Savage Avalon

[Woodonglass]

Re: Savage Avalon

i'm sorry to have to tell you, but... your transom is SHOT and definitely HAS to be replace in order for your boat to be safe. Once the wood starts to rot there is NO stopping it. Since you have such a large splash well the EASIEST way will be to Take the top off. IF you don't want to do that then you CAN cut the Splashwell off, and then glass it back in an id will be hardly noticable, OR you could fabicate an inner skin and POUR a Seacast Transom. BUT NO MATTER WHAT the transom has to be replace, IF you want a SAFE BOAT. As far as your Stringers go, I would bed them usiing PL it is a construction grade Adhesive That you can buy at Lowes. Works Great. Your bet place to get your resin and Glass supplies is USComposites.com. Great Prices and Great Products. You will need a minimum of 5 Gallons of Resin and 10 yds of 1.5 oz mat. You will need 3-4 yards of 8 oz mat to tab in your transom and stringers, and then I would recommend using 1708 biaxial cloth to finish the stingers, transom, and deck. You'll need another 6 yds of it.

 

[HOOKED.UP]

Re: Savage Avalon

Hi WOODONGLASS.

DCR is in Aus, same as me.
Some of your references are not going to mean much to him.

I am hoping to take a "newbie", through the restoration he needs.

If he decides to go ahead.
His first restoration will be quite daunting , as you can well imagine.

Paul.

 

[glastronomic]

Re: Savage Avalon

Good on you anyway in trying to help this Aussie, anyway!
Well appreciated from all of us here.
Winter is coming here soon , (thank heavens, after the longest hottest summer on record here in WA), so there will be some time to do this project.

 

[HOOKED.UP]

Re: Savage Avalon

I think winter has struck us early here in Tas.

Very rainy day, even a brief "hail" storm. Near gale force winds. I am right in the south east corner of the state, we get a lot of different weather patterns here.

We have had a wet summer, which means very high humidity.

I look forward to helping with this restoration. It is basically simple. "BUT" for someone who has not done it before it can be pretty scary.

Paul.

 

[dcr42t]

Re: Savage Avalon

Thanks heaps for your help fella's. Much appreciated. Its good to know i can get plenty of help here from experienced builders!
I would love to take the challenge of doing the transom. Would be a good learning experience. Just not sure as if its really 100% needed right now. I kind of want the thing in the water now, but also dont want to rush it.
Cant understand why the transom isnt glassed over at the base from the factory.

Hooked.up, if you cant see my pics, go here http://s1200.photobucket.com/home/new2boat/index

Couple questions
-Pretty sure the cap is secured by staples last time i looked. How do i refit? And would it be glued aswell?
-When i take the cap off, will the boat need to be braced or held in shape by some sort of jig? Or can i just let it rock and roll while working on it?
-Are the cracks in the resin under the old deck anything to worry about, or should i go over these with a layer of csm?

 

[HOOKED.UP]

Re: Savage Avalon

Hi DCR.

Thanks for the photo link.
I will check it out tonight.

When you put the top back on, you have the option of using staples again if you can hire a big air stapler, or rivets or small metal threads.
I usually clamp the top all round. (takes lots of clamps) and glass the inside of the hull and cap, so your boat becomes one unit.
YES. you do need to brace your hull in some way. Just to be sure you don't develop any twist.
A couple of pieces of timber with small cleats on each end, which fit neatly over the edges of your hull, is the easiest way I have found.
Not being permanently fixed, these braces can be moved for ease of work.

Paul.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: Savage Avalon

Hi WOODONGLASS.

DCR is in Aus, same as me.
Some of your references are not going to mean much to him.

I am hoping to take a "newbie", through the restoration he needs.

Paul.

Ive been scratching my head for a few days now about this comment...

Does this mean that we shouldnt help because DCR is in Aus ?? he doesnt understand what we are saying ??

Wood Has helped and is Currently helping " newbies " across the Forums ( As are alot of us ).

Sooo...are you suggesting that you have DCR under your personal "wing" and that all of us non-Aussies just kinda stay out of this ?

Just wondering Paul because thats kinda how you came across... " Bugger off " .. And now I am very sure thats Not what DCR wanted..but posting comments like that is risking His chances for Good advice in the forum....

Rant over..

YD.

 

[mark1961]

Re: Savage Avalon

Ive been scratching my head for a few days now about this comment...

Does this mean that we shouldnt help because DCR is in Aus ?? he doesnt understand what we are saying ??

Wood Has helped and is Currently helping " newbies " across the Forums ( As are alot of us ).

Sooo...are you suggesting that you have DCR under your personal "wing" and that all of us non-Aussies just kinda stay out of this ?

Just wondering Paul because thats kinda how you came across... " Bugger off " .. And now I am very sure thats Not what DCR wanted..but posting comments like that is risking His chances for Good advice in the forum....

Rant over..

YD.

If you think about it.....it was the references Wood made to "PL" "Lowes" and "US Composites" in his reply which prompted Hook's response, probably nothing more. Unfortunately, none of these products/suppliers are available in our part of the world, im sure alternatives can be found though.

The help all you guys give on here day in day out is second to none and i'm sure its greatly appreciated.....

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: Savage Avalon

OK if that is the case then...
http://www.aafibreglass.com/aa_retail_price_list_web_20061004.pdf for Fiberglass Supplies in Australia looks to be similar to our uscomposites.com

http://buybuildingsupplies.com.au/ From what I can Tell it's kinda like our Lowe's here in the States.

Sikaflex-292 Structural marine adhesive would be a comparable substitute for PL. It is Available in AUS

If he decides to go forward with the Project, that Transom should definitely be replaced. The wood WILL continue to rot and within a few years he will WISH he would have replaced it. Why is it we never seem to have the time or money to do things right, but always have the time and money to do it OVER?

 

[HOOKED.UP]

Re: Savage Avalon

Hi Guys.

Yes, I was referring to specific product names and suppliers.

NOT, the information offered by other forum members.

Sometimes when American products are stated, I have to do a quick search, to familiarise myself with the product being discussed.
There is usually an equivalent product available in Aus, or sometimes the same product, but sold under a different brand.

Hope this clears up any confusion I may have caused.

Paul.

 

[dcr42t]

Re: Savage Avalon

Sikaflex adhesives, now im with you Woodonglass. AAfibreglass in 40mins from my place, so i can check them out aswell. Thanks for the links.
Yacht Dr, its what Mark1961 said "it was the references Wood made to "PL" "Lowes" and "US Composites". Thats all.
That is how i read it. I havent heard of these shops at all but have seen them mentioned here a lot. I dont mind where any of you are from. I am liking the advice and am thinking of pulling the hat and doing the transom now. Seeing as though "It is basically simple" haha

As long as i know which materials to use and where, ( 1.5oz, biaxial, woven etc) i should be ok.

I guess my next job is to prop it up and get the hat off. Must be 200 staples to remove and they are covered in glue from the gunwale rubber.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: Savage Avalon

Hi WOODONGLASS.

DCR is in Aus, same as me.
Some of your references are not going to mean much to him.

I am hoping to take a "newbie", through the restoration he needs.

If he decides to go ahead.
His first restoration will be quite daunting , as you can well imagine.

Paul.

I guess I just took this the wrong way .. thought that Wood was kinda getting blown off.

So now Woods good..your good and Im glad this thread is moving on .

YD.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: Savage Avalon

BTW..

I didnt see any indications of that crack " going through the hull " in your pics.

Did you find any ? because it looks good to me ( the woving roving does not seem damaged at all from your interior pics ). Your good if you cant find the repair from the inside ).

I would not grind the inside unless you have that woven cracked.

YD.

 

[dcr42t]

Re: Savage Avalon

I havent had a closer look for the crack yet. Been mostly working on getting the cap off. Which is where im stuck, for now.

I have got all the staples out, and have been able to break away the cap everywhere except for the splashwell area,
The back of the splashwell seems glued to the transom? Dont really want to go cutting too much to get it off either.
I havent removed the splashwell drain yet, what is the best way to do this? Grind it off from the outside and punch it through?

 

[HOOKED.UP]

Re: Savage Avalon

Hi DCR.
It is possible your splash well is "bogged" in with polyester putty.
Fairly common build in some boats.
I have looked at mine and I have an extruded aluminium cap on the transom, but I think the join area may have a filler of some kind. It could be the same type of material as used on your gunwale strip, or it could be the "bog" I mentioned.
Proceed with caution, but you will get the top off. I have never seen a top that would not come off. Just have to work out your own method, without creating too much damage.

Cheers.

Paul.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: Savage Avalon

You may have to remove the drain tube first. It may be holding the splashwell as well. Just take a chisel and beat out the rim an then punch it back inside the boat. That MAY be what is holding you up

 

[HOOKED.UP]

Re: Savage Avalon

Hi Wood.
As far as I can tell, the cap on this boat does not extend to the drains.
DCR, has a different set up to mine. I have 3 drains. Those nasty little 1/2 inch screw plugs.
I don't think his cap is held by the drain, that is not common practise here in Aus.
You are quite right about removal though. Just get rid of the bloody thing. Replacing the drain is only a minor part of the repairs.

Paul.

 

[mark1961]

Re: Savage Avalon

Hi Wood.
As far as I can tell, the cap on this boat does not extend to the drains.
DCR, has a different set up to mine. I have 3 drains. Those nasty little 1/2 inch screw plugs.
I don't think his cap is held by the drain, that is not common practise here in Aus.
You are quite right about removal though. Just get rid of the bloody thing. Replacing the drain is only a minor part of the repairs.

Paul.

Which drain are you referring to? I think the drain dcr and wood are talking about is the one in the splashwell, if this is the case then it would certainly need to be removed before the cap will come off.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: Savage Avalon

Well that picture sure looks like the steering cable spring is laying in the splashwell and that sure looks like a drain tube in the splash well and it sure looks like it goes all the way thru the transom to me!!!!

 

[mark1961]

Re: Savage Avalon

Btw, it is very common practice here to have a splashwell that drains!!