Restore 1988 Bayliner Capri SKI

[eavdic10]

Re: Restore 1988 Bayliner Capri SKI

@ Burglary5%, that is exactley what I do, but its time to get to work Any time not a problem I will post lots of pictures of my progress.

 

[eavdic10]

Re: How bad is this guys?

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Chris I am in Cascade Township on the border to Lowell, been to all those places. Manistee is a great Michigan town love it there. Let me know when you get here we can work something out on boats and jetskies, eavdic10@gmail.com 1400 miles its quiet the distance

 

[eavdic10]

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ooops you are the man.... I will cover it up and I got a place where I can rent one on a weekly basis also my neighbor might have one. I picked up westmarine resin today gallon for $41.99 with hardner.

 

[eavdic10]

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Update; Today I started grinding and cleaning it up a bit without a full body cover and I can't stop itching
First I thought I will not do much just to see how it goes and then enede up doing it for 30 min. So below is the picture of cut out stringers (only the rotten spots), those I will glue down with PLin the picture below and glass them back in with the type of fiberglass below. Do you guys think this cloth is good enough to do a partial stirngers job? I am thinking to start in the bow of boat and work my way back after I get the stringers glassed in.
Also the boat is covered with , I think bottom paint it kind of chips easily and I am thinking to remove that. What is the best way to get that of the hull?

 

[jgregory01]

I dont know a lot about glassing or restoring a boat but I do know this. Stop shopping at west marine. You will be penniless and destitute.

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[jbcurt00]

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I dont know a lot about glassing or restoring a boat but I do know this. Stop shopping at west marine. You will be penniless and destitute.

Don't forget, West Marine brick&mortar stores will price match competition, even internet closeout & clearance prices if you can show them the ad. Or that's what I hear, there are none anywhere close to me so....But I know more then 1 thread had price matched at West Marine actual stores.

 

[Woodonglass]

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I'm not sure I understand what you are going to do with the PL? The Cloth is for sure NOT what you want for your stringers. Way to light duty. you need 17oz at least and a couple of layers to boot. Check the link in my signature on how you glass your stringers, deck and transom. If you are going to be fixing this boat to RENT OUT to customers you really need to do it right and what you are proposing to do, does not appear to be the right way to fix this. Like OOPS said earlier you really need to do more reading and researching here on the forum to get a boat restoration education.

 

[eavdic10]

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@ Woodonglass, PB (peanut butter consistency poly resin & cabosil (wood floor) mixed w/ 1/4" chopped mat fibers, oops thread has a recipe I think) or PL to glue them down to the hull. You'll want to make sure the stringers are spaced up off the hull @ 1/4" to prevent a hard corner of wooden stringer being directly touching the hull. Often small pieces of the pink/blue foam are cut into small spacers and placed under the stringer prior to applying either PB or PL.

 

[73Chrysler105]

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WOG is right on the cloth if you are using poly then you need to get some 1.5 oz CSM (Chopped Strand Mat) to lay down because the cloth wont go over the corners correctly when capping the stringers. Using PL or PB for bedding the stringers is fine. I haven't decided what I am going to do on that aspect I might be just router the edges of my stringers so they match the shape of the hull but then that's a lot more work than just laying in some PL so whats my time worth if it works. I am using a 20oz cloth only but I am using epoxy with my boat so the CSM is not as needed with the strength of the Epoxy and I plan on creating a rounded edge for my stringers so the sharp corners are minimized.

As far as doing a partial stringer replacement, I wouldnt do that if I were you especially since you will be dealing with other peoples lives. There is a way to splice in stringer sections but I have never seen it done with a stringer already in the boat only for those that have stringers longer than we can get plywood in like me. What you have to do is join the two sections of stringer buy overlapping them and the only way to do that is to cut and chisel away at least 6 inches from each sections end half of the thickness of each and then glue them together to make one complete stringer. It might be possible to do this in the boat but I can imagine it will be very difficult. The other reason I would replace them completely is because wood is still very porous and rot spores can travel without showing signs of rot. Therefore you may still end up with rot in sections of wood later that you thought was good. Now I may be wrong on this and if so someone else chime in.

Of course all that being said its your boat and you can do what you want with it. I just think if it was me and I want the best safety for my family and sometimes take minor chances when I am in control but when you rent out your boat you never know who is driving and as such I would be extra careful to make sure to build it the best it can be.

As far as getting the paint off I would imagine a normal paint stripper should take care of that or since it seems to like to flake off it would be short work with a DA with 180 sand paper maybe even 220, 400 or 600 since it appears to be so thin.

Good Luck seems like your making progress. Just need to get a few more supplies.

 

[iCam]

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I have never had to replace a stringer....yet, but is it ok just to replace a bad section of a single stringer? I always thought that it is the better idea to replace the stringer as a whole... for structural strength, or something like that?

 

[73Chrysler105]

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Oh one thing I forgot is that most of the guys on here are using a biaxial cloth/mat called 1708 its actually mat and cloth combined into one unit but they still use the 1.5oz csm underneath that for hard corners and initial layup. Cloth just adds more strength the csm adds strength and attachment points.

 

[jbcurt00]

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Using PL or PB for bedding the stringers is fine. I haven't decided what I am going to do on that aspect I might be just router the edges of my stringers so they match the shape of the hull but then that's a lot more work than just laying in some PL so whats my time worth if it works. I am using a 20oz cloth only but I am using epoxy with my boat so the CSM is not as needed with the strength of the Epoxy and I plan on creating a rounded edge for my stringers so the sharp corners are minimized.

I will let someone else address the splicing/repairing just a portion of the existing stringers (and ultimately the 'glass, which most, if not all of the 'strength' anyway, since my stringers are JUST 'glass u channels poly'd upside down into the hull, no wood, no foam 'stringer meat') while they are in the boat, except to say I have seen it done.

73Chrysler: I wouldn't skip the bonding the stringers to the hull step, you need to make sure they are firmly in place prior to filleting & 'glassing begins. And as long as you are spacing the stringer wood off the hull surface 1/4"+/- to prevent a hard edge of stringer wood in direct contact with the hull (<<-- this is not good, direct hull creates a hard edge that becomes a stress point that can lead to putting cracks in the hull). Routing the stringer to fit good is ok, just don't do it in lieu of a 1/4" gap.

The PL is a bit of a black sheep here:

Some would only do it that way ~ it may remain somewhat more flexible to aid w/ prevention of stress cracks along their length.

Others wouldn't do it that way on their own boats if you were to pay them to do the work & buy all the PL to be needed ~ poly or epoxy PB only. But they still gap the stringer meat off the hull & fill, tab it in w/ 'glass & resin (poly - epoxy) of their choice mixed into PB. Plus PL can bubble, esp when laid on thick (as a fillet), takes awhile to cure (doesn't like too cold or too hot temps), and once cured the bubbles are a b#tch to sand, and w/out proper prep just like epoxy & poly, & full cure, its bond can break/pull free.

That said, I am going to be using PL on parts of my project, and taking steps to allow full cure & minimize bubbling.

 

[eavdic10]

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Thanks a bunch for the suggestions

 

[Woodonglass]

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I totally understand the usage of PL for stringers. However your applicatio is confusing. How are you planning on sistering in the replacement pieces of your stringers? You do know that the old and the new must be joined together as one solid piece? YOu really need to post some better pics of the areas you plan on repairing so we can all see what it is you are actually trying to do. I am usually not in favor of doing a partial restore. Since the boat is down to the point it is I believe as others have stated that you would be better off and way ahead to gut the boat and replace everything. As others and I have mentioned you are dealing with other peoples lives and you should do all you can to ensure their safety. Now that you have documented this rebuild on iBoats, if anything happened to someone on this boat and it was proven to be cause by shoddy rebuild techniques then this would be a bad thing for you. I Highly recommend you follow the accepted practices posted here on iBoats for repairing your boat. I am not 100% certain you are doing that and the pics and descriptions you have posted so far do not present a clear precise plan of attack.

 

[eavdic10]

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@ chrysler, will paint stripper maybe ruin my gelcoat under that paint. Boat is in really good shape on the outside and I want to be carefull in removing that. If I sand it down will 600 grid be good enough to bring the shine back on that gel coat or do I need to was it after that ?

 

[eavdic10]

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@ Woodonglass. Sorry it was not well explained to what I am going to do with the stringers. I have aquired the westsystem manual in pdf http://westsystem.com/ss/assets/HowTo-Publications/Fiberglass-Boat-Repair-and-Maintenance.pdf (there it is if anyone else wants to use it ). On page 13 it discusses how to replace partial stringers how to cut the stringers etc. I have two sections, one on each stringer ( out of 4 total) that are rotten inside. about 2ft on each . I could not paste the explanation of the manual into this post would not let me. But you can access and double check on page 13. I am planning to use that manual to repair those bad parts and then glass it back into place. I understand all you discussed in your previous post, however I am here to get ideas to get to the best way of doing the project and not to get it OK'd or approved. I do appriciatte your concern but I am also well insured Ofcourse I want the boat to be safe I have two kids that are going to be on it...I guess I just did not explain well to what I was going to do and for that I apologize. let me know what you think of that proceedure in that manual. I am planning to follow that. Thank you .

 

[jbcurt00]

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@ chrysler, will paint stripper maybe ruin my gelcoat under that paint. Boat is in really good shape on the outside and I want to be carefull in removing that. If I sand it down will 600 grid be good enough to bring the shine back on that gel coat or do I need to was it after that ?

Head over here, & check how CC245 is removing the anti-fouling paint from his hull and reviving the gelcoat under it. Look around, he's done it a couple different ways. It should be on the last 2 or 3 pages.

Just a note: not to discount any advice, but I might tend to lend more weight to the advice of people w/ more then 10+ times as many posts as I do. Including this post I'm @542 (it's the # below my join date & location), and have a long term history since their join date. That includes all of my advice, except this paragraph. Theirs should be heavily favored. More then just a been there, done that thing. Some of us are experts in less then a year, 1st one to quickly to come to mind is Jasoutside. Others have been at it & are well above 10,000 posts and may have recently been named a moderator of the forum. And have been business owners of 1 type or another in the marine industry. Most of them have tons of hands on experience that is spot on in almost every way in almost every instance. If we as rookies (still in that group, myself) stop taking their advice, they stop checking in and helping us help ourselves. As a whole we are kindergarteners (LOVE PIX), and a clearer, closer pix of the subject in question, the better; and unfortunately, size matters, if you can make the pix as big as possible when someone opens it or looks at it, it's much better. The guys who've been around can & do regularly notice the slightest irregularity or area that needs to be addressed as well. Even when it's just a small area at the bottom left corner of the photo of something else. Ultimately, oops will regularly tell us "it's your boat, do it to suit you, but I'd: xyz...." Carefully consider whether his advice was functional, structural, visual or financial in nature. He's usually got all of that covered as best he can w/ the info we've given him. Yacht Dr, Bond-O, Ezmobee and the rest are all providing the best answers to the questions we ask, w/ the info they've got. If there is a real problem w/ a choice or a manner/technique someone is proceeding w/ at that boat & owners peril they will always speak up. But without laying their hands on the actual boat, they can't be sure that what they are seeing & reading about our builds is 100% accurate. If they are trying to help, let them. Their advice has always been right on target, and I have over 100 threads I kind of follow, I've read all of oops' hull thread, and many 6000+ post threads. And have yet to see or read anything that didn't make sense or follow what I was seeing/reading on any of those threads. Trust them, listen to them, and do your best to follow some of their suggestions. They are definitely looking out for us. If they give you advice that doesn't gel or fit with what you think they meant. Ask for clarification, they will get back to you. If you post the clarification question in your thread & it goes more then 2-2.5days, maybe use the PM function to give them a heads up that you asked a question in your thread. There's only like 25,000 of us on here & 360,000 posts or something ridiculous, it may take a day or two.

iBoats just notified me that you replied to WOG here while I was typing. That post is headed in the right direction, please disregard as much of the above paragraph as you deem unnecessary.

But, please check CC254's thread about the stripper.

 

[eavdic10]

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@ jbcurt00
I thank you very much for the heads up and the link I will definatley use one of his techniques because I have no Idea what to do on it ....ooops is very helpful in his posts and I really appriciatte everyones input and ideas. I will take what I can.

 

[jbcurt00]

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No problem, I too will take all the advice I can get. I need to spend some time working on mine, but am currently unable to do so. Have a good rest of the week & hit CC254 w/ Q's if you have any. And post befores & after pix here & anything you think someone later might find helpful.

We all want everybody to read all of our posts down the road when outboards are illegal & we ride in hybrid-hover-copter cars to work. And you'd be surprised how much you can pick up reading through start to finish threads that are a wealth of info. They have gotten better over the last couple years. More info, how's & whys. It will come, let it, and take what you can while you can. Spring will be upon us & a great number of iBoater's will be getting them in the water soon & be on here less & less until Oct gets here....

 

[Woodonglass]

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Post some pics of the Actual stringers that you are working on and the people on here will give you much better advice and knowledge than you will get from some Vendors manual. We have restored hundreds of boats and seen just about everything that can happen to a boat and how to repair it. We cannot see what you are working on without pics. Descriptions of the work always leave us to assumptions that always seem to be incorrect. Pics always tell the tale. If you really want definitive answers and help, post some good pics of the problem and the solutions will be forthcoming.