strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

perna00

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I've got a four winns 20' sundowner with the 5.0 (ford) omc engine. Here is my scenario; I bought the boat which was sitting for a year. I drained the fuel tank, change the filters, premium gas with injector cleaner, checked all fluids, changed the plugs, checked the timing, and took it out to run it. It runs decently with a smooth idle and enough power to get up on plane. The only issue I'm having is a strange non-consistant knocking noise. It only seems to start around 2,5k rpm and is constant above 4.2k rpm. What's odd is that it doesn't seem to affect performance or cause the engine to stumble. It is irratic and sounds like it is coming from the rear of the engine compartment. The boat will still go 30-35 mph so I'm not thinking it is fuel related, but it might be. I tested the pressure when it was started and all fell into spec. I tried running it higher rpm's in nuetral with the muffs and couldn't hear it pop. I thought maybe lower unit or connections but I know there isn't any load on the engine in nuetral. The sound is like a matal rapping on another peice of metal; almost like a popping noise. I was thinking maybe the u-joints? Maybe some other know issue with the engine? When I changed the plugs all looked great except for one that was also a different plug so I think they couldn't get it out before when they changed them and left the one in. I noticed that one exhaust manifold was slightly hotter than the other but it doesn't nessesarily mean anything. Any advice or what I should check?
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Could be u joints or gimbal bearing, and I would think if one exhaust manifold is hotter than the other I would pull the riser and make sure there's nothing blocking it like a flapper that might be stuck in your y pipe. Pull the lower and check the u joints and the gimbal.
 

perna00

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Sounds like a good place to start. Thanks for the info.
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

What ever happened? Did you find the problem and if you let us know we like to hear results. :)
 

perna00

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

I gave it to a local boating shop to check it out for me. I haven't had much time to work on it lately. He checked it out and said it is a backfire and not an engine noise. He tested the fuel pressure out under load and it doesn't have any issues as far as fuel pressure. He thinks it is either a bad injector or a bad ignition module. He said he doesn't have the equipment to test it and I should find a more dealer specific repair shop. I don't know what to do next except take it to a larger shop with the OHC/Volvo testing products. I don't get why it is fine at idle and low load though. . . wouldn't a bad injector cause a misfire? Wouldn't the ignition module fair after higher load instead of staying consistant with the miss? Any other help before I look for another shop?
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Thinking about it more; if I was just losing spark, it wouldn't backfire would it? It would act like the key was just turned off correct? That means it is either misfiring due to timing or fuel right?
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Don't guess start with the basics and check the compression
 

perna00

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

If it was a compression issue, wouldn't the miss/misfire be consistant with the rpm's and also show at lower rpms?
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

I'm just giving you a good place to start. I've played the guessing game before and it always comes back and bites you in the *****.even a engine with a bad connecting rod bearing will run until it comes out the side of the block !
 

perna00

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

k, I'll add it to my tests to perform. I was trying to avoid it because I'll have to remove the exhaust manifolds like I had to for the plugs.
 

perna00

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Well, I got the boat back and tested the ecu. I pulled a collant temp sensor code but only because it wasn't warmed up. I warmed it up and got 11; system pass. I ran it though the running test and it finished all rpm tests and passed (code 11) as well. I took a timing light and the timing does advance with the rpm's. I think base was around 5-6 btdc and around 1,500 rpms it was around 10 btdc so it is advancing.

On another note I did notice that power steering fluid is leaking though the bellows going to the outdrive so I'll be opening it up as well.

Any other advice?
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

So they say a picture is worth a thousand words. . . hopefully this video is worth an answer! I've tested the boat another time and found that the noise will be barely heard if reved to 3,200 rpms in nuetral. I've only done it for about 15 seconds in fear of engine damage. If I'm at around 3k rpms, it sounds like it does in the video. If I push it to 4k rpms, it will sound quite a bit deeper in pitch and louder. Here is the video, please give me some ideas. The boat is running around 3,200 rpms in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fI5n0flzmc
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

No sound in the video, but after reading your other post about the cracked bellows, it wouldn't surprise me if your noise isn't from the ujoints and gimbal bearings being rusty.
 

perna00

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Don, Thanks for the info. I was thinking it was a possibility but wouldn't the noise be more constant? Also, I'm trying to understand the mechanics in it. One is a joint similiar to a drive shaft on a car connecting the engine to the outdrive correct? What is the other one for?
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Don't run your engine anymore until you replace the u-joints and replace the gimbal bearing.
 

Don S

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Pull the drive and look, the problem will be obvious.
 

airdvr1227

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

I'm hearing a definite backfire on an MPI engine.
 

perna00

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

I'll be pulling the drive in the next few days. Hopefully it is only the joints causing the sound but it sounds like a backfire, but I don't know what else to check. No computer codes and 90% parts replaced. I was thinking part of the coil or module but it doesn't fail after running for some time. I was thinking maybe to do with the universals/bearings but it definately has that metal misfire sound. Anything else I should check with the drive off?
 

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Not a mechanic by any stretch. From what I've read you have some mechanical drive issues but that backfire is there too. If it were me I'd be taking it to a pro.
 

perna00

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Re: strange knocking noise above 2,000 rpm (5.0 efi 95')

Thats the problem, there isn't anyone around here certified for OMC. I barely have a dealer I can get direct parts through.
 
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