Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

[BatDaddy1887]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

You could also buy one of those tongue extenders (not sure of the name) that are supposed to make difficult launch sites easier. You don't travel with those, you get to the ramp and put them on.

 

[haulnazz15]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

Read reply #6... he uses 2nd gear already!

Before bothering with movin winch post... try the extra weight in the bed first to see if its going to do the job for you. But it should work just fine

I missed that even though I was looking for it, lol.

 

[boat1010]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

I guess I was wondering if other truck are spinning on the same ramp? Is it slick? I would check out some other vehicals to see what they are doing.

 

[gtochris]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

Read reply #6... he uses 2nd gear already!

Before bothering with movin winch post... try the extra weight in the bed first to see if its going to do the job for you. But it should work just fine

I'd probably use ANY gear but 2nd because of that, You can pull more steady/ slowly in 1st and I think it slipps the transmission some pulling heavy weight from a stop in 2nd..

 

[haulnazz15]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

I'd probably use ANY gear but 2nd because of that, You can pull more steady/ slowly in 1st and I think it slipps the transmission some pulling heavy weight from a stop in 2nd..

That makes no sense. If you are in second gear it will pull more slowly than first due to the gear ratio, and pulling steady has nothing to do with either gear as that has to do with throttle control and traction. Torque converter not locking up is just fine, and is actually desirable to keep the wheels from spinning by not sending 100% of the engine HP/TQ down the driveline. It doesn't hurt anything for short periods of time and is designed to work that way.

 

[90stingray]

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Yeah... I don't use 2nd. But I have a 4x4... never use it tho. Our ramps are moss covered. You can barely walk on... but truck has no issues. Like mentioned earlier, see what other guys are doing at your ramp... or if they are having troubles too.

 

[jamerson62]

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I don't know what size drop you are using on your hitch, but a simple fix for a bout $20 could be just dropping your ball down 2 inches, the lowered ball will add additional weight to the front of the trailer, worth a shot, not a promise.

 

[gtochris]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

That makes no sense. If you are in second gear it will pull more slowly than first due to the gear ratio, and pulling steady has nothing to do with either gear as that has to do with throttle control and traction. Torque converter not locking up is just fine, and is actually desirable to keep the wheels from spinning by not sending 100% of the engine HP/TQ down the driveline. It doesn't hurt anything for short periods of time and is designed to work that way.

I used the feature when we had a 2wd truck and in the snow. It helped! You might be right? but I feel it is the same as starting my manual transmission car on an uphill in 2nd gear, yes I can do it, but it really bogs down and isnt good on the clutch making me think it probably isnt great on the automatics either. I rarely need 4x4 to pull out of the water today and generally use either D or #3.

Back to the subject:
-Bottom like, how clear is this ramp?
-Does it have a drop-off? (trailer tires getting stuck)?
-Tongue weight too light and negatively affecting rear traction?
-Is this ramp just too steep?
-Are you just on sea-weeds?

Only people I ever see get 'stuck' on ramps here either have Front wheel drive, backed too far in, or have an undersized tow-vehicle.

 

[haulnazz15]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

I used the feature when we had a 2wd truck and in the snow. It helped! You might be right? but I feel it is the same as starting my manual transmission car on an uphill in 2nd gear, yes I can do it, but it really bogs down and isnt good on the clutch making me think it probably isnt great on the automatics either. I rarely need 4x4 to pull out of the water today and generally use either D or #3.

Just a side note: I'm not aware of any vehicle that uses a gear other than 1st when the auto tranny is in 3 or D. The tranny still uses first gear from a stop. Auto trannies aren't like manuals, so they don't "bog down" at all, they just accelerate slower.

 

[ezmobee]

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Just a side note: I'm not aware of any vehicle that uses a gear other than 1st when the auto tranny is in 3 or D. The tranny still uses first gear from a stop. Auto trannies aren't like manuals, so they don't "bog down" at all, they just accelerate slower.

Someones never had a japanese car.......

(In 2 it will start in 2. In 1, 3,D it will start in 1. We may not have a disagreement in which case disregard this).

 

[bigdee]

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Someones never had a japanese car.......

(In 2 it will start in 2. In 1, 3,D it will start in 1. We may not have a disagreement in which case disregard this).

Blazer 4.3 auto will not shift into 1st when selector is placed in 2nd.......and doing so will overload torque converter

 

[AZSenza]

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I know what you mean about that ramp. Its SLICK as all get out. My old 454 powered 3/4 ton 4X4 Chevy used to slip and slide backing and pulling out my 17ft 4 Winns. I agree with you about the tongue weight being too light. Moving the boat forward slightly will increase it a bit. I started carrying 4 cement bags in the back of that truck, it helped. It was a long bed so there was very little weight back there over the axles. Or you could start going to Canyon like we did! Good Luck

 

[haulnazz15]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

Someones never had a japanese car.......

(In 2 it will start in 2. In 1, 3,D it will start in 1. We may not have a disagreement in which case disregard this).

I don't think we're in disagreement. I specified 3 and D (and of course 1) as being starting in 1st, 2nd gear is 2nd gear only. I've owned two Nissan 300ZX's, (albeit 1 was manual tranny) so I'm familiar with those too, lol.

 

[jeeperman]

try decreasing your tire pressure try 5-10 lbs.

That might work really well to increase the contact patch (in crease floatation) and thus not sink on a soft ramp.
But on a hard, slippery ramp I want a narrow tire with less contact patch in order to increase the psi on the surface to gain traction.

That makes no sense. If you are in second gear it will pull more slowly than first due to the gear ratio, and pulling steady has nothing to do with either gear as that has to do with throttle control and traction. Torque converter not locking up is just fine, and is actually desirable to keep the wheels from spinning by not sending 100% of the engine HP/TQ down the driveline. It doesn't hurt anything for short periods of time and is designed to work that way.

So what kinda vehicle goes slower in 2nd gear versus 1st gear?

Read reply #6... he uses 2nd gear already!

Before bothering with movin winch post... try the extra weight in the bed first to see if its going to do the job for you. But it should work just fine

This is what to do as an experiment before you start wrenching.
Remember that as you are at an angle while on the ramp, the weight on the tongue decrease quite a bit.

 

[White90GT]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

If you have someone with you, you can have them sit in the front of the boat when you pull it out and see if that helps.

I have a lighter 17' concept, probably 3200-3500 lbs with trailer/fuel (guessing there). The trailer has very little tongue weight. My daughter could probably pick up the tongue and she's 11. I'm guessing 50 to 100 lbs tongue weight. If I'm not easy on the throttle I can spin a tire on the launch with my suburban (non posi). Just gotta be steady with the throttle and like said, use the footbrake unless its a standard shift truck you're towing with. Then maybe you can keep the emergency brake on while you're slipping the clutch out.

 

[hrdwrkingacguy]

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I found a class 5 hitch that's waaay overkill for my truck...12k/800# is over my trucks 7500# towing capacity, but it doesn't mean I would ever try to haul that much...I am going to move the boat forwards and try to get about 200# more tongue weight and I am going to flip over my drop hitch that is actually raising the trailer 2 inches to keep it level or slightly above level...I might do airbags or stiffer HD springs in the back also...

PS This truck is paid off, has a 3000 watt stereo, and next winter is getting a 6.0l with a cam swap and a 4L80E...So I don't want to just go out and buy a new truck...I love my truck...I figure if I spin with a 4.8 with some mods, i am screwed with a 6.0L

 

[Jetwash]

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Since you only have 2 inches, Id move the axle back a couple inches. Then you dont have to reset all your rollers and bunks.

The first thing I would try is add 200 pounds of sand bags and bring a push broom for the ramp. Sounds like sand it acting like ball bearings.

 

[hrdwrkingacguy]

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Hopefully the last two pictures mean I have room to move the boat forward...I hope its enough...The first pic, I am not sure I want to mess with moving the axles...That looks like it would suck, and I'm not sure what to do with the fenders...

 

[Mi duckdown]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

Do you Know what you tongue weight IS? Basics.
Looking at that trailer there a not lot of options for adjustment???

 

[fishrdan]

Re: Spinning tires at the launch, take two...

Your boat should be farther forward on the trailer since the transom is not sitting on the bunks properly, the bunks should extend a bit past the end of the boat. Over time, the hull could deform from the transom hanging off the ends of the bunks. Not a biggie as it looks like you have room to move the bow mount forward 3-6". You'll probably kill 2 birds with 1 stone, bump up the tongue weight and get the transom on the bunks.