Stringer Pushing through bottom of Boat?

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tonyg11780

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You said it BamaAlum97, no one can get it right all the time, but Tahoe makes some pretty tuff boats. I know that I have put a few of them through their paces and they just smiled and asked for more...
 

drewmitch44

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Still not too late to.........
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Its fun. You get your decision fast that way!!
 

BamaAlum97

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Still not too late to.........
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Its fun. You get your decision fast that way!!

I think that is the last thing you should do...there are plenty of better avenues to get your point accross than to picket them. As I asked earlier...other than taking too long (which would happen with most large companies), what has BPS done wrong?

If you try to embarass them with antics, then they will not be cooperative or reasonable with you in any way...It is correct to be firm and assertive...but do it in a professional matter...no one wants to deal with a yahoo standing outside in a costume holding a sign.

What would your sign say? "I have a damaged boat, why investigate? Just pay me!!!"
 

jay_merrill

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I don't know if he should be more publicly vocal about this or not but I do find a couple of things to be intersting - right after Tahoe becomes aware of these posts all of a sudden a couple of people show up pleading their case and the boat gets wisked off to the factory. Coincidence? Maybe. Then again, perhaps not.
 

Jack Daniels

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I agree, and one big issue i have is not the time aspect of it but the lack of communication. How hard is it for Tahoe to pick up the phone and call bainy and tell him whats going on. In my opinon, communication is the most important element of customer service. Which as it appears, BPS and tracker seriously lack in that department.
 

BamaAlum97

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I agree, and one big issue i have is not the time aspect of it but the lack of communication. How hard is it for Tahoe to pick up the phone and call bainy and tell him whats going on. In my opinon, communication is the most important element of customer service. Which as it appears, BPS and tracker seriously lack in that department.

I agree with you Jack Daniels...the communication should be much much better than it is...my only point is, taking too long and poor communication is not a fault that is exclusive to Tahoe. There are plenty of people trashing the company and vowing to never have anything to do with the company, and the company really hasn't done anything wrong yet.
 

BamaAlum97

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I don't know if he should be more publicly vocal about this or not but I do find a couple of things to be intersting - right after Tahoe becomes aware of these posts all of a sudden a couple of people show up pleading their case and the boat gets wisked off to the factory. Coincidence? Maybe. Then again, perhaps not.


I admit...I am a Tahoe owner. Aside from that, I just don't see why people have turned against the company so quickly.

I know a guy who once bought a Ford that turned out to be a lemon. The car never worked right from the start. No one started a mass campaign to run Ford out of business. It was a real PITA for this guy. It took almost a year, but he got a new car out of it.

I own a business...trust me, people complain for a million reasons. They have a long list of excuses why they should pay less then the next person or why they should get service for free. You only choices as a business are: Go out of business; ignore all claims; TAKE YOUR TIME to sort out the legitimate claims from the non and make it right.
 

ezmobee

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I see your point against the bashing, however, there are HUNDREDS of boat companies out there. Even if baineyg gets a new boat ,Tahoe has proven, through their slowness and complete lack of communication, that their customer service is mediocre at best. For a lot of us that's enough to turn us away from Tahoe when comparing lots of similar products. I do not think that bainyg has been even slightly a "pain in the butt" customer and the damage to his boat doesn't appear to me to be of a type that would even raise the suspecion of misuse. At the very least they should have been able to get his boat where it needs to be to be properly inspected in a much more timely fashion.
 

BamaAlum97

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I see your point against the bashing, however, there are HUNDREDS of boat companies out there. Even if baineyg gets a new boat ,Tahoe has proven, through their slowness and complete lack of communication, that their customer service is mediocre at best. For a lot of us that's enough to turn us away from Tahoe when comparing lots of similar products. I do not think that bainyg has been even slightly a "pain in the butt" customer and the damage to his boat doesn't appear to me to be of a type that would even raise the suspecion of misuse. At the very least they should have been able to get his boat where it needs to be to be properly inspected in a much more timely fashion.

I agree with you completely...the communication and overall customer service has been slow as best...That, however, is a documented problem of the boating industry as a whole. Not just Tahoe. Maybe Tahoe is worse than some other brands. But they are not selling boats at the rate they are because their product is horrible...plenty of people are satisfied with Tahoe boats.
 

jay_merrill

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I am completely aware of the games that some customers play in regard to false claims. I also understand what companies go through in this regard because I have been a senior manager in a few of them. That said, there is a mentality that is becoming more and more prevalent in American business these days, and it is very disturbing.

Many years ago, I sold cars for a major manufacturer/dealer. I sold a custom van to a very nice couple who spent a considerable amount of money on it. Immediately after the purchase of this brand new vehicle, they noticed a repetative tendency for the vehicle to pull hard to one side during braking. They reported the problem to me and I had them bring it in to be checked by our service department, who verified the problem but couldn't correct it. Not long after, the wife was very nearly in a rollover accident because she had to brake hard to avoid someone else who did something dumb. I later found out that this very problem had been known by the manufacturer for some time and they had not issued a recall on it. Instead, they talked and talked and talked about the problem instead of taking immediate action to a very serious problem.

At this same dealership, I sold a pickup truck to a woman who reported other brake problems with her new vehicle. She too brought the vehicle in for service with no definitive discovery of the nature of the problem. She was killed in the truck a couple of months later, reportedly due to a brake failure.

In the first case, the vehicle's manufacturer refused to simply replace the van or refund the purchase price. Instead, they drew the discussions out for so long that the buyers finally accepted the only offer that was made to them - to buy the next year's model at retail price, minus a steep devaluation of the previous vehicle as a used van. This couple took a huge hit financially because the deal put them "upside down" (owing more to the bank than the trade-in value) on the first van.

I'm not sure what happened on the second case because I was very quickly pushed aside in any discussions of it and I left he dealership not long after that, partially because the whole thing disgusted me. I do believe, however, that the family of the woman successfully sued both the manufacturer and the dealership.

Would Tahoe do such things? I don't know. Once again, maybe yes and maybe no. That said, since the sales organization and the manufacturer are owned by the same parent company, there simply is no independence between the two. If they both have the highest moral standards, this will eventually work out, If not, there is going to be a problem.

So, the next thing on the list is, why worry about the time factor? Because it is called "temporizing" and it is a tactic which involves hoping the problem will go away or blaming it on something/someone else. It is also a huge red flag to just about anyone that trouble is brewing. Simply put, when the people who should be reacting to something aren't, until the injured party insists on action, it is natural (and not unfair) for that injured party not to trust them. Furthermore, when someone pays $25,000 or so for a product, they don't expect to have to sit around for months, unable to use that product. We are not talking about a Wally World pool raft here but, rather, a very substantial investment.

In business, you live and die by your reputation and I would say that, thus far, Tahoe has not protected its own interests very well. I don't think this boat owner expected this problem to be dealt with overnight but he does deserve to be given a reasonable time table for resolution that is adhered to, or at least nearly so. Positive response and communication are the keys to good customer relations. Lack of communication and a "I'll get to it when I get to it" attitude result in predictable reaction, and that is what is going on here.
 

TheWoodCrafter

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Very well put Jay.

Talking about cars, I thought it was fairly well known that car manufacturers roll the dice on a lot of defects. If the law suites cost lest than a recall risk it and don't fix the problem.
I would hope boat manufacturers are too small for this attitude.(not deep enough pockets)

As for bainey I don't think we will ever hear from the mmanufacturer what caused his structural problems. But I hope they will step up and remedy the situation before the season is over.
 

jay_merrill

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As for bainey I don't think we will ever hear from the manufacturer what caused his structural problems.

I suspect that you are right and I would add that, regardless of how this problem is eventually resolved, no one outside of Tahoe will ever see the original hull again.
 

i386

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Well said Jay.
 

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I admit...I am a Tahoe owner. Aside from that, I just don't see why people have turned against the company so quickly.[unQuote]

I own a business...trust me, people complain for a million reasons. They have a long list of excuses why they should pay less then the next person or why they should get service for free. You only choices as a business are: Go out of business; ignore all claims; TAKE YOUR TIME to sort out the legitimate claims from the non and make it right.

Quickly!!!! Three months since he took the boat to BPS is quickly!!!.... I don't think so.

Tahoe and BPS have bought a lot of negative advertising from this one issue
because of there dragging there feet to honor a five year warranty in a timely manner, which BTW hasn't been resolved even yet. I just checked and there have been 11,322 Views/ Hits here at I boats. There have been numerous Views/ Hits at BoatUS. also
 

ajjacobs

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So, anyone find it interesting that on Mar 12th cbvaier sent an e-mail to tracker including the link to this thread then sometime in Mar iboats has two new forum members both covertly defending Tracker and stressing bainegy "remain patient" with Tracker and BPS?

AJ
 

wire knot

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So, anyone find it interesting that on Mar 12th cbvaier sent an e-mail to tracker including the link to this thread then sometime in Mar iboats has two new forum members both covertly defending Tracker and stressing bainegy "remain patient" with Tracker and BPS?

AJ

Three replies to this question

1. YES
2. ABSOLUTLY
3. YES
4. YES

OH NO THAT WAS 4

WK
 

tonyg11780

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LMAO...well, if that refers to me, as a new member defending Tahoe....I suggest you do some back reading. I specifically said in one post that I do not defend Tahoe. I only know what went on behind the scenes at the Pearl, MS store while I was employed there. I am no longer employed there, I went to work for Cummins. So hopefully that wasnt describing me....I just got on here because of the wealth of knowledge that some of the more experienced people dont mind sharing to others in need....

Tony
 

oops!

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not really sure "who" the posters are....but......

you can click on thier name and follow their posts......

i dont believe "tony" is a plant.......he's a boater....he was asking questions long before he saw baineys post

there was a guy on the forums a little while ago that was bragging up e tek motors....everything was e-tek this e-tek that.....i havent seen him around for a while.......

the guys on this forum are pretty sharp.....and the mods are sharper.!
thats why they deserve respect...they keep these forums clean from all kinds of stuff that we never hear about....or even suspect

im not defending taho, but read ondarvrs post......he right....its gonna take a while......the boat may not even be at taho yet.....and if it is...its gonna sit there till they have their guys look at it..(and ill bet they have a few in line)....then there has to be a report made up...then it goes up the chain till a desision is made......once it has been made internally.....then...and only then will bainey get notified......

so from the time he handed the boat to them...till all that happens...he wont know anything....it seems like a long time to us....but wheels turn slow in a bigger company.

i think tony's earlier posts were good news for bainey...an inside look at the process and the remedy
 

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Re: Stringer Pushing through bottom of Boat?

So, anyone find it interesting that on Mar 12th cbvaier sent an e-mail to tracker including the link to this thread then sometime in Mar iboats has two new forum members both covertly defending Tracker and stressing bainegy "remain patient" with Tracker and BPS?

AJ

I think one of them is feeding us a bunch of crap by trying to defend Tracker. The facts are that to this point they have done nothing constructive. There is no way that it would take an engineer six weeks to determine the cause of failure. Most likely an engineer will look at it and determine why it failed, this will take no longer than 1 hour, probably more like 10 minutes. I guarantee you that if he were to buy a new boat, they would act much faster. You don`t really know much about a company until you have a problem, and Tracker has failed IMO. Bainey has a problem and they have done nothing. If it is Bainey`s fault, then why doesn`t someone from Tracker say so. They have access to this forum just like anybody else, and have a right to state their case. In the absense of that, I take Bainey for his word. I know that I would never buy a boat from them, especially after reading this forum.

If I treated our clients in that manner, no answer after 6 weeks, I would be looking for a new job.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 

obezag

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If Tracker wasn't smart enough to start communicating better with baineyg, knowing he was posting on this site, I doubt they had the smarts to try to plant some positive feedbackers. Way too little, way too late. I have to admit Tony's post made me suspicious but after re-reading it I think he's just trying to help bainey through this.
 
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