The R?surrection of the SeaGem

vegasphotoman

Lieutenant
Joined
Jul 13, 2009
Messages
1,411
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

got that Quadracrap dialed in yet? :D:D:D I go similar issues...hope to adjust the float a bit and solve it...or wait for you to fix YOUR issue and duplicate the fix....:) Happy weeknd Billy!
 

ezmobee

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 26, 2007
Messages
23,767
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

When I go to train shows I usually have a truck full. I bring in a couple box cars and what not and show her. Then I later sneak in the rest of it :p
 

HVAC Cruiser

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 12, 2009
Messages
1,254
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey EZ,
Thats how I built the boat ;) me and Johnny Cash have a lot in common ( One piece at a time) The only difference is I was sneaking the parts in LOL

Hey Vegas,

We put an auto q-jet on her just to run it on muffs. She ran like a champ. Could not get the marine one tuned she is sucking way to much air. The RPM drop was a float adjustment.
With having the auto q-jet on her I was able to perform some tests. Vacuum at WOT was off the chart , the q-jets are way too small. I am defiantly going to put a 750 on her and hope to get it down to -1 to-1.5hg

I been working my wife for a few days over the parts now. Friday I told her I was going fishing Saturday. When she woke up and I was still home she asked why I wasn't out on the water. I hung my head in sadness :( and said " the carb is messed up and could ruin the engine from running too lean, all my hard work would be down the drain" . THEN I said the worst part about it is the season is almost over not to mention I really wanted to take the kids fishing for my birthday next weekend :(:(

I have trimmed my list down some, If I get the rebuilt mod #9910 750, the performer eps manifold, a gasket set and an aeroquip fuel supply line for 494.75 shipped

The one thing I am unsure about is the aeroquip fuel line, whether or not its USCG legal.
sum-g3152_w.jpg


Summit Link to fuel line

Anybody know if I can use this???
 

BobsGlasstream

Commander
Joined
Sep 11, 2009
Messages
2,128
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey Bill,
Good luck with the sympathy trick. I just keep a slush fund that I bye the parts from and slip them in the house. :p I really hope our wifes don't start reading these threads. We will all be dead. :eek:
Take care
Bob
 

CheapboatKev

Vice Admiral
Joined
Oct 4, 2008
Messages
5,813
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey EZ,
Thats how I built the boat ;) me and Johnny Cash have a lot in common ( One piece at a time) The only difference is I was sneaking the parts in LOL

Hey Vegas,

We put an auto q-jet on her just to run it on muffs. She ran like a champ. Could not get the marine one tuned she is sucking way to much air. The RPM drop was a float adjustment.
With having the auto q-jet on her I was able to perform some tests. Vacuum at WOT was off the chart , the q-jets are way too small. I am defiantly going to put a 750 on her and hope to get it down to -1 to-1.5hg

I been working my wife for a few days over the parts now. Friday I told her I was going fishing Saturday. When she woke up and I was still home she asked why I wasn't out on the water. I hung my head in sadness :( and said " the carb is messed up and could ruin the engine from running too lean, all my hard work would be down the drain" . THEN I said the worst part about it is the season is almost over not to mention I really wanted to take the kids fishing for my birthday next weekend :(:(

I have trimmed my list down some, If I get the rebuilt mod #9910 750, the performer eps manifold, a gasket set and an aeroquip fuel supply line for 494.75 shipped

The one thing I am unsure about is the aeroquip fuel line, whether or not its USCG legal.
sum-g3152_w.jpg


Summit Link to fuel line

Anybody know if I can use this???

And I quote from boatbuilder.net


Fuel Hose: When fuel hose is used it must be either USCG Type A1, USCG Type A2, USCG Type B1 or USCG type B2. Where you use it determines what type you use.

From the fuel inlet on the engine (usually the fuel pump) to the carburetor you must use Type A1 or A2.

Each fuel vent line or fill line must be USCG Type A1 or A2 and the line from the fuel tank to the engine inlet must be type A1 or A2;

The US EPA has changed this too. Fuel hose must now meet much stricter standards for evaporative emissions. Look for hose labeled USCG Type A1-15, USCG Type A2-15, USCG Type B1-15 or USCG type B2-15. This means it meets the new EPA standard.

UNLESS:

if no more than five ounces of fuel is discharged in 2 1/2 minutes when:

(A) The hose is severed at the point where maximum drainage of fuel would occur,

(B) The boat is in its static floating position, and

(C) The fuel system is filled to the capacity market on the tank label.

Then you may use Type B1 or B2.

As a practical matter, few boat builders want to have to stock two types of hose, so most buy only Type A1 and use it everywhere. This is fine. Just be sure that you put in your owner's manual that the hose from the fuel pump to the carburetor and the vent and fill hose must be TYPE A1 or A2.

So what is the difference between A1, A2, B1, and B2? First the difference between A and B. A type hose has to pass the 2 ? minute fire test, B does not. The theory is the A is under more pressure than B, and being on the engine is exposed to more danger of fire than B. Since B is between the pump and the tank, if a leak occurs, the pressure rapidly drops to zero and the pump just sucks air, stopping the engine. Fuel doesn't get sprayed all over the place. With Type A, since it is between the fuel pump and the carburetor, it is under pressure and there is the potential that fuel will be sprayed around.

The difference between Type 1 and 2 is the permeability. All hose allows a small amount of vapor to pass out through the wall of the hose. The more permeable the hose is, the more vapor passes through. A1 and B1 pass much less than A2 and B2. About 1/3 as much. The Coast Guard Sets the standard for the amount that is allowed.

As Of 10/10/09: The US EPA has changed the permeability requirements for fuel hose. It must now allow not more than 15 grams/square meter of vapor to escape from the hose in 24 hours. This is 1/20 of what the USCG requirement was for type A2 and about 1/7 of the A1 hose. If is a very significant change. So check with your hose supplier.

You do not have to use hose! You can use metallic lines. Some manufacturers do. For example, Mercury Marine inboard engines come with steel fuel line from the fuel pump to the carburetor. Metal lines do not allow vapor to escape through the fuel line walls.

Metallic fuel Lines: If you use metallic fuel lines, the ones that run from the fuel tank to the fuel inlet on the engine must be one of the following; seamless annealed copper, nickel-copper, or copper-nickel. From the fuel pump to the carburetor they can be any metal you want to use. Beware. You could set up a galvanic couple and the tube will be eaten away like powder. Choose carefully if you use metal fuel line from the pump to the carburetor. Do not use Copper tubing.
 

HVAC Cruiser

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 12, 2009
Messages
1,254
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hi Bob,

Well I ordered the carb and manifold form my sock draw $ ( boy good thing she never puts laundry away :eek::D Maybe I should start clearing my history so she can't find these threads ;)

Hey Kev,

Thanks for all that info. I wound up ordering This steel line to go from the Edelbrock/AFB position to get me to the front of the carb. Being it is steel I figured it would be legal. I just hope that it is being it uses a banjo fitting at the carb. I figured I can cut the existing stainless steel line with brass flare fittings going to Q-Jet right now, and flare it to mate up to it with a new 3/8 npt x inverted flare fitting for the edelbrock line.

All your info now has me curious, tomorrow I am going to look and see what the rubber line from the tank to the fuel filter is. Off the fuel filter to the pump then up to the carb right now is all SS.



EDIT- Kev, you don't happen to have a good crock-pot chili recipe, my wife is looking for one. If you do, can you pm it to me on FB
 

vegasphotoman

Lieutenant
Joined
Jul 13, 2009
Messages
1,411
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Cool deal on the carb/intake Bill! should look real sharp on there....gonna hafta make a clear doghouse to show off that motor of yours! :D
 

HVAC Cruiser

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 12, 2009
Messages
1,254
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey Kev,

Guess whats for dinner tonight :D Wifey went an got the ingredients we were missing yesterday. I will be sure to post pics in the hijack zone. Thanks again

Hey Vegas,
Hope all is well with your move.

Yes, I already have the lexan for the doghouse;) LOL Just checked UPS the parts are out for delivery, they will be here today WooHoo :D.

Now for the bad news, We are expecting heavy rain & 70mph winds in the city tomorrow. I have to go to Brooklyn today and fix my MIL roof so I don't get to install it :(

Even worse, I never told my wife I ordered it and won't be here when it gets dropped on my doorstep today to hurry the boxes onto the boat before they are seen :eek: . Rut Ro, guess who is going to be in trouble :redface:

Oh boy why do I get myself into these messes?????
 

BobsGlasstream

Commander
Joined
Sep 11, 2009
Messages
2,128
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey Bill,
You need to think faster, tell her ahead of time that you have a couple packages coming that a friend asked you to order for him. It's good for a couple packages a year. :p:D
I hope you don't get into to much trouble.
Bob
 

HVAC Cruiser

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 12, 2009
Messages
1,254
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey Bill,
You need to think faster, tell her ahead of time that you have a couple packages coming that a friend asked you to order for him. It's good for a couple packages a year. :p:D
I hope you don't get into to much trouble.
Bob

Hey Bob,

I actually got home before they were delivered :) They just got here at 7:30, ironically I was out covering the boat took them from Mr. UPS and put them right in the boat UNDETECTED :D:D.

I love it when a plan comes together ;)
 

BobsGlasstream

Commander
Joined
Sep 11, 2009
Messages
2,128
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey Bill,
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. :p
Glad you got away clean this time. Be more careful.:p:D
Take care
Bob
 

HVAC Cruiser

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 12, 2009
Messages
1,254
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey Bill,
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile.
Glad you got away clean this time. Be more careful
Take care
Bob

Hey Bob,
Don't know how clean I am going to get away. She still don't know but I think I am going to have to tell her. I'll say its a birthday present from my parents ;)


God don't like me this week !!
I get my new parts in and we have a Monsoon here for the past 2 days. Yesterday which was not too bad I wound up working on a service call from 4am till 9:30 pm. If that's not bad enough, every time I go to go out today to do a little work and start changing the manifold and carb it starts pouring again .

The throttle bracket is not going to work, but I do have a bunch of 1/4" 6061-T6 aluminum, I might just mig a new one up in the basement tonight.

Even though I had bought that pretty chrome fuel supply for the carb, I don't think its going to work. Just in case I also bought a length of 3/8" steel fuel line to bend a new one if nothing else works .


Oh Kev,
Sorry I didn't post this sooner

100_2237.jpg


Your chili recipe was delicious The wife didn't make it as hot as I like it but a little crushed red pepper fixed that :)

Thanks Again

P.S. it was even better for lunch today :)
 

fstorm08

Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Aug 2, 2010
Messages
686
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey Bob,
Don't know how clean I am going to get away. She still don't know but I think I am going to have to tell her. I'll say its a birthday present from my parents ;)


God don't like me this week !!
I get my new parts in and we have a Monsoon here for the past 2 days. Yesterday which was not too bad I wound up working on a service call from 4am till 9:30 pm. If that's not bad enough, every time I go to go out today to do a little work and start changing the manifold and carb it starts pouring again .

The throttle bracket is not going to work, but I do have a bunch of 1/4" 6061-T6 aluminum, I might just mig a new one up in the basement tonight.

Even though I had bought that pretty chrome fuel supply for the carb, I don't think its going to work. Just in case I also bought a length of 3/8" steel fuel line to bend a new one if nothing else works .


Oh Kev,
Sorry I didn't post this sooner

100_2237.jpg


Your chili recipe was delicious The wife didn't make it as hot as I like it but a little crushed red pepper fixed that :)

Thanks Again

P.S. it was even better for lunch today :)

mmmmm yummyyyyy :)
 

BobsGlasstream

Commander
Joined
Sep 11, 2009
Messages
2,128
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Alright Bill,
Now ya got me hungry. I may have to take a break to go eat. :D
Bob
 

tallcanadian

Captain
Joined
Sep 7, 2006
Messages
3,250
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

That meal would be good for you too. You have your beans, meats, bread and a diet beer. Looks awesome.
 

vegasphotoman

Lieutenant
Joined
Jul 13, 2009
Messages
1,411
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Ditto on the chili.....mmmmmm.....
wonder how it would taste with some deer flesh instead of beef?
call it a reason to go hunting at the up north property eh Billy!
 

HVAC Cruiser

Lieutenant
Joined
Sep 12, 2009
Messages
1,254
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

Hey TC,

I actually had 2 dishes that size that night :D Man it was good

Hey Vegas, Yes Bambie chili is excellent I am getting ready for the season already. Went to the range last weekend to make sure I could still shoot straight LOL



OK, the long awaited mod on the boat, drum roll please...................

100_2249.jpg


Here is a video of her running, hard to tell from the video but there is a very noticeable difference in the engine. She sounds like she can finally breath. When I hit the throttle , although you can't hear it to good in the video, the decibel level was ear piercing and deafening ( and I'm 1/2 deaf to begin with). WooHoo the sound of RAW POWER!!!

Click on image to play
 

proshadetree

Lieutenant Commander
Joined
Jul 19, 2008
Messages
1,887
Re: The R?surrection of the SeaGem

It might not run the best but it sure can win a purty contest. I hope she runs 90 at 2000 rpm. looks good man.
 
Top