What effect do reeds have on compression readings?

Davidsed

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I have a mercury 9.9, serial 0C298526 long shaft. I ran the motor all of last summer. Runs great. Maybe a little temperamental when starting after being warmed up, of course that could be due to the operator. From cold, starts on the first pull. If setting for an hour to 3 hours, I never know whether to full choke or half choke, or not to choke. Pushes my 24ft pontoon boat at max 7.2 mph (Humminbird 58i1i gps) with me, my wife and daughter. Ran great last time out, this past Sunday. Once I got home, I did all my usual checks, and was checking the plugs (looked perfect, i.e., not fouled,yet not bone dry....passed the hole shot test) and checked compression. Now I know motor should be warm, throttle WOT, etc, but I got 60 psi on both cylinders. (Motor ran so well when I bought the damn thing, I never put a compression tester on it) Clymer and everything I've ever read says minimum 100 psi ( I know from my chrysler experience that the 35 hp 1962-1980 or 81 the range is 95-105). And I have read the most important thing is variance between cylinders, not the actual value. I've only messed with reed valves one time prior...a 9.9 mercury, same vintage that wouldn't idle nicely, even after carb rebuild. On that motor, I noticed the reed block was rusted to hell, corrosion everywhere, and the reeds weren't closing completely(daylight and then some when holding the reed block up to a light). Sorry for all the rambling, but my ultimate question is how much would an open or defective reed affect compression readings? I believe my compression tester to be somewhat reliable, i.e., my 1972 chrysler 35hp consistently gives me 95 on each cylinder (range is supposed to be 95-105). Used it on all of my previous outboards, and gave readings within expectations. I use the same testing procedure for all motors. Can an outboard with 60 psi on both cylinders run that well? If so, I won't complain.
 

bobkyle2

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Re: What effect do reeds have on compression readings?

Your reeds won't affect the compression.Before you get to upset i'd try another compression tester. If everything looks good and the cylinders are close in psi. It could still run smooth, you get alot of running problems caused by compression when the like one cylinder is 100psi and the other is 60, That would cause a vibration.

Not a pro, But i know alittle about 2 stroke MX bikes. Hope this helps!
 

Davidsed

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Re: What effect do reeds have on compression readings?

thanks for the reply. I don't think the tester is bad, like I said, it gives me correct (within spec) readings on all other outboards I've used it on, as well as my sister in law's toyota. I will get a "good" one. This tester did come from an ebay seller, no brand name to speak of. I'll have to try shooting some oil/gas mix into the cylinders and see if it ups the compression. I suppose the rings could be worn. I use seafoam regularly so I don't think it's carbon build up
 

Sea Rider

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Re: What effect do reeds have on compression readings?

How old is that engine to start with ? How is head gasket condition, is it already dried out, well torqued to factory specs ? Most of the time working out these issues does miracles to 2 strokes engines. Try another gauge and pull rope at least 4 pulls per cylinder for gauge to read well with fully opened throttle after warming engine for some minutes.

About puting engine back into operation. When my 2 strokes engines cools down 1-3 hours. Just place throttle grip to match start position marks, pull rope 1 or max 2 pulls, if doesn't start, pull choke all the way out and pull again, starts inmediately, once started pull choque fully in while maintaining grip at start position for some time to warm engine, once sufficiently warmed up place grip back to idle position.

Happy Boating
 

redjmp

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Re: What effect do reeds have on compression readings?

If you tester has a brass extension tube on it, remove it!
It has extra volume that gets added to your combustion chamber cc's to lower the compression...
 

Jlawsen

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Re: What effect do reeds have on compression readings?

For best results, the compression tests should done with the throttle at the wide open positon and the engine warm. The reeds will not affect compression unless they are welded shut ( can't really happen). Having the throttle at the WO position ensures that the cylinders are getting all the air they can. Bad or broken reeds will effect crankcase pressure and when there is a problen you can usually see a mist or even spitting of fuel out the carb throat. If you don't have that then your reeds are probably fine.
 

CoffeeHound

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Re: What effect do reeds have on compression readings?

If you tester has a brass extension tube on it, remove it!
It has extra volume that gets added to your combustion chamber cc's to lower the compression...

Just add a squirt of oil to the cylinders . Crank it over a couple pulls ,, now take your readings ( may take a couple pulls ) and see what you get .
 

JB

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Re: What effect do reeds have on compression readings?

JB,

A matter to try out testing with full open throttle or closed position, that's what some engine brands service manuals states for compression testing...

Happy Boating

Just try it, then argue.
 
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