Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

[Lyle29464]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Manifolds usually have the same life.

 

[riptorn]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

OK. Found that drain. Alsowas able to get to the oil pan drainplug; what a mess. Looks like poop! So if I spill some under the motor, I can spray some water down there and it drain?

LOL. No kidding. Bin there done that, let it drain for a few days. Unless you find something to flush out the oil pan.
No problem cleaning up the mess in the bilge area later.

 

[jasonbrodsky]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Do you have a swivel socket set?
You have to pull the oil plug out regardless. Once you get it out let drain for couple days. Yes through the transom drain hole with an oil bucket. Change oil filter and refill with thin oil. Run for about five min and drain again. I had to do this three times and still the oil was white on the dipstick.
I read on the net to use diesel gas and diesel oil mixed together to flush the engine out, I haven't tried this so take discretion. Maybe there is a engine flush out there. I know there is not one where I am.

I drained as much of the oil as I could. Left bucket under motor to let drain rest of week and covered motor.

Can I use a engine degreaser for anything that spills and was out through transom drain hole?

Should I put oil through sparkplug holes before starting with clean oil? I know I am going to have to go through this excersize a few more times to get all of the water oil out, right? Should it be easer to change the oil when I have cleaner oil in it? How many times do you think I will have to change oil before I see clear oil?

I was able to look all around the motor and I do not see any water leaks or oil on the motor. I am hoping the water was from the rusted out exhaust manifold. Any thoughts to look anywhere else?

 

[Pete104]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Yes it would be good to get oil in the cylinders. Plugs out, squirt oil, plugs back in a couple threads & spin it over.

A good detergent will get rid the oil in the bilge! May have to do it a couple times but it will go away.

Assuming you got the old filter off, pick up a couple cheapies a 12 count case of cheap oil & use that until you get this fiqured out. Put the manifolds back on & run it. Get it warm enough to suck out the oil.
Run it with the new manifold you got, not the suspected bad one.

 

[riptorn]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Yes it would be good to get oil in the cylinders. Plugs out, squirt oil, plugs back in a couple threads & spin it over.

A good detergent will get rid the oil in the bilge! May have to do it a couple times but it will go away.

Assuming you got the old filter off, pick up a couple cheapies a 12 count case of cheap oil & use that until you get this fiqured out. Put the manifolds back on & run it. Get it warm enough to suck out the oil.
Run it with the new manifold you got, not the suspected bad one.

You pretty well nail it Pete. Ok, after a few oil changes with the filter also and all the water res out (flush) and ready to go it would be wise to put a pint of duralub in. I used it in my last inboard and I swear by it. Purr'd like kitten.

 

[riptorn]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

I was able to look all around the motor and I do not see any water leaks or oil on the motor. I am hoping the water was from the rusted out exhaust manifold. Any thoughts to look anywhere else?

Check the oil pan for distortion from frozen water. should be alright depending how much water.

 

[jasonbrodsky]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Yes it would be good to get oil in the cylinders. Plugs out, squirt oil, plugs back in a couple threads & spin it over.

A good detergent will get rid the oil in the bilge! May have to do it a couple times but it will go away.

Assuming you got the old filter off, pick up a couple cheapies a 12 count case of cheap oil & use that until you get this fiqured out. Put the manifolds back on & run it. Get it warm enough to suck out the oil.
Run it with the new manifold you got, not the suspected bad one.

@Pete and Rip.. Like I said in a earlier post, one of the exhaust manifolds was completely rusted out.. The other looks like it has been repaired at some point.. Would it be adviseable to go ahead and purchase a new manifold for the other side as well? That way I know both are sound?

The oil pan looked fine when I was down there yesterday.. The oil plug came out with no problem; just real messy....

Duralube sounds like a great idea!

 

[riptorn]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

It's hard to say Jason, I don't know how badly it is rusted out. Any pictures?
After you get oil flushed and clean of sludge and you start it up for the first time, try to keep the RPM to a minable no higher than 800. Last thing you want to do is turn a stiff bearing. Let slowly warm up with your eyes on the gauges and motor. After, check the oil for white color.

 

[Pete104]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Describe "rusted out". Where? Where the manifold & riser meet? You can't see much other than that. But, running it with bad parts won't ever improve anything!

New manifolds & risers (preferrably) and stay out of saltwater!

 

[riptorn]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Ya, you do have point there Jason. The water could be coming in from the rusted out manifolds.

 

[jasonbrodsky]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

OK.. Back at it today.. Deceided to pull the intake manifold and valve covers to help clean up the oil water mess and to make sure everything looks good on the top end.. Better safe than stuff in the middle of a lake...

My only question to day is... HOW do I get the stinking thing off? It wont budge and I have every bolt taken out? I don't want to crack it... Any ideas or suggestions? Rip? Pete?

 

[Pete104]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Use the widest flat blade screw driver you have. At the front of the engine, set the blade between the manifold & HEAD and wack it a few times. Keep the blade parallel with manifold & head. You will hit it pretty hard. That'll get it open enough to get somthing in there to pry it up.

You said you had the ALL the bolts, I assume you pulled the distributor!

 

[jasonbrodsky]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Use the widest flat blade screw driver you have. At the front of the engine, set the blade between the manifold & HEAD and wack it a few times. Keep the blade parallel with manifold & head. You will hit it pretty hard. That'll get it open enough to get somthing in there to pry it up.

You said you had the ALL the bolts, I assume you pulled the distributor!

Your ROCK Pete.. The manifold came right off.. Now I found a few things that I may be concerned about.... I am uploading picks for you to view..

First off the valve covers were extremely clean...

However looking in the block, on both sides, right under the heads, not where the heads meat the block, but just under I found a crack or looks like a crack in the same place on both sides running parallel with the heads and stop in the middle. Please look at photos.. Is this a CRACK?

 

[Pete104]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Unfortunately, yes! Your split wide open & new manifolds ain't gonna fix it!

 

[Don S]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Like I said early on in this thread, with that much water, you have a cracked block. Your pictures now show it.

Welcome to marine engines, and what and how things go bad.

 

[jasonbrodsky]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Unfortunately, yes! Your split wide open & new manifolds ain't gonna fix it!

Can this be welded?

 

[Don S]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Can this be welded?

No..... External leaks, usually, internal. nope.

 

[jasonbrodsky]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

No..... External leaks, usually, internal. nope.

Why can't internal cracks be welded?

I have changed motors in cars lots of times. Is it easier on a boat?

Any suggestions for a decently priced long block?

 

[jasonbrodsky]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

Why can't internal cracks be welded?

I have changed motors in cars lots of times. Is it easier on a boat?

Any suggestions for a decently priced long block?

First off... All of you rock! I found a new motor.. Now to pull replace.

Does the stern drive have to be dropped before pulling motor?

 

[Bondo]

Re: Trying to pump watery oil from motor while oil is cold. Help

First off... All of you rock! I found a new motor.. Now to pull replace.

Does the stern drive have to be dropped before pulling motor?

Yes...