Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

golf101

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I took my boat in for service this weekend to a dealer that carries Yamahas. I looked at the AR230 and was impressed by its set-up, but was most impressed by its price. In fact, the price is so low for a brand new boat that it got me wondering why I don't see more Yamahas or other jet boats out there. (I see some, but, for the price, I'm surprised there aren't more). I assume there are good reasons why people are in general paying more for inboards or IOs, but I don't know what they are. Bigger wake? Why not by a jet boat?
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

for one thing, suck up a drifting plastic bag and you have a $6,000 problem.
 

ezmobee

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

I believe you lose a lot of horsepower to the jet pump. They aren't terribly efficient.
 

indy440

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

yes, they are not efficient, will burn more fuel and go slower than a comparably powered prop-driven boat. I'm not sure thats the only reason people dont buy them though...

I used to have a 96 sea-rayder 14ft jetboat with a mercury 90hp 2-stroke in it. It was incredibly fun. Top speed was in the mid-30s...

The handling was unbelievably good, wide-open full speed 360s all day long...
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

Jet boats definitely have their place.

You mention the good price. Base MSRP from the Yamaha website is a little over $40k for the AR230 HO. To me that isn't too far of from I/O boats in the same size range. I'd be curious to know if the boat you saw and the price you saw was at MSRP. It could be that you saw a price based on the market conditions in your area and it could also be that it was an old inventory boat that the dealer was trying to get rid of.

Other than the efficiency point and the platic bag point made above, jets have a harder time holding a good course with a wakeboarder/skier in tow. A stream of water is what directs the boat. They do not have a significant rudder like a straight or v-drive inboard or a sterndrive acting like a rudder on an I/O. That isn't to say they can't be effective as tow boats. They just have to overcome that one shortcoming.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

Jet boats definitely have their place.

You mention the good price. Base MSRP from the Yamaha website is a little over $40k for the AR230 HO. To me that isn't too far of from I/O boats in the same size range. I'd be curious to know if the boat you saw and the price you saw was at MSRP. It could be that you saw a price based on the market conditions in your area and it could also be that it was an old inventory boat that the dealer was trying to get rid of.

Other than the efficiency point and the platic bag point made above, jets have a harder time holding a good course with a wakeboarder/skier in tow. A stream of water is what directs the boat. They do not have a significant rudder like a straight or v-drive inboard or a sterndrive acting like a rudder on an I/O. That isn't to say they can't be effective as tow boats. They just have to overcome that one shortcoming.

Right on!!!

Also more difficult to dock in rough water and in the case of lost power....NO STEERING :eek:
 
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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

I was wondering the same thing about the yamaha boats. I hear the same typical concerns from people regarding jet boats but they are not from owners of Yamaha boats. The owners seem to be happy to very happy with their jet boat (particularly with yamahas version). The conserns raised seem to from past jet boats when some of these issues had not been worked out. I've driven a couple of yamahas and they were extremely responsive, very little time out of the hole, they seem to have a ton of power and speed. The steering at low speeds was not much different than a prop boat, the hull on the yamaha's 210 and 230 are much more V shaped than other models so they tend to take on waves with no problem, yamaha has placed two holes in the back of the boat from which you can clear any debris that has been sucked up. These Yamaha boats are loaded with extras as well. So for the price, it seems like a good deal. Additionally, the 2009 just won Boat Mag's. Boat of the Year.

I would like to hear if there are Yamaha boat owners that hated, or even disliked, their boats and then give the reason why.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

The likelyhood of sucking up a plastic bag is slim with the screens that these have on the intake, but you do have a much higher price, and the other pitfalls mentioned. I had a 10 footer with a snowmobile engine back in the 70's. It was a blast. Used a lot of fuel though, and no control at low speeds. The current would push me around at the dock.
 

golf101

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

Jet boats definitely have their place.

You mention the good price. Base MSRP from the Yamaha website is a little over $40k for the AR230 HO. To me that isn't too far of from I/O boats in the same size range. I'd be curious to know if the boat you saw and the price you saw was at MSRP. It could be that you saw a price based on the market conditions in your area and it could also be that it was an old inventory boat that the dealer was trying to get rid of.

The one I was looking at was $34,000 for a new 2009.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

$34k seems fair to me. Was that MSRP or what the dealer was trying to get? It obviously depends on how the boat was optioned. Assuming a base model with minimal options that would have an MSRP around $40k they were selling at 15% below MSRP. That seems pretty typical in this market.

As a simple comparison I just looked up the price of a Glastron GLS 235. With a 5.0 liter Volvo Penta and trailer the MSRP is $43k I would guess the Glastron and Yamaha would perform similarly enough in most tasks that this is a fair comparison. The Yamaha may have a little better hole shot and a little better top end.

As I said before, I think jet boats have their place. I do think that they do have some shortcomings that other boats don't. However, the advantages may outweigh those shortcoming for many people's needs/wants.

added note: The Glastron does not include a tower like the Yamaha. To add one would cost about $3600. So the deal on the Yamaha does start to sound pretty good if that is the type of boat you are looking for.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

There are a lot of these boats on the lake we boat on. Seems like 1 in 4 boats is a Yamaha. I came very close to buying one, but found something I liked a little better. Also, if you go to yamahajetboaters.com, you will find a lot of happy people over there. There is a member over there that patented a set of fins that go on the nozzles that help with slow speed steering and stability while towing a tube or ski/wakeboarder.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

Yeah today's are better You don't need a high compression big block to break 50 mph but they still suck.

Lousy mileage, horrible around the dock...

I've had my fun with them and I'll pass.

Nothing beats a prop.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

As I struggled to pull up to a dock yesterday with my I/O, I couldn't help but think what must this be like with a jet. That is why I stay away from them but only based on what I read here but they do look fun. I say go and try one out.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

I have only driven a few jet boats, both were Yamaha powered. The first thing I noticed was that lack of directional control at low speeds, then the fact that they are a bit hard on fuel.
They make a good play boat, but not much more.
The jet drive does let them run in places where other boats can't go, but doing so may also mean sucking up debris into the jet drive.
It was my experience that it was more of a toy than an everyday boat.
 

skysurfer2010

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

I think some opinions on here are slightly leaning towards biased, but that's ok everyone has their opinions. I guess my opinion is just as biased, but in favor for Yam Jetboats.

Yamaha jetboats have come a very long ways since they first came out in the mid 90s. Not only has their size increased significantly, but their hardware and fit and finish have become high quality, they are using highly advanced and efficient EFI 4 stroke engines (no more 2 strokes), and in my opinion the reliability is above average when compared to other similarly sized boats.

The handling can be deemed as quirky when compared to conventional boats. Just like a pwc (personal watercraft aka jet ski) you can't steer unless you're under power. They require thrust in order to move. If you let off the throttle then you have no thrust to turn. It's a rather simple concept... if you want to turn, keep the power in! If you're idling forward you still have the same amount of turning thrust as compared to a conventional boat idling in forward.

"Cobra steering" came out with two sets of twin tabs that look like small rudders and attach to the steering nozzles on the jet boats. They act like a conventional rudder and completely eliminate the issues with low throttle steering. They're pretty much a crutch for those that don't wish to learn the handling of their particular boat and aren't needed, but they can assist you especially in docking situations.

Fuel consumption on the newer models really isn't an issue. If you're comparing the HO models (the high output.. aka 160hp x 2) then yes they can be a bit of a pig but not much more than your comparable conventional boat. Compare the smaller non HO models (110hp x 2) fuel consumption and I wouldn't be surprised to see them more fuel efficient than a comparable conventional boat. I believe the AR230 non HO model has 280hp so it should be right around the same ballpark as a similarly equipped I/O.

The newer AR, SX, and SR models Yamaha puts out have very deep V hulls which give an amazingly smooth ride.

Pros:
Very fast to plane (very little bow rise)
Very fast to accelerate
Higher top end speeds than similarly comparable boats
Very little draft allowing you to operate in shallower waters
Two engines increase safety margin for getting back to shore
No exposed prop
Much more maneuverable
Fewer moving parts in the driveline (no transmission)

Cons:
Debri can be sucked into intakes (simple to get out)
Very little wake which makes them not the best for wakeboarding
Unique handling when docking in stock form
No off throttle steering in stock form

I've owned several pwc over the years and am very comfortable working on them and am very familiar with how a jet pump operates/ handles. Yamaha has proven to be top notch as far as reliability. The new 4 stroke engines are highly efficient and well proven in the industry. I just recently purchased my first boat (18.5' Monterey BR) and if I could have afforded one of the newer Yam jetboats I definitely would have purchased one.

I guess I'm a bit biased, too! :)
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

There is a catamaran hulled ferry between Muskegon MI and Milwaukee WI that uses jet propulsion. I've always wanted to go for a ride across on it but it would cost about $250 one way. :rolleyes:


Lake Express Specifications
Overall Length 192 feet (59 m)
Overall Width 57 feet (17 m)
Hull Depth 8 feet (2 m)
Number of Passengers 248
Number of Vehicles 46 passenger vehicles / 12 motorcycles
Weight 148 Tons
Main Engines 4 Diesel Engines
Horsepower 12,000 HP :eek:
Water Jets 4 Kamewa
Speed 40 Miles Per Hour/34 Knots

800px-Lake_express.jpg

(From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Express)
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

they are using highly advanced and efficient EFI 4 stroke engines

How do you define "efficiency' ????
Fuel consumption on the newer models really isn't an issue.

Guess that depends on what you consider to be an issue.

They get just over 3 MPG at most economical cruise, and top out at just over 50 MPH. My 22' Crownline with a 425 HO (425 HP) gets almost 4 MPG at cruise and tops out almost 20 MPH faster.

Boattest.com has test data on both the normal version and the HO version of the Yamaha.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

geez 45, you're nitpicking, don't you think?
 

skysurfer2010

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

How do you define "efficiency' ????


Guess that depends on what you consider to be an issue.

They get just over 3 MPG at most economical cruise, and top out at just over 50 MPH. My 22' Crownline with a 425 HO (425 HP) gets almost 4 MPG at cruise and tops out almost 20 MPH faster.

Boattest.com has test data on both the normal version and the HO version of the Yamaha.

I'm not a member on boat test, but I did notice that they tested the SX210 with 220hp. TWO engines combined with a cruise speed of 27mph and 4.2mpg and coupled to a jet pump. I'd say that's a pretty efficient engine. I'm not arguing that a prop isn't more efficient than a jet pump with the same engine. I am stating that the Yam MR1 engine is an efficient engine for it's purpose and for it's intended use.
 

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Re: Why Aren't There More Jet Boats Out There?

Just like a pwc (personal watercraft aka jet ski) you can't steer unless you're under power.

Ayuh,.... Exactly,.... The Topic is Glorified Jet-Skis,.... Not Jet-Boats....
 
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