Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

Solomon_Man

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All,
Been cleaning up my late dads old boat (new floor,epoxy,wiring,carpet,outboard,steering) and finally on the steering part.

Not being overly marine literate, I am trying to figure out the name of a couple parts in this old cable and pulley system. My motor connection and there immediate pulleys are fine but I would like to know the name and availability of the springs and the parts that are bolted to the transom. Also are these parts available new?

Mine are in working order but show signs of severe rust etc.

Also, in need of guidance of how to setup the steering cable again as the old was beyond hope. There are two cables, one on each side. Everything else is in good shape.

Thanks,
Chris
 

Texasmark

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Re: Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

Those parts are getting pretty antiquated so you might have some problems if you choose to keep it all original. Springs could come from a full service hardware store catalog and the cable is roughly 3/32" covered in plastic. Not all that much pressure on these cables so they don't have to be very big. Outboards back then weren't all that high in hp and speeds of 30 mph were considered flying. Current single cable steering is much cleaner and much more responsive and Teleflex/Morse is the place to shop. They can fit your engine with a transom mount for the cable if your engine is to early to have one in the tilt tube and everything else mounts on the steering wheel shaft.

If your attachment points are intact as you imply, that makes it a lot easier (you don't have to figure out where on the transom is the best place to mount them) and you said that the cables run down each side; that is a distinction also, as on some side console open boats, they both went down the same side.

The cables have to be able to move the engine from lock to lock, left to right, and be able to allow the engine to tilt up....no biggie, just something to check when you are working the hookup.

The drum on the steering wheel shaft has to be wound in opposite directions because as you turn the wheel, one side is picking up and the other side is letting out an equal amount. As I recall, you need to pre measure your cable to make the whole run and then enough to fill the drums with 2 turns left over on each side plus run the full length thru the engine pulleys , onto the deadman spring and fold back at least a foot. Get a ball of twine if necessary and work the length with string to figure your length.

Run one side and just double it as both sides will be equal. To fill the drum, find the center of the cable and run the cable through the hole in the drum between the two "chevs" till centered, then wind whatever you need on your respective drums and one will be wound cw the other ccw. Cable fills on both drums need to be equal in diameter (more or less) to allow for that to happen and with the engine at full lock, you ought to have a couple turns of cable left on the drum for either direction, to maintain control for the trip back to lock in the other direction.

On which cable from the drum goes where: When you turn the wheel cw, making a right turn, you want the engine front to go to the port (left) side of the boat. For that to happen the port cable must be taking in cable and the starboard giving up....just changes which drum is feeding which side.

Cables are anchored at the side of the boat forward, immediately out from the drums on the steering shaft, and at the transom corner, with a pulley at each position (4 total). Then the cables go to the front center of the engine where there is a bracket that attaches to the front of it and on that bracket are pulleys (2 more) which the cables route through then to back to the side of the transom and anchor to it via a spring on each side.

Setup: Locate the engine in the down position and centered and ensure that the wheel is centered with equal cable on each drum.
Using the cable clamps at the springs (dead man mounting) take the slack out of the cable and put the springs in tension; amount is arbitrary and you can play with this and find what you want. This tensioning helps to keep the engine steady while underway and makes steering easier.

Final test is to turn the wheel in both directions and ensure that the engine, in the down position, will move from lock to lock and when there there is still a couple of turns of cable on the drum for the giving up cable drum. Then tilt engine up and ensure that the cables allow it.

That's about it. Not rocket science. Getting the right cable length is probably the biggest problem and getting the drums wound.

Good luck.
Mark
 

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Re: Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

All of the cables and springs are available in the iboats store. Inspect the drum which is key and make sure the drum itself is not falling apart.
 

Solomon_Man

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Re: Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

Mark,
Thanks for the response!

I gave a call into Teflex and I am awaiting a call back (Holiday weekend) on possibilities.

Based on the response I get (availability, changes required,cost) I will base my decision on moving forward with the pulley and cable system or not. I would like to keep the outboard I have as its a 1950's 35HP Johnson which I have gone through ignition, carburation, etc already.

I did call a few marinas local to me in the Toledo area and a few said my challenge (retrofit wise) on upgrading to a new mechanical system may be surrounding the outboard I have but all believed it could be accomplished.

Being a engineer, I follow what you are saying on the Pulley/Cable System setup and I was the one who took the original apart as the old vinyl covered cable was cracking etc. The springs are rusty but if they may be available at a decent hardware store...that may be the answer at this point.

Keep you posted on my findings.

Again thanks for all the help,
Chris
 

Solomon_Man

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Re: Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

Bob,
I do see the springs and pulleys....Thanks so much!

I know I am being particular\pushing it :)....you would not happen to have the cable ties or clips that attach to the transom...?

I could reuse the old but if new is available....I would go that route.

Thanks,
Chris
 

Texasmark

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Re: Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

Bob,
I do see the springs and pulleys....Thanks so much!

I know I am being particular\pushing it :)....you would not happen to have the cable ties or clips that attach to the transom...?

I could reuse the old but if new is available....I would go that route.

Thanks,
Chris

www a marine supply store. Sailboats use that kind of thing all the time.
 

steelespike

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Re: Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

I don't mean to pat ourselves on the back but I will.
I've been on here 8 years, and i don't get here to boats only much.
But here's a question from the 50s Cleared up in a few posts with clear concise information
with a couple of great links thrown in.We have got to be one of the best all around boating forums
on the net. Blush,blush
 

Texasmark

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Re: Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

I don't mean to pat ourselves on the back but I will.
I've been on here 8 years, and i don't get here to boats only much.
But here's a question from the 50s Cleared up in a few posts with clear concise information
with a couple of great links thrown in.We have got to be one of the best all around boating forums
on the net. Blush,blush

Hey steel, does this mean we (participants) get an attaboy?

Okaye, I just went to the duckworks site mentioned and wala. Parts are there.

Whadda deal.

Mark
 

Solomon_Man

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Re: Steering ....1959 Lonestar Monterey....

All,
I would like to thank everyone for there help!

I did hear back from the the Teflex folks and they do have a bunch of items to convert it over. Did not figure the cost but there was some modifications that I would have to figure out before I do the changes. The price would work out.

I think I am going to stick with the Pulley system for the first year and may upgrade it next year based on use and time for me to study the changes that are necessary. I have another boat and a Meyers Canoe that I am on all the time...So probably would be a good winter project here in Northwest Ohio.

Again thanks for the help!,
Chris
 
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