a nutshell, you reach the point of problems with anything over 10 HP with a 4 stroke which is what is available new.

We love our inflatables, but please understand that the tubes take a huge bite out of inside room compared to a hard hull boat. The inside dimensions are more like those of a canoe in an inflatable, but you can sit on the pontoons which effectively adds more room. They are more sea worthy than a hard hull of the same size, so the safety is a big plus. You trade room for safety when choosing the inflatable.

You can handle a larger inflatable with an air floor than a hard floor if an air floor is acceptable for your purposes. That also allows less horsepower for decent performance.

We are fortunate that we have a hard hull boat for fishing here at home and inflatables for camping trips. We planned a trip several years ago with two of our grandchildren, so we purchased a 9 1/2 ft inflatable to go with our 10 ft. We had a 9.8 and a 15 Hp available which worked out well and they caught plenty of fish. A single, larger inflatable with the 15 HP would have done the job, but it would have been too large for just my wife and I to use by ourselves on subsequent trips. It would have been too compact for four fishermen also unless we got one which would require a trailer.

When you throw in life jackets, a throwable device and other necessities plus fishing gear, you soon run out of room in an inflatable. If it is to be portable, you also have weight and horsepower factors to consider. Don't lose sight of the fact that it all has to be transported and handled on land when using it.

They use a lot of inflatables in Europe, so it would be good to check out RIBnet Forums - Powered by vBulletin on the web to get an understanding of what is used over there.

Whatever you end up with, we sure hope you enjoy it. Boating and fishing are two of our favorite things and we highly recommend those activities.
 

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I have a saturn 430 , it is always on a trailor and it is heavy, rated for a 40 hp, I doubt I have ever had it opened to more then half throttle.

Saturn and other inflatable brands likes overpowering their sibs, that 430 with a healthy 30 HP will fly. 2 strokes 40 HP are heavy engines. If you're not going to full passenger capacity as stated on transom's tech plate, it's nonsense to buy a 40 HP engine.

Happy Boating
 

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I have a saturn 430 , it is always on a trailor and it is heavy, rated for a 40 hp, but if I had to buy again I would buy a 25 hp ,my 40 honda is way to heavey and I doubt I have ever had it opened to more then half throttle.


Thanks for the imput. let me ask you. Im assuming you dont deflate yours? How long have you been leaving it as is? have you noticed any extra stress on the construction?

thanks brother!
 

ronaldj

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Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Maybe it would be good to start a thread comparing portable inflatables vs inflatables which really require a trailer. The motors are a large factor, and they are now quite heavy since the move to 4 stroke motors. They may be great on the water but you must address how you will handle them on land.

An outboard over 15 HP is probably too heavy to handle without help. Our 15 HP 2 stroke Evinrudes and Yamaha which we have owned were about all one man wanted to try to mount on a transom at about 80 lbs, and once you break about 100 lbs, you enter non portable territory. It is one thing to be able to lift the weight, but maneuvering it to the mounted position gets darn near impossible for one man. The 18 HP Tohatsu is still in the same weight category as the 15's, but finding one is problematic. So in a nutshell, you reach the point of problems with anything over 10 HP with a 4 stroke which is what is available new.

We love our inflatables, but please understand that the tubes take a huge bite out of inside room compared to a hard hull boat. The inside dimensions are more like those of a canoe in an inflatable, but you can sit on the pontoons which effectively adds more room. They are more sea worthy than a hard hull of the same size, so the safety is a big plus. You trade room for safety when choosing the inflatable.

You can handle a larger inflatable with an air floor than a hard floor if an air floor is acceptable for your purposes. That also allows less horsepower for decent performance.

We are fortunate that we have a hard hull boat for fishing here at home and inflatables for camping trips. We planned a trip several years ago with two of our grandchildren, so we purchased a 9 1/2 ft inflatable to go with our 10 ft. We had a 9.8 and a 15 Hp available which worked out well and they caught plenty of fish. A single, larger inflatable with the 15 HP would have done the job, but it would have been too large for just my wife and I to use by ourselves on subsequent trips. It would have been too compact for four fishermen also unless we got one which would require a trailer.

When you throw in life jackets, a throwable device and other necessities plus fishing gear, you soon run out of room in an inflatable. If it is to be portable, you also have weight and horsepower factors to consider. Don't lose sight of the fact that it all has to be transported and handled on land when using it.

They use a lot of inflatables in Europe, so it would be good to check out RIBnet Forums - Powered by vBulletin on the web to get an understanding of what is used over there.

Whatever you end up with, we sure hope you enjoy it. Boating and fishing are two of our favorite things and we highly recommend those activities.

I tend to agree with you.
All components should have a 100 pound limit
An inflatable that is inflated and deflated a lot is going to be around 100 pounds max 12 feet
That does not count the floor which can be put in a separate bag
An engine is also going to be around 100 pounds
That means a 4 stroke 15 is about max engine size

Anything heavier or larger is going to require a trailer
 
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I tend to agree with you.
All components should have a 100 pound limit
An inflatable that is inflated and deflated a lot is going to be around 100 pounds max 12 feet
That does not count the floor which can be put in a separate bag
An engine is also going to be around 100 pounds
That means a 4 stroke 15 is about max engine size

Anything heavier or larger is going to require a trailer

I bought a 4 stroke 15hp. Holly Crapola its heavy 114 lb. i carried it 1 flight of stairs and i was winded. I throw around 120lb barbell in the gym like a rag doll but i guess due to the unusual shape of the Ob it is causing me grief. I am currently working on an outboard dolly. I will demo it once finished
 

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Be careful, weimed, as that motor is heavy enough to throw you even on a dolly. The 25 HP 2 stroke we had weighed about the same and when a friend tried to move it on the dolly, it nearly threw him end over end. Think out your moves before you make them.

You have to hold the motor away from your body when handling it, so it is the equivalent of a heavier object while carrying it. You could do a bad thing to your back hauling it around.
 
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Be careful, weimed, as that motor is heavy enough to throw you even on a dolly. The 25 HP 2 stroke we had weighed about the same and when a friend tried to move it on the dolly, it nearly threw him end over end. Think out your moves before you make them.

You have to hold the motor away from your body when handling it, so it is the equivalent of a heavier object while carrying it. You could do a bad thing to your back hauling it around.

I regret buying it. I could have bought a 9.9 for 500 bux more and would have been brand new will much less grief
 

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I regret buying it. I could have bought a 9.9 for 500 bux more and would have been brand new will much less grief

Is it possible that you could trade the 15hp for the brand new 9.9?
 

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If both models are 4 strokes should weight the same, as probably the 9.9 is a detuned version of the 15 ? or it's a 2 stroke much lighter 9.9 engine ? Weimed, are you turning into being a engine collector or hoarder, how many engines do you have by now ? Probably will need a crane to lower engine to first floor and straight to a engine stand with wheels...

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If both models are 4 strokes should weight the same, as probably the 9.9 is a detuned version of the 15 ? or it's a 2 stroke much lighter 9.9 engine ? Weimed, are you turning into being a engine collector or hoarder, how many engines do you have by now ? Probably will need a crane to lower engine to first floor and straight to a engine stand with wheels...

Happy Boating

lol, no i have a 6hp mercury which i will probably sell once this 15 proves not to have any issues and easy to carry. I will probably put up a trade offer also. trade my 2006 15hp merc for 9.9. Only because of the weight. my 6hp weights about 80lb so i figured the 114 wouldnt be an issue. Boy was i wrong. the 9.9 weights about 87lb and the 15hp weights 114.
 
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fbpooler

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Merc lists the 9.9 at 84 lbs and Tohatsu lists the 9.8 at 81.5 lbs for the new motors. They would be much easier to handle that the 15. The 8 HP motors weigh the same as tho 9.8/9.9. Yikes.

We feel bad for you that you bought the 15, but if it can be handled okay, it will provide more power.

Handling the heavier motors does put you in mind of the straw which broke the camels back.
 

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Re: Ready to buy an inflatable

Thanks for the imput. let me ask you. Im assuming you dont deflate yours? How long have you been leaving it as is? have you noticed any extra stress on the construction?

thanks brother!
I havent noticed any wear and tear on the transom,but I would not buy another 40 hp and put it on the 430, its just overkill even though it is rated for it. Ps sorry for the late response.
 

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I havent noticed any wear and tear on the transom,but I would not buy another 40 hp and put it on the 430, its just overkill even though it is rated for it. Ps sorry for the late response.

Bought the boat in 2008 and it has stayed inflated on The trailor.
 

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ok, so after big thinking and because i will be alone for 95% of the time , i bought my boat .

the 12 ft Azzurro Mare - AM365 .

now i am thinking about the 9.8 HP tohatsu.

Pascal
 

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I just bought my 9.8 Tohatsu yesterday. NO BOAT! We should hook up but I am not wanting go clear to Long Island so ya can head out to Colorado. :joyous: Congrats on the boat.

On edit: I see boats to go sell your Azzurro as well as their Saturns. Seems they are about the same except the Azzurro is a couple of hundred more. Any reason why you would chose the Azzrro over the Saturn? I do see they have a 5 year warranty and 10 lbs heavier. I even saw where Boats to go got mixed up in their add and mentioned it was an "AM365 Saturn" Can you give me your reasons for the Azzuro over the Saturn? I may just order one myself.
 
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