student tracking IDs, security vs freedom

sam60

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sam60

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If you ever wonder why my home is called The Hideout, this is a good answer. There is no such thing as privacy any more, and closely following is Liberty.

I am glad I won't live to see it get much worse.

I'm with you and your ideas JB.
 

NYBo

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Hard to believe this is happening in of all places, Texas.:facepalm:

umm ok fellas. the rfid system is verrry short range. you ever seen them used in pets? the tracker is scanned on the pet to read the id rfid tag.
by the looks this will only track while they are IN school. at certain points. The rfid does not have the range to be able to track the kids if the say, goto a shop away from school, it will however let the school know they have left the school grounds.
Yep, the article is very misleading about the capabilities of the technology.
 

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it will however let the school know they have left the school grounds.

BINGO!... or somewhere they're not supposed to be on school grounds like boys in the girls locker room and vice versa, among other situations.

If a kid is behaving in school they have nothing to worry about from these badges.
 

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There are bigger issues than this. Anyone remember the school which issued laptops with software enabled to access the webcams at any time including their home? and it only came to light when a kid got disciplined by the school for something he did in his house.
 

sam60

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BINGO!... or somewhere they're not supposed to be on school grounds like boys in the girls locker room and vice versa, among other situations.

If a kid is behaving in school they have nothing to worry about from these badges.

Then teach behavior and get rid of big brother tactics. My $.02
 

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Then teach behavior and get rid of big brother tactics. My $.02

Actually, this program is a lesson in behavior.

The ones that behave won't have any problems, the ones that misbehave will be punished.

This program will make it easier to find the ones that misbehave by going where they're not supposed to go, the kids know this and will behave better on the whole and it'll be easier to keep an eye on the "trouble makers"... I like it.
 

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Actually, this program is a lesson in behavior.

The ones that behave won't have any problems, the ones that misbehave will be punished.

This program will make it easier to find the ones that misbehave by going where they're not supposed to go, the kids know this and will behave better on the whole and it'll be easier to keep an eye on the "trouble makers"... I like it.

This one could ping-pong forever. What came first, the lessons in behavior or the mis-behaviour? (no matter how it's spelled :D)

UNCLE
 

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It's unbelievable to me that there would even be a pro/con discussion concerning this technology.

Tracking and I.D chips should have a flat-out HELL, NO!!! shouted at anyone who is in favor of them, whether implanted or not.

This is how they are "sold" to the public. First, it's to "keep tabs on" the troublemaker(s)......next week, it helps to find 8-year old Sally who happens to have been kidnapped......next month, it "saves the life of" 85-year old grandma who happens to have wandered away from the assisted living facility......next year, it makes it soooo easy to pay the bill at the local Walmart.....five years later, if you want to shop at this popular store, you "have" to have one, as that's the only method of payment they accept........a decade later, it's "I'm sorry, sir, but federal law requires all medical facilities to implant an I.D/tracking chip into all newbornes".

Incremental conditioning, folks.....just because it has a seemingly benign use today, does not mean future governments and /or profit-making entities won't abuse it later. You slam the door on it when it first appears, because by the time you realize it's a bad thing, it's far too late.

"Why should it bother you to be watched, if you're doing nothing wrong?" "If I'm doing nothing wrong, why are your watching me?"

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^^^^^^^^^ Well said.....
 

Tim Frank

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It's unbelievable to me that there would even be a pro/con discussion concerning this technology.

That is often the first shot in a very weak argument.

" I can't believe anyone could disagree with...ME."

Reading the entire thread, there are some compelling arguments put forth for both sides.
Yours just makes me think of tin foil hats and the like. :eek::D
 

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I'm definitely in on the 'no way- no day', 'absolutely not buying into it' side....particularly for the reasons that appear on that media bit.
I've never heard of anything along these lines (we definitely don't have this)....but supposedly they tie school funding to the attendance levels? or something like that? Thats ridiculous....set the budget, get the taxes, fund the school and get learnin'!! ;)
The only thing we have up here that remotely strays into electronically interfacing with the students/kids....is the controversial issue of putting cell phone signal jammers in the school or classroom, which one or two teachers temporarily did.
Guess what happened?....the parents didn't like it because they couldn't contact their kids through the day and vice versa and apparently they (the parents) had never heard of or at least thought of 'contacting the front office' to get hold of their kids if it was important...go figure.
My two bits.
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The only thing we have up here that remotely strays into electronically interfacing with the students/kids....is the controversial issue of putting cell phone signal jammers in the school or classroom, which one or two teachers temporarily did.
Guess what happened?....the parents didn't like it because they couldn't contact their kids through the day and vice versa and apparently they (the parents) had never heard of or at least thought of 'contacting the front office' to get hold of their kids if it was important...go figure.
My two bits.
BP:)

Cell phones or any other device are forbidden during school hours here. But then again, so is "smoking in the boys room".

Jign - This isn't the UK and I for one would like to keep it that way........ Once this tracking starts, it can turn into a snowball effect as mentioned. No thanks.........
 

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Once this tracking starts, it can turn into a snowball effect as mentioned.

Oh yeah, this is just the tip of the iceberg. With all of the school shootings and the suicides because of bullying I can't see school security getting any laxer and only tougher... can you see school security getting any laxer? Can you blame the school systems for wanting to try to keep your child safer?

This is something the naysayers are going to have to get used to because school security is only going to get stricter... unless you enroll your child in a private school that doesn't do this kind of thing.
 

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That is often the first shot in a very weak argument.

" I can't believe anyone could disagree with...ME."

Reading the entire thread, there are some compelling arguments put forth for both sides.
Yours just makes me think of tin foil hats and the like. :eek::D
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First, Captain Frank, allow me to rebut the comment above in bold italics. You mis-interpretted my words; I will not stand in anyone's way to hold a different opinion than my own, but I will attempt to alter (what I believe to be) the error of thier ways.


Tin foils hats and the like, huh? You are in a great position for me to put forth a slightly different story, but along the same lines as my first post, if you'll hear me out (so to speak). You, being one of our neighbors to the north, should be able to understand my arguement with a bit more objectivity than, say, a fellow U.S. american.

Approximately 235 years ago, in this section of North America, a large group of farmers, ranchers, and shopkeepers, along with the Continental army, got very tired of a terrible increase in taxation by the established governmental body that was in place. When that group protested to the leader of that government, they were told (effectively), that they would do as ordered, and keep thier mouths shut. History shows us the outcome of those events.
In 1913, there was a plan put forth by the established governmental body to institute a (supposed) temporary tax in order to help pay for the World War. (WW1 as it's known today) This tax was supposed to be voluntary, and temporary, only until the end of that war. (This is the beginning of what should have been shut down as soon as it was mentioned.) It was (by today's standards), a rather paltry sum, something like 3% of one's annual income. It did not go away after that war, but continued on, growing over the decades, through another "world war", and into the next millenia, into what we here in the U.S. have today. It financed a horribly bloated governmental system, (along with the "good old boy" network that is inherent in such things), multitude of "allowances" and "deductions", numerous government "sting operations" that most think is completely illegal, and any number of things done by that same government that is arguably unconstitutional. It's called "Income Tax"......the very reason we forcibly kicked the British out of this country.

I make my judgement about the GPS trackable chips, whether they be bracelets, anklets, or implants, by looking at past deeds done by those who would reap the most "benefit", or have the most access to such technology. I, in no way, would trust those in positions of authority, any further than I could see them, even if we could flush them down the privy. (Which is where most of them belong, being the thieves and scoundrels that they are.)

So......I suggest to you that I'm not trying to say those who disagree with my position are below average intelligence, but are seeing the situation from an incorrect viewpoint. I can certainly see how one might want to "protect" little Sally, or Grandma Jane, but as I see it, the cost, (in the long term), is far too high.

Tin foil hats and the like, indeed.....

Respectfully.....Roger
 

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Luv to add some stuff, but ----We the people-----
are the voters, as smart or stupid as we may be.
 

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Luv to add some stuff, but ----We the people-----
are the voters, as smart or stupid as we may be.
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You're probably right, RBH. It's edging awfully close to getting political, and likely locked. I better get down off the soapbox.

Roger
 

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Luv to add some stuff, but ----We the people-----
are the voters, as smart or stupid as we may be.

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You're probably right, RBH. It's edging awfully close to getting political, and likely locked. I better get down off the soapbox.

Roger

It's not about politics, it's about stuff like this:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...irl-jessica-ridgeway-authorities-confirm?lite

Very sad.
 

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I am surprised, but then I am not, that no one has mentioned the Biblical aspect of this. This all is plain and simple a pre-curser to the Mark of the Beast. This prophesy could not have ever been fulfilled without the technology that we are dancing around with.
 
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