The religion 'o peace

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" Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast of its oppressive practices against 21st century values, Muslims are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Some of its leading apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths that are, in turn, repeated by novices and even those outside the faith."
 

Mark42

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Black (aka native American) muslims don't pose a threat. Its the imported varity that is a problem.
 

bekosh

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Pictures like this make me think that there is no hope for Islam.
The only question is how many in the west have to die before we are forced to exterminate the Islamic world.:mad:
 

OldMercsRule

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Wonderfull Corncept: Islam eh folks? If the 'civilized' world would call a spade a spade, (the Liberal MSM), n' act accordingly we could likely force moderization, as the Muslim moderates would gain strength as the Muslim facists were killed and were relentlessly punished in every way possible. Is that likely in the modern PC world, full of enemies within? Clearly: NO!

The Vietnamise Communists found the winning ticket in the 1960s, and showed all our future potential determined advisaries how to beat us using our own media. Liberals will use the protections of our own system to do their best to bring us down, and they are working effectively to that end right now. Every single Democrat Presdential candidate is in the John Edwards camps' pitch: this is not a war it is just a "bumber sticker". That is a real shocker to those of us aware of history, (FDR and Harry Truman were members of that same once great party 60 years ago).

The Islamo facists are really very dangerious as they are willing to die themselves and or train their own children to sacrifice themselves to kill innocents, (both Muslims and non-believers). With the help of most of the worlds' Liberals, and their self loathing desire to blame America for all the worlds' problems and work with our enemies to diffuse most of our natural advantages: we are in for a real struggle that will likely last generations.

I sure hope we don't eventually come to the cornclusion that we need to eliminate the majority of the world's Muslims, (as Bekosh stated), as that would be a real blood bath, (but is not that far fetched of a potential reply to the ruins of an American city or two). That may be the explanation of the worlds' Liberals' apparently irrational cornduct, (they hate most Religions, but fear Islam; so most of their public hatred is directed at Christianity). They may actually want to encourage our enemies to hit us to the point where the gloves come off and we just flat eliminate the problem at the source. After all; 1.2 Billion less people would slow global warming that Liberals are cornvinced is caused by mankind would it not?

This is a real problem, with very few good options. I sure hope the Iraqis stand up and take the bull by the horns in spite of the Liberals who want to deny them the chance. JR
 

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" I sure hope the Iraqis stand up and take the bull by the horns in spite of the Liberals who want to deny them the chance. JR "


Typical BS. How much in Iraq got accomplished prior to November? When your boy had full control of capital hill, I guess he should have taken the bull by the horns then. What was he waiting for? I know the answer, do you?

All right OMR, for the sake of arguement, let's say it's the libs fault. Here is your opportunity to explain. Please explain how to fix the war rather than simply point fingers at everyone except those responsible for screwing it up. Let's hear your solution. Remember though, "stay the course," has been worn out. How about, " a thousand points of light"...........I guess birds of a feather need stupid little rhetorical catch phrases.
 

OldMercsRule

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" I sure hope the Iraqis stand up and take the bull by the horns in spite of the Liberals who want to deny them the chance. JR "


Typical BS.

What is typical about it? That is jus' your typical reply to a post you don't agree with.

How much in Iraq got accomplished prior to November?

Great cornflicts, (which we have been engaged in since 1979 and actually got serious on or about in 2001) take quite some time and quite a bit of determination to find a prevaling and winning combination. This cornflict is just as significant, (although admitadly quite different in nature), to the struggles against Facism in the 1930s and 1940s and Communism in the last century: which took most of the century to prevail. The shallow minded political posture of yer question is similar to the Liberals' approach who profited politically on the backs of our Vietnam Vets in 1975.

When your boy had full control of capital hill, I guess he should have taken the bull by the horns then. What was he waiting for? I know the answer, do you?

Mr Bush is not "my boy", he is my, (and your), President. No, (I only have one brain cell), you are the one who claims to know all the answers, so: spit 'em out. This cornflict has been burning since 1979 and got sufficiently hot in 2001 to get our attention. The Libs were even excited for five minutes or so, (and voted to go to war when they were excited and the wind was blowin' that direction). Our advisaries have been operating as their forefathers have for 1500 years. If you are so small minded that you think we can solve these type of profound problems in a six year political cycle with many of our own working with our enemies: you are wrong. This is not a video game: CJY.

All right OMR, for the sake of arguement, let's say it's the libs fault.

Did not say it was the Libs' fault, and there is no reason to argue hypotheticals: the real world situation is dire enough. It is our very capable and determined enemies' fault we are in peril. The Libs are jus' bein' pragmatic n' helpin' 'em succeed n' providing intelligence on all our sucessfull tactics they can uncover to help them, so they can adjust, n' providing great propaganda victories that have suceeded in demoralizing the American people. That's what I said: CJY.

Here is your opportunity to explain. Please explain how to fix the war rather than simply point fingers at everyone except those responsible for screwing it up. Let's hear your solution.

Real simple: CJY!! Kill terroists n' pound all countries that help them, n' show a united, determined and VERY ruthless VERY non PC response to any enemy and stick to that strategy with pragmatic adjustments of tactics and everything we have to bring to bear until they give up or join their maker. It works every time in human history so far, and it would work in this engagement as well, IMHO. The Libs know how to defeat us in our mission as they did in 1975, and we are likely goin' down as we did then. That is not due specifically to Libs, but Abraham Lincoln had a valid observation about divded houses fallin' CJY, and the Islamo facists are much more determined then we are at the present time. The loss of a great American city will likely change that, (as the Libs would have to go underground, and those in power would loose power, if that happened).

Remember though, "stay the course," has been worn out. How about, " a thousand points of light"...........I guess birds of a feather need stupid little rhetorical catch phrases.

Stay the course is just a stupid slogan that Libs have sucessfully used to demoralize us, (the echo chamber of the MSM and Libs bloggin' repeatin' it works real well): thanks for repeating it. Our Islamo facist enemies really appreciate it: CJY. I can't change the nature of the world CJY. The Libs are way too powerfull right now and have beat us before, (in 1975), and may beat us this time too. Their spoils will be a totally defeated America that could not possibly defend itself against the most ruthless of enemies. Hope that would make ya real proud: CJY. That's my $.02, JR
 

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The Muslim extremists have a weapon we can't seem to deal with: patience.

That is what the N. Vietnamese used to beat us.

Without it we can't win.
 

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"Did not say it was the Libs' fault"


Maybe not in so many words. What did you mean when you said,

" in spite of the Liberals who want to deny them the chance. JR "



Sounds and looks like some finger pointing toward the libs to me. Again, I don't car if you want to point at the libs. I simply wonder why everything you do/say amounts to nothing more than pointing a finger. In most cases, with little or no credible sources, that is where the BS comes into play.....at least as far as I am concerned.

Let me take another approach, in what ways are the libs denying Iraq anything? W and the troops have given Iraq a chance, and the funny thing, thevery few are stepping up to take advantage of this opportunity. There in lies the problem. A few thousand insurgents and an entire country allowing them to act out w/o recourse. As badly as the US would like to see Iraq become a stable, independent, democratic society, we will never be able to make them shed any of their own blood for something they have never shown the majority wanting.

Right now, they are busy fighting amongst themselves for the power, they are not interested in sharing anything, especially with the aid of the US. The only Iraqis willing to act as though they want the aid of the US are those Iraqis dependent on the US to stay in pseudo power.
 

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The Muslim extremists have a weapon we can't seem to deal with: patience.

That is what the N. Vietnamese used to beat us.

Without it we can't win.

Spot on as usual: JB
 

OldMercsRule

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"Did not say it was the Libs' fault"


Maybe not in so many words. What did you mean when you said,

" in spite of the Liberals who want to deny them the chance. JR "

The Liberals and Democrats are invested in our defeat. They want to leave Iraq ASAP without regard to cornsequences purely for political gain. It's called power: CJY, hope ya grasp that lil' corncept. Please read my words not my mind. Liberals do not blow up innocent people; Islamo facists do. All things are not fuzzy or 'relative' to me CJY. My single brian cell does a good job of providing clarity.

Sounds and looks like some finger pointing toward the libs to me.

I find some Libs a real problem CJY, not all but most of 'em.

Again, I don't car if you want to point at the libs. I simply wonder why everything you do/say amounts to nothing more than pointing a finger. In most cases, with little or no credible sources, that is where the BS comes into play.....at least as far as I am concerned.

It does not bother me that you think I'm full of BS CJY, think what you will.

Let me take another approach, in what ways are the libs denying Iraq anything?

They want us to leave NOW. I guess that you feel our interests would be served by that? I think that would serve our enemies. As it did in 1975. Are you aware of what happened in 1975? Why would that be a good thing? We jus' disagree CJY, that's all.

W and the troups have given Iraq a chance, and the funny thing, thevery few are stepping up to take advantage of this opportunity. There in lies the problem. A few thousand insurgents and an entire country allowing them to act out w/o recourse. As badly as the US would like to see Iraq become a stable, independent, democratic society, we will never be able to make them shed any of their own blood for something they have never shown the majority wanting.

I think the Iraqis are stepping up CJY. Read JB's spot on post for a statement of YOUR PARTICULAR PROBLEM. This is not a video game or tiddly winks: CJY. The Islamo facists are very determined and have been at it for 1500 years. It will take a bit more then 5 minutes to deal with them. I guess you would have surrendered to the Germans or Japanise in 1940 after five minutes of luke warm effort without any corncern for the future? I'm jus' different then you CJY.

Right now, they are busy fighting amongst themselves for the power, they are not interested in sharing anything, especially with the aid of the US. The only Iraqis willing to act as though they want the aid of the US are those Iraqis dependent on the US to stay in pseudo power.

I guess the pentigon or the CIA should hire ya fer yer insight, n' we could then surender with honor: right CJY? The news I get differs, but I'm no expert either. I guess we shall just have to agree to disagree. JR
 

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My old buddy Charlie Marx used to say that religion is the opium of the people.
It seems that some religions are more poisonous than others.
That being said,we should never forget that the German SS had a little "Gott mit uns" (God with us) on their belts.So go figure.
 

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The Muslim extremists have a weapon we can't seem to deal with: patience.

That is what the N. Vietnamese used to beat us.

Without it we can't win.
What "weapons" they do not posses, we give them.
This war is simular to vietnam in one crucial way -- CAC comes all the way from Washington DC. It doesn't matter what goes on in-country, as long as it looks "proper" on camera. The enemy is winning the propaganda war, and it should not shock anyone at all.
 

ricksrster

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My old buddy Charlie Marx used to say that religion is the opium of the people.
It seems that some religions are more poisonous than others.
That being said,we should never forget that the German SS had a little "Gott mit uns" (God with us) on their belts.So go figure.

Karl Marx said that. You have to a least know the names of your heros.
 

CJY

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The Muslim extremists have a weapon we can't seem to deal with: patience.

That is what the N. Vietnamese used to beat us.

Without it we can't win.


Patience?? What do I have to wait for? You mean if I'm patient, Iraqi's will learn to take what they appear to have no desire for, they will learn to shed blood for something that appears to be unimportant to them, they will learn to understand the words democracy and freedom, they will want to live like America, the same America they have been told their entire lives is their enemy?

This has nothing to do with patience. It has everything to do with the wants of the Iraqi people. They are not showing overwhelming support for their freedoms. BTW, for those that do, talk is very cheap.

It takes patience to help people that want to help themselves. It takes stupidity to try to enforce your own values upon another person while your own people die in that effort. The same effort most Iraqis are not willing to die for in its support.

Freedom is merely a word to most iraqis. It has no meaning, there is no value in the word to them. If there was, we would see different results.

Let me ask you all this, what holds a greater value to you, a concept which you don't understand and is given to you by a person whom you were told your entire life is the enemy, or something you have shed your own blood to earn? Simple answer for me, and I believe it is a simple answer for most Iraqis too. Well, right now the enemy is trying to give them something they don't understand, while at the same time they will not shed blood for it. For those saying patience will cost us this war is wrong.

Patience? You are correct. I have none when it comes to waiting for the enemy to stop crossing into Iraq to kill Americans. As long as people are crossing into Iraq to fuel this fire and the Iraqi's won't fight them, we have no chance in stabilizing Iraq. He77, we can't even secure our own borders, how are we going to secure someone elses.

As long as there is at least one of each trying to gain power, Sunni, Shiite, and/or Kurd, there will be violence beyond our control.





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